Talk:Melbourne Talk Radio

Hi. I've just written a page about the new station in all the papers today. Melbourne doesn't have that many radio stations, much less a direct commercial competitor to the ratings leader 3AW? Shouldn't there be a page about it? Ta.

The Name

The name 'Melbourne Talk Radio' is being used without permission of the actual owners of the name. Melbourne Talk Radio Pty Ltd is a wholly owned division of Local Media Pty Ltd, which publishes the weekly Melbourne Observer newspaper (established 1969). Melbourne Talk Radio Pty Ltd, which is officially registered with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission, holds the business name registrations for 'Melbourne Talk Radio' and 'Melbourne Talk Radio MTR'.

Melbourne Radio Operations Pty Ltd, which is the joint venture of Macquarie Radio Network Ltd, Sydney, and Pacific Star Network Ltd, does NOT have the permission of Local Media Pty Ltd to use its names. Complaints have been lodged with government authorities about the unauthorised use of the 'Melbourne Talk Radio' brand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.17.211 (talk) 08:44, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

As the station is launching on Monday under the Confirmed name, this comment is irrevelant & should be ignored. Unless I see an Unbiased reference, I will delete the above.
Wally Otto (talk) 11:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

"irrevelant"? So that is the standard of editing at Wikipedia, huh? - Ash Long, Director, Melbourne Talk Radio Pty Ltd —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.17.211 (talk) 13:31, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me? I'm just trying to maintain a neutral stand point, which is actually listed in the "rules of Wikipedia". I am NOT affliated with this, or any radio station, however I have worked in community radio for a short period (3 months). I was just politely asking to see a reference to back up your claims.
Wally Otto (talk) 21:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

There is no such word as "irrevelant" Wally, though I can see a use for it. The independent reference you seek is www.radioinfo.com.au You ask for no bias, yet every post I have tried to submit, you have removed. THAT, my friend, is bias. - Ash Long —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.17.211 (talk) 00:01, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I do understand where you are coming from, I would be ballistic too if my copyright was stolen. The fact you have given a reference, gives your claims the credibility that they need. Therefore I apologise.

However, I do not agree with you attacking using Wikipedia, espically attacking myself. As you are currently taking the matter to court, that is the main reason why I'm undoing your edits. There is no need to turn the article into evidence. Keep it just in the court and the media, and I will be happy. Wally Otto (talk) 03:27, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Wally, this is not able keeping you happy. It is about FACTS. Where have I mentioned the word 'courts'? I haven't - that's an assumption made by you. Very unwise. You have eliminated our reference to us DISPUTING your wordage. That is grossly unfair. Wikipedia rules say that "content that violates any copyrights will be deleted". By your own rules, any reference to 'Melboure Talk Radio' should be deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.17.211 (talk) 04:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

It isn't about 'facts', it is about independently verifiable information. You editing an article on MTR on a subject you are personally involved with (assuming you are indeed the person suing MTR) and that is not a neutral point of view. Wikipedia is not a forum for discussion, your disputes are not to be taken up on the article page. Including referenced unbiased information is fine, starting the article off with "The name 'Melbourne Talk Radio' is being used without permission of the actual owners of the name." isn't. For some personal editorialisng, 'Melbourne Talk Radio' is too generic to be trademarked with exclusivity, you'd use the name to discuss the market itself. When the 1377 is tacked on the end or abbreviated with the frequency to MTR 1377 all ambiguity is gone. Funny how a guy who appears on 3AW so often suddenly pops up against a new talk competitor. --GoForMoe (talk) 15:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

'Go For Moe' says Ash Long is suing MTR. Facts please? 'Go For Moe' gives his judgement that 'Melbourne Talk Radio' cannot be trademarked. Is he/she a trade marks expert? 'Go For Moe' then offers a personal slur about Ash Long who appears on a large range of commercial and community radio stations. Then 'Go For Moe' accuses others of bias. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.161.17.211 (talk) 11:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

The difference? I haven't edited the article and haven't added my opinion on the matter to the article, maintaining it's unbiased view of the subject matter. I'm accusing you as someone with a personal involvement (talking about yourself in the third person doesn't remove that) of editing an article with your point of view on something. Wikipedia articles are not the place for my opinion, or your opinion. As such, I have not edited the article, and will not edit it to add personal points of view or material unreferenced by an independent source. If you have issues over the trademark of MTR, the Wikipedia article on it is not the place to air it. GoForMoe (talk) 15:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

You keep getting it wrong Moe. My name is Peter Mac. I work at the Observer offices. You are wrong, you say Ash Long is suing over 'Melbourne Talk Radio'. Where did you verify that? The material that has been removed from Wikipedia has been independently published in The Age, Herald Sun, Jocks Journal, Radio Info. Yet a small interest group, some associated with a fringe website, seem intent of slurring an independent small business. The truth will become self-evident.

Whoever you are, please sign your Wikipedia posts (or register and then sign), so we can ALL make sense of THIS conversation. Without a Wikipedia signature, this conversation makes little sense to others reading it. (Remember that it's visible globally.) HiLo48 (talk) 20:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Right Wing Talkback?

The page's infobox has been modified to say that the station's format is Right Wing Talkback. It has publicly declared its intentions to "skew to the right of politics" and, according to reliable sources which could easily be referenced, has clearly already done so. But I suspect that description is still going to be a little controversial. HiLo48 (talk) 07:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

I decided to edit it to match the American descriptions, as they have already said they are skewing right. If you would prefer, I could change it to Centre-Right, but at this stage I don't really see the benefit. Wally Otto (talk) 23:40, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Pending Station Closure

Hi, I've added some material about the pending closure of the MTR radio station, as noted from the Melbourne age. I'm just wondering if someone can please clean it up as I just couldn't work out how to format the reference link properly. Thanks. Whitewater111 (talk) 02:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Last minutes before closure

I'm not sure if this can be done because I am not a legal expert but would adding the last 1 minute and 40 seconds of MTR's last broadcast be allowed to be added onto Wikipedia either as a Referenced link or as a direct link? and if so can it be done under fair use? (Not sure what the Australian equivilent of Fair Use is) and I assume if it is permissible that it would be uploaded to commons.wikipedia.org. If no then have no worries I'll just move along to editing another Wikipedia page. Please let me know, thank you in advance. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 20:15, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

That's an interesting question to me, because I was listening at the time. What has been reported elsewhere in the media, and what I've seen claimed to be the last moments of broadcast, is not what I heard. Do you have a link to your proposed sound bite? HiLo48 (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

No I don't have a link and unfortunately I no longer have access to a website server where I can temporarily post it, but I do have the actual clip in my possession which is a .wav file. It is my humble opinion that this is a significant event in Australian radio and as such should be included somewhere as a reference or a link on Wikipedia. What do you propose we do next? TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 22:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

I think that's because the newsroom incident only occurred on the Internet stream. Reubot (talk) 23:30, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I wouldn't know from lick if it is from the over-the-air broadcast or from the Internet stream as I am residing in the United States and therefore did not have the opportunity to hear the final broadcast live. Maybe someone from Australia or specifically the Melbourne region can shed some light. TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 02:36, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

I was listening on my car radio. I heard Luke Grant read the formal announcement, and then the broadcast cut straight to 3MP's music program. No news bulletin at all. And yes, I've read that they began the news and it was interrupted. Not on my radio. So, if we do add something, that needs to be explained. As for whether we do, I'd say, yes, if we can. HiLo48 (talk) 02:43, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok here's something interesting, apparently Reubot you were correct that incident was only heard on the Internet stream, see this link that I found (Report from DanNews.co.nz). TheGoofyGolfer (talk) 04:29, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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