Talk:Mau rākau

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This article is unfinished... and there is no sources cited to finish it. Liastnir 05:53, 8 March 2006

Ive added some references but had trouble finding more. I tried to clean it up a little but it still needs some work. Im not very clear on the accuracy of the mythology section as that is from the original article which was unreferenced. Porco-esphino 07:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Some comments that were just here and I dont know where to put them

Ka takina te Kawa Ka takina te kawa kia Tu!

Ko Tu ki runga, ko Tu ki raro Ko Tu ki roto, ko Tu ki waho Ko Tu Mata kore, ko Tu aio, Ko Tu tautinitini Ko Tu whakamano Ariki!

Mau rakau is a form of martial expression and a partnership between warrior and weapon. In the system of the maori,the ancients conversed with their weapons to seek advise as how to move in different war like situations.

My mentors and esoteric guides have taught me that we must remember that we are all connected. Mau is to hold, hold on to your connection to the living life force of all things.

Anyone can kill or hurt another person, this is not the true intent for us humans, it is to transcend the myrids of obtacles that stop us from reaching our true potential our true destiny.

The true spiritual warriior is at one with his weapon as if a relationship between the two, this is the first lesson, if you think you are the only one in this battle of life, get over yourself, everything has a essence and spirit, a purpose and this we must never forget.

In your holding of your the staff(tuakana) and being with your staff, ask it to teach you, ask it for permission to be moved in certain ways, ask it its name, become one. It is here you will start to create energy patterns that give light to the world instead of movements that are about dominance and war.

A timeless motionless wholistic movement that that has the backing of the cosmos, because you taken time out to get over your ego world of me,me,me,I,I,I. Next time you hold a rakau, staff or sword, tune into the intention as to why you have met at this time, in this space for whatever reason, and then move with your rakau, giving and taking each others needs and wants in to consideration.

Mai ea, tawhiwhi atu ra kia tu! Arise and let me recieve the lore of Tumatauenga!

Lack of References.

There seems to be a lack of references to this really being an martial art of ancient origin. Could be please find some. Especially the pre-European bit. Otherwise things will probably have to be trimmed. - SimonLyall (talk) 10:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I tidied the article up a bit. Removed the ancient origin and list of weapons and added a couple of refs. - SimonLyall (talk) 08:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep the new page.

The new page is more informative. There are not many sites that talk about Mau Rakau or Maori history. Hell, the Kawiti's Ohaewai Pa page is one of the top 3 worst defeats the British suffered to the Maori rebels and it is barely a stub.

The sources are good enough and have all the information needed to provide Wikipedia for a good enough page.

Hell, here's something to change. The Famous practitioner list. Sala Baker, where's a source that says he practices it? Seamus Fitzgerald sure he was at Mokia Island but he isn't exactly famous, he just appeared as a character on a SpikeTV show.

Why not add Cliff Curtis who has admitted that he has practiced the Martial Art and Temuera Morrison who demonstrated the skill on the film the Marine 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snugglbunny (talk • contribs) 11:57, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

The really big thing to be careful of in this article is that the martial art is based on traditional Maori weapons. There is pretty much zero evidence (that anyone has posted) that Mau rākau itself is more than a few years old. So the article should talk about how it is practised now and recent (read documented) history not speculation about how it was used in real combat 200 years ago (unless we have real references to that). - SimonLyall (talk) 18:52, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

@SimonLyall where's the evidence that it is only afew years old? The Name may not have been used the the practices of it were definitely used in ancient times pre-European contact. What about Lua? The Hawaiian Martial Art, do you consider that a Post-European contact system?

I had attempt to add Techniques and the Training of young boys in ancient times. The world isn't found on the internet so it should be added. Kung Fu didn't have an official name, yet it still has a Wiki page. Mau Rakau should atleast be considered a Martial Art since it is a practice of combat systems.

Should we atleast agree on adding techniques to the page? OR should we just bury it due to lack of Internet Sources aswell as the rest of the Maori related pages that are barely stubs in the Net. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snugglbunny (talk • contribs) 04:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

If you add information it must have proper references to good sources. If it doesn't then it will definitely be removed. Try some of the old New Zealand newspapers that are online. If tomorrow I start a martial art based on (say) Roman Swordfighting then it is not suddenly 2000 years old. Some Martial arts (like say Sumo or Italian school of swordsmanship ) have been practised for hundreds of years. I know of another article which has people trying create an ancient history out of a modern thing and it's very sad to watch (especially the fact they feel an ancient history is worth lying about) - SimonLyall (talk) 08:55, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

But there are hardly any good sources about NZ and Maori history. Most of the more informative sites are usually blogs or TEC's. Well i know of two other sites that have more information, both written by Maori and Pakeha historians. Just need time to remember how i found em the first time. The NZ News Paper wont get any information for Mau Rakau. Again, how do you know how old this Martial System really is? Just because it doesnt have a source online doesnt mean it cant be true, it just means no one made a site for it. btw could you link that article please.

What do you think of these links? http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-Bes02Maor-t1-body-d6.html#n257

The apparent origin of Mau Rakau. http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-MitTaki-t1-body-d2-d10.html http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-MitTaki-t1-back-d1-d3.html

Also, does the page HAVE to have an Origin? Why cant we add techniques?

Last thing, Kung Fu is still allowed to have a page aswell as Karate and Glima and yet they have no specific origin other than myths. The do however have sites saying that they were used before contact with other countries.

What about Lua? a Hawaiian Martial System. That still has a page and they use Martial Art Fanboy Sites and and a line that says "Discovery channel" for sources. Somehow that is better than having links that actually tell how the Mau Rakau system worked even in the eyes of William Colenso and Cpt Cook aswell as others who looked on at the Native man at work raising his kids and preparing for war. So other pages can have crude sources but Maori related pages cant even when they aren't really that crude to begin with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snugglbunny (talk • contribs) 13:57, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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