Talk:Meat Puppets

/Archive 1 (topics: 1 Release dates of Pups' SST albums, 2 cover band, 3 Cover band, 4 To call the Meat Puppets a "cover band" is inaccurate, 5 Alex101, 6 Members in infobox, 7 Serious renovation needed)

Sublime was influenced by the Meat Puppets

Sublime should be added to the bands that the Meat Puppets have influenced{in this article}. Sublime thanks the Meat Puppets in their "Thanks" track on their "40 Ounces To Freedom" album.Danielashelford (talk) 21:11, 29 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielashelford (talk • contribs) 21:04, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Seperate Article for Backwater

I think Backwater is a big enough hit that it diserves its own article Savagepine 01:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing Required?

Reading through the page, I found the paragraph detailing the band members' drug abuse to be a little on the edge of BLP. While it may or may not be true, should we maybe attribute that to a source inline to make sure we stay in line with policy?Cool moe dee 345 14:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I have stumbled across a good article at the Austin Chronicle, that's basically recapturing most of the band's career. Regarding the drug addiction the article gives detailed descriptions (incl interview bits by Cris himself), from Cris shitting his pants due to his addiction to the death of his girlfriend and his other friend due to an OD. The link. Johnnyw talk 12:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Grunge?

Im not sure if these guys are grunge or not. Can anyone find some references on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.34.87.206 (talk) 05:38, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Desert?

What have this band to do with Desert rock? At least its not mentioned in article, but the band is in "first wave desert rock" on Desert rock page. --212.80.64.138 (talk) 13:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this page has really strayed from the truth

Cris was not in the Atomic Bomb Club BEFORE the Puppets. The Bomb Club had disbanded, and Jack Knetzger had moved out of town. Both Cris and Curt played bass in the Bomb Club AFTER Jack moved back to Phoenix briefly. "The Gold Mine" and "Melons Rising" were Meat Puppets songs, NOT Bomb Club songs. No one but Jack wrote for the Bomb Club. We didn't moved to Tempe until five years into the band's career. By that time, we'd lived and rehearsed in a half dozen different places, including both our parents' houses.

This page has now completely eliminated our partnership with Monitor and their World Imitation label. They released our first record, and it was through them that we met Joe Carducci.

These are just the first couple paragraphs. Too bad it's against policy for the subject of a Wikipedia page to edit his own entry. I guess you all are stuck with this version. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbostrom (talk • contribs) 13:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly. Whoever edited this article couldn't possibly have been alive during the Meat Puppets heyday in the 80's. This is all too common on articles about the underground music and art scene of that time. Unfortunately, because this was before widespread digital media and the scene was completely unacknowledged by mainstream media, the only extant sources of information for this subject are fanzines and a handful of alternative magazines/newspapers, most of which only exist in the basements and storage units of pack rat ex-punks. If the editors of articles such as this one do not have access to such sources, they have no business writing about this subject matter. It would be better to have no article at all than one composed almost completely of misinformation. 65.30.180.228 (talk) 13:47, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

There is a certain amount of truth to the remark about fanzines. However, the article on Factsheet Five states that Mike Gunderloy donated his collection to the New York State Library. I recall a previous discussion elsewhere on the talk space about how zines are unverifiable. If a major research library maintains a collection of zines, that may be a bogus argument. The real issue is whether an individual publication passes muster or not as a RS.RadioKAOS (talk) 18:50, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

"The Meat Puppets have wowed fans in their home town with several gigs since 2009. The Marquee show in June 2011 with Dead Confederates was perfect. A large crowd supported every step through the Meat Puppets' historic set list. The New Year's Eve show (12-31-11) at the Clubhouse in Tempe, AZ was epic. Truly Old-School in every sense of the word--Hard core riffs in a classic punk club." This entire section is not encyclopedic. You cannot verify these shows as "epic" or "perfect" and it is all POV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.178.191.2 (talk) 17:24, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Cris Kirkwood imprisonment

I added a {{cn}} tag to the paragraph about Cris Kirkwood's battering of a post office security guard and subsequent imprisonment. I have no doubt that this is true. But under Wikipedia's BLP policies, it requires citation. Citations I found supported the story but did not quite match the report here closely enough that I could add the citations without further research or rewriting the paragraph, and I don't have time to do a thorough job right now. In the meantime, perhaps this will be helpful:

• "Ex-Meat Puppet socked with 21 months in prison". Eugene Register-Guard. Associated Press. August 4, 2004. p. C2.

—Mark Dominus (talk) 20:56, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Origin of the Name

I've long assumed that the name "Meat Puppets" derived from the term in William Gibson's novel Neuromancer, but I see that was published in 1984, while the band reportedly adopted its name in 1982. However, Gibson published some short stories before the novel, which may have introduced the term. Anybody (less lazy than me) know the backstory here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smrose (talk • contribs) 04:09, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

In "common usage" (such as it were in this case), "meat puppet" tends to refer to a penis. Dunno if that helps any. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 07:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

It can also refer to the human body, or just be a cool sounding name. Derrick Bostrum named the group. Someone could ask him at his blog what he had in mind. --Middle 8 (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Is Elmo Kirkwood officially in the band or just touring with them?

Anybody got a source for this? I checked the Meat Puppets Yahoo group recently (on which drummer Shandon Sahm and manager Dennis Pelowski post) and there was no mention of this. --Middle 8 (talk) 08:45, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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