Talk:Monster Max

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 18:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that a Game Boy-released isometric action-adventure game was called by critics the closest in quality to and even greater than The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening? Source: GB Action review: "I for one hope everybody believes me when I say this is lengths ahead of the Zelda phenomenon."
  Banzzai review: "In direct line, we find Zelda: The Awakening which has now moved into second position in my personal ranking."
  Super Play review in this issue
  Keith of Super Gamer: "It's second only to Link's Awakening as the best Game Boy game ever".
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/It's OK to Be Angry About Capitalism
  • Comment: Banzzai article is French. Sorry :/

5x expanded by HumanxAnthro (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 24 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Monster Max; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• General eligibility:
• New enough: - n
• Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - Concision preferred.

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Great work expanding the article. Sourced, neutral, and free of plagiarism. A couple of issues. First, is there a reason for the unusual notes section in this article? It seems like they could just as well have been cited as a normal reference rather than note. Second, while this article has been greatly expanded, it is about 200 words short of being expanded by 5 times. I think it would also be clearer and more concise to refer to the game by name in the ALT, rather than by euphemism. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 02:33, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24, thanks for the comments! The reason I was not explicit with the name was that I assumed readers would be way more interested in the being-compared-to-Zelda part. 200 words? Wow, that's close. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 20:38, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Got it. Well, referring to the game euphemistically gives greater attention to Link's Awakening than this game. After all, Monster Max is the star of this DYK. ;) As for the expansion being short by ca. 200 words, I don't think it would be tough to pad this article just a little more in order to reach the threshold. It's not a big deal to me personally, but I don't want this DYK nom to be derailed by another editor on a technicality. Again, great work here overall. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

CurryTime7-24 Honestly, I think this article is as complete as it could be, so you can cancel this nomination. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 14:43, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

I meant "200 characters". I'm very sorry about my mix-up of words. You've added enough since you submitted this DYK to meet the threshold. So all I'm waiting for now is for you to improve the ALT. I'm ready to review and approve once you're set! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:04, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh, well in that case, let me submit a new ALT.

ALT1 ... that some critics considered Monster Max to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening over any other Game Boy game, some even greater than?User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 18:28, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24: status report? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 20:58, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I got this confused with another DYK nom which had been settled. ALT1 is better, but not ideal. It could use a little trimming and rewriting. I have an ALT in mind, but I think that would mean that I'd be disqualified as a reviewer for this... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

@CurryTime7-24 and HumanxAnthro: I've just stumbled into this review: let me try to propose a new ALT hook, so we can overcome the stall! Oltrepier (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Can this be suitable?

ALT2 ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be at least as good as The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening? Oltrepier (talk) 13:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry, but this nomination is still going on? What was wrong with the other one again? There is an absolute difference in significance between calling something as good as something else, and calling something the closest in quality to or even better than. What is not concise about the other one? User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 13:46, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@HumanxAnthro: I thought it would be a synonym, to be honest: that's why I included the term "at least" in my hook... Oltrepier (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Actually... The Zelda game is already considered a classic so.... sure. That ALT is fine, too. Sorry. User:HumanxAnthro (BanjoxKazooie) 15:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

No worries at all! Oltrepier (talk) 16:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

• New reviewer needed to review hooks and decide whether this nom is ready. Thank you! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:11, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

• article and hooks meet DYK requirements. Below are the suggested hooks.

ALT0: * ... that a Game Boy-released isometric action-adventure game was called by critics the closest in quality to and even greater than The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?

ALT1 ... that some critics considered Monster Max to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening over any other Game Boy game, some even greater than?

ALT2 ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be at least as good as The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?

ALT2 is the simplest and most interesting, while being referenced and included in the article (not verbatim). Ready to go FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

I think we have to go with the language in the article "to be the closest in quality to" so I am tweaking ALT2 to reflect.

ALT2a ... that Game Boy-released game Monster Max was considered by critics to be the closest in quality to The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening?

Article has been waiting for just shy of three months so promoting now. Bruxton (talk) 18:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Monster Max/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cukie Gherkin (talk · contribs) 00:55, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

   b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a. (reference section):

   b. (citations to reliable sources):

   c. (OR):

   d. (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a. (major aspects):

   b. (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

   b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)

Lead

1. Looks good!

Gameplay

1. "The rooms consist of blocks that can be re-positioned, and are varied in design, featuring objects concealing other objects and surfaces, televisions, platforms that disappear when landed on, clocks, flashing lights, remote-controlled robots, spikes, conveyor belts, and floorings dominated with electricity that can be turned on and off." - This sentence feels a bit messy. Might be good to just list a few examples; for instance, when I look at 'televisions', I have no idea why that's important to mention. You could also just say "The rooms consist of blocks that can be re-positioned and are varied in design, as well as various obstacles." Of course, tweak as necessary, as that's just my assessment of what's being communicated by that sentence.

I tweaked the sentence... Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:57, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Reception

1. At first glance, I noticed that there are multiple sources in the review table aren't mentioned in the article. I saw that Nintendo Power was condensed to a single point (which is fine), but unless I'm mistaken, some others aren't mentioned. These include Computer and Video Games, HobbyConsolas, Joypad, and Total!.

I noticed that although the CVG, HobbyConsolas, Joypad, and Total! reviews are not directly mentioned in the article, they are condensed into the notes to denote what reviewers felt about aspects of the game. Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

1. Official Nintendo Magazine is called Nintendo Magazine System in the prose

I put a mention in the article. Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:06, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

References and links

1. May be worthwhile to archive some links (like Nintendo Life)

I noticed that the links were archived by Bruxton. Roberth Martinez (talk) 23:47, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

1. Fixed some redirects

@Cukie Gherkin:I got around some of the stuff that needed to be addressed. Roberth Martinez (talk) 00:08, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Looks good. Passed.