Talk:Monica Conyers

Non-Neutral Page on Detroit City Council President Monica Conyers

After reading this page I have a few comments. First, this page seems libelous, also this page is discriminatory and inflammatory. Non-neutral and partial. It does not state or reference any of Council President Conyers accomplishments as a teacher, an public school administrator, nor a President pro tempor of City Council nor as President. I have a serious problem with bigoted pages created with no facts but just the opinions of others who do not like her. The only thing factual that I saw was that she was being investigated by the FBI, however they have determined that she has not done anything wrong. Someone please assist me in rectification of these issues and i'd greatly appreciate it. Kcgs1989 (talk) 23:25, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

What, specifically, do you see here that is not properly supported by an acceptable reliable source under Wikipedia policies? This article has had problems with unsubstantiated NPOV statements in the past, but at the moment, everything that's potentially controversial or negative in the story seems to be properly verified with citation to a reliable source, and reported with an appropriately neutral point of view. She is a political public figure; controversy comes with the job. The first half of the article reports the "accomplishments" you mention above, in a properly neutral fashion. If there are additional things that you think should be included, and they are properly verifiable, then add them. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Arxiloxos's question is reasonable and deserves an answer. Two things in the meantime: I've removed the template Kcgs1989 placed here, because it is not intended for talk pages, and because everything in the article is sourced. Second, I actually agree with Kcgs1989 that the article is slanted--it could certainly use expansion of its coverage of Conyers's career, and the controversy section should probably be compressed, placing the focus on the more serious problems. One problem with addressing this is that, since neither the Free Press nor the Detroit Times News is a fan of Conyers, finding reliable, neutral, independent coverage is a challenge. In any case, words like "bigoted" are not helpful at all--let's work on improving the article, not making accusations against people trying in good faith to do so. Any neutral, sourced additions would be welcome. Chick Bowen 00:05, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I've tried to make it a bit less WP:COATRACK by creating a bit more structure; but WP:WEIGHT really demands more on what Conyers has actually done as legislator/President, rather than things the two local rags have criticised her for. It doesn't help that neither paper's free archives go back very far. Also the issue of greatest significance (possibly), the FBI investigation, really needs more detail. Rd232 ^talk 02:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits. I'm not sure whether the Synagro business is worth including or not. The latest I can find is this article, which says, "Among the claims Watkins recounted to the grand jury: [. . .] that Detroit City Council President Monica Conyers asked him to meet with Detroit businessman Rayford Jackson, who is under investigation in connection with the Synagro sludge contract." That seems like a fairly tenuous connection--the case actually seems to center around trustees of the city pension board, not the city council. In this earlier article in the FP, it sounds like a former staff member was the FP's original source, and that he "had the impression the FBI was targetting her"--there doesn't seem to have ever been an FBI source for it. Anyway, I'd be fine with taking out the sentence about it for now--if Conyers turns out to be a bigger part of it, we can put it back in. Chick Bowen 02:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. I've removed the Synagro bit, it seems too tenuous for the moment. Rd232 ^talk 03:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

What makes you guys think that news on Conyers via the Detroit News and Detroit Free Press is a reliable source. They out right do not like her and only reports controversial news concerning her, and anything else that aids in defamating her character as an individual and as a keeper of the public trust. They even went as far as calling her unfit for office as if they're the authority in relation to determining who is and isnt fit for office. News agencies are suppose to be fair and impartial however as I said before the news media outlets in Detroit are bigoted when it comes to President Conyers. They report little facts and loads of opinions... Read their editorals. Kcgs1989 (talk) 03:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Major local papers are normally considered reliable sources, at least for news reporting (not opinion). It's normal that papers have opinions on politicians (sometimes strong), hopefully separated from the news reporting. Other reliable sources would be good, if we can find some. Rd232 ^talk 03:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Kcgs1989, I believe because we live in a democracy and that her position in office is publicly appointed, that the press has the authority as well as any other indivdual to determine who is and isnt fit for office. 192.136.15.149 (talk) 15:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

If Conyers is notable for anything, it is her out-of-control behavior at council meetings. So while her other notable achievements (if any) should be listed, it isn't surprising that a lot of the article would be about her undignified conduct. Tragic romance (talk) 12:22, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Biased in favor of Conyers?

Good God! If this article is biased it's in FAVOR of Conyers. What is her maiden name? What is the age diff btw her and John and why is so little made of how this VERY powerful US Congressman has this VERY controversial wife?

She was in a BARFIGHT w/another chick!! Why is that not in this article? She called Ken Cocrell Jr SHREK in a Det City Counci Meeting. Why is that not in this article? She was REBUKED for her churlish behavior by an EIGHT YEAR OLD child who she then proceeded to tell "I guess we'll have to agree to disagree!" haha Why is that not in this article?

To suggest it is bigoted is laughable. That's how race-baiting pols in Detroit have managed to DESTROY the city in a generation w/out being held accountable. And to suggest BOTH Detroit Newspapers esp the Freep which is NOTORIOUSLY Democratic are not reliable sources is downright hysterical.

But in a way, this is good. Whenever anyone questions my assertion that Wikipedia is CONTROLLED by far left idealogues, I simply tell them: Read Ann Coulter's article. Then read Monica Conyers'.

Works like a charm! Every time. So...Thanks Wikipedia Editors! Keep on keeping on... haha 68.40.123.217 (talk) 06:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Look at WP:SOAPBOX. Don't assume that anyone WP:OWNs this article - it's the outcome of collaborative editing; if you want to contribute, please do. Note that consistency is indeed one of Wikipedia's weak points (as you'd expect, if you think about how it works), but comparing a a national figure like Coulter with a local figure like Conyers isn't fair. As you can see from the discussion about sources above, there is just much much less written about Conyers. And Wikipedia is not a tabloid, so we don't automatically report everything that appears in newspapers about a subject. Rd232 ^talk 12:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

There's documented video proof of the above claims on various video sharing websites, with the "Shrek" and "8 Year Old Interview" stories on these issues largely verified by these videos. This article also seems to fail to mention the various government jobs this woman has handed out to her felonious family and friends. That's not slander or libel, those are facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.130.174 (talk) 07:29, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Proof is irrelevant here--to report independently on such video would be original research, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Any aspect of her career that has gotten significant coverage in reliable sources can be added; it's that simple. Chick Bowen 17:32, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate and age?

Why is this missing from her bio? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonger1150 (talk • contribs) 16:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

It has since been added by another user. --TommyBoy (talk) 15:23, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

She was born (Oct 31) 4 days before her future husband was first(Nov 3) elected to Congress Czechia2016 (talk) 03:39, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Sources

• Livengood, Chad, Christine Macdonald, and Joel Kurth. "John and Monica Conyers file for divorce" (Archive). The Detroit News. October 2, 2015.

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