Talk:Mr. Bumble

Requested move 14 August 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Mr. Bumble. The dot may or may not be needed, but it's already used in the article and its sources. No such user (talk) 15:00, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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Bumble (Oliver Twist) → Mr Bumble – WP:Natural disambiguation. A hatnote should suffice to deal with the character in Mr. Bug Goes to Town, which seems like a much less notable subject. Also, the other topic is an American character. American subjects tend have a dot after the "Mr" that is not proposed to be included here. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:13, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

question - BarrelProof, Is there a reason the request doesn't go to Mr. Bumble (including the period)? -- Netoholic @ 11:20, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Per MOS:TIES, I believe the article should use British English, which typically does not include a full stop after "Mr". Note that the body of the article already has many, many examples of "Mr" and "Mrs" that are not followed by a full stop. If it were an American subject, the full stop should be included. (The last two sentences of my proposal rationale were about that issue, but I guess I should have explained that more explicitly.) —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:20, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

@BarrelProof and Necrothesp: Doesn't the work itself use the full stops, as well as every single non-primary reference used in this article? -- Netoholic @ 18:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Please note that Mr Bumble already redirects to Bumble (Oliver Twist). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. This could have been done boldly, methinks. czar 23:33, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nom. British English does not generally use the full stop. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:27, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
• Move to Mr. Bumble per the work itself which uses the full stop, as does every single non-primary reference used in this article. -- Netoholic @ 18:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
  • "Mr." is OK for me with a dot too – thanks for checking that – I'm surprised by it. In any case, I believe both forms are acceptable in British English. I'm not entirely sure whether we should just use Wikipedia's own styling for this typographical difference or not, but note that it could affect other related topics – e.g., Mr Sowerberry, Mr Brownlow, the body of the Oliver Twist article, and perhaps other related articles such as David Copperfield, Mr Dick, The Pickwick Papers, Mrs Bardell (Pickwick Papers) and Charles Dickens, just to name a few. We seem to have a widespread lack of dots in related articles on Wikipedia. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 19:47, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
    • The work itself uses it. Because that was the style at the time. However, it is not now. It's actually a pointless addition and makes no sense, as it doesn't indicate the abbreviation of anything (it should actually be "M'r" if we're being pedantic!). Why anyone ever used or uses it is beyond me. But unfortunately they did and do. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:31, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

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