Talk:Monica Brewster

Atkinsons

Family tree diagram of members of the Atkinson, Richmond and Hursthouse families of early New Plymouth

I see Brewster's mother was an Atkinson - I wonder if she was related to Jane Maria Atkinson - anyone know? MurielMary (talk) 07:04, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

The article about Jane's husband, Arthur Samuel Atkinson, says he is brother of Harry Atkinson, who is Monica's grandfather. That would mean that Jane is Monica's great aunt, by marriage. --Pakaraki (talk) 08:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, that's interesting! Probably too distant to note in the article though, don't you think? MurielMary (talk) 09:18, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

We've got a family tree for the Valpy-Fulton-Jeffreys family, and given that there are a large number of bios for the Atkinson family, maybe that's what we should look into. All the relationships may become a bit clearer. Schwede66 17:24, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, a family tree diagram could be helpful in this case. Monica's husband's full name is Rex Carrington Brewster, and his mother was Isobella Carrington. Her father was Octavius Carrington, brother of Frederic Carrington (the "founder of New Plymouth"). --Pakaraki (talk) 19:21, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

First draft diagram of the families uploaded. Not all siblings are shown so that the diagram doesn't get too crowded. There is still some detail to fill in, but the main thing at this stage is to identify all the people with Wikipedia articles that should be shown on this diagram. Who else should be included? Is Rosalind Hursthouse related to this family? --Pakaraki (talk) 21:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Awesome. Some observations. Firstly, you need to use an unspaced endash in a pure year range (i.e. where you have years only, the dash is unspaced, and it's always an endash that gets used for date ranges). Secondly, the usual symbol for a marriage is ∞ and it generally sits between the couple that is married. That would save you quite a number of rows. Schwede66 21:48, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

OK. This is just standard output from Gramps, I don't think there are options to use endash and ∞ symbols, but these sorts of changes could be done by hand as post-processing. (And I have amended to endash in the dates.) But the first step is identifying the people who should be included in the diagram. --Pakaraki (talk) 07:13, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Ok, no worries. I've had a look, and have identified the following additional family members:

• Torchy Atkinson
• Mary Richmond (teacher)
• Charles Wilson Hursthouse
• Rangimarie Hetet
• Diggeress Te Kanawa
• Rangi Hetet
• Stephenson Percy Smith
• Veranoa Hetet
• Erenora Puketapu-Hetet

I've also created categories, both on Wikipedia and Commons. The category name may not be right, but those can always be moved. Schwede66 08:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

The diagram is updated with those people, except for Torchy Atkinson, as I haven't yet identified who his parents are. Another glitch is that the standard genealogy approach is to use full birth names, whereas Wikipedia articles sometimes use a shortened name, nickname or married name. This could make it awkward for some readers to line up the diagram with articles. --Pakaraki (talk) 07:30, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Re Torchy Atkinson, I suppose the diagram is going to get messy. His father was Samuel Arnold Atkinson (who was known by his middle name), and his dad meets notability criteria hands down (interesting bio on the NZ Law Society website). S. A. Atkinson was the son of Harry Atkinson from his second marriage. Torchy's mother was a Hursthouse, the daughter of Richmond Hursthouse. I suggest we won't worry about the style issues of that diagram for the time being. Given the dominance of the Hursthouse family, I suggest we include them in the category name. And by the way, Pakaraki, what you describe as "shortened name, nickname or married name" is a concept known on Wikipedia as common name. Schwede66 08:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I very much suspect that Rosalind Hursthouse also belongs to this family. Schwede66 18:52, 19 February 2016 (UTC)