Talk:Matt Stone/Archive 1

Archive 1

Citations

This article is seriously lacking in the citations department Anyone who edits this article in the future should make sure to cite whatever they put on --Gilimonster 16:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Scientology?

I can't find anything to verify the claim that Matt Stone or Trey Parker "...along with Isaac Hayes are well known members of the Church of Scientology". I can find plenty of references to Isaac Hayes being a scientologist, none for Matt Stone or Trey Parker. What is the basis for this claim? (unsigned 03:58, 29 June 2005 by 24.22.182.188)

edit by someone who does not know how to use this system: one south park episode criticised scientology. I believe it was season nine, episode 12.

If you listen to the commentary to the season 4 episode "Timmy! 2000" they mention that Isaac Hayes got a big kick out of the episode because, in Trey's approximate words, "Scientologists, for all the crazy things they do, are really against Psychology." This goes on a bit, the point being: Hayes IS, Stone/Parker are not. They are also not Mormon. - Darkhawk (3 March, 2006 3:20 PM EST)

I believe that they are agnostic, though very firmly not atheists. One of them said somewhere about South Park's perceived lack of respect toward God, something along the lines of, "You can't make fun of what you don't believe in." While disagreeing and ridiculing some of it's institutions and problems, they clearly have a certain respect for Christianity (as well as most religions-there just probably don't have as much to say about them since they live in a mostly Christian country). They seem to be agnostics in the since that they believe that humans cannot know about the existence or nature of God. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtbob12 (talk • contribs) 21:01, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

They are far from scientologists, and consider it, as per the words of Kyle, "...a fruity little club." As to Their beliefs, I remember hearing a quote once by Matt Stone, I think, about him thinking that "the most absurd idea of all is that everything happened randomly, for no reason." Making them un-atheist.(Lmao, a little side note, the FireFox spellcheck doesn't recognize "scientologist" as a word.) C. Pineda (クリス) (talk) 06:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Half-Jew?

If his mother was/is Jewish, he is a Jew, not a half Jew, according to traditional Jewish beliefs. See: Who is a Jew? --Der Sporkmeister 00:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, that's as may be. But his mother was a non-practicing Jew, and to be the best of my limited knowledge, Matt has never explicitly declared himself to be an observant Jew, either. I guess the safest thing one could say, is that he is of Jewish descent. Not that it really matters to me what Matt Stone believes in, as long as he doesn't start jumping couches. -- Jalabi99 12:01, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

yeah, he would be jewish according to jewish tradition but he prefers the "biological" explaination, showing that he actually doesn't give a shit to jewish ancestry.

• "Jewish" refers both to a religion AND a race. It is quite possible to be Jewish and not believe in god. Therefore whether or not a Jew "practices" or is "observant" is utterly irrelevant. -- 86.17.211.191 13:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

At last! Someone else who realises this!! If only there were a few million more of us. 62.25.106.209 20:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Right, but, as a race, it doesn't matter if it is passed down through the mother or father. according to the race being based entirely and irrefutably on whether or not the mother is Jewish could mean that if my mother's mother's mother's mother's mother's mother was Jewish and each woman married a Christian, than I am a Jew and just don't know it because of my Protestant upbringing. Conversely, if I thought my self to be Jewish in religion, race, and heritage, but that same distant ancestor of mine were not Jewish, than I am not a Jew. While the Jewish tradition may hold that it is the mother's lineage that determines an ethnic Jew, the fact is is that the rest of us, including those born to a Jewish mother, may not subscribe to that, and not consider himself a Jew. I know that Judaism is a race which some people do not understand. I am 1/8 Jew, which some people stupidly mistake to mean that I "1/8 don't believe in Jesus (I am completely serious)." However, it is also a cultural identity, which, regardless of the mother, some are brought up in and some are not. The mother thing is more of a Jewish tradition in determining who is allowed to say they are an ethnic Jew, but in American culture, you cannot proclaim someone, against their will and because of their mother to be a total Jew (not in a negative way, I have nothing against Jews and in fact believe that it is absolutely appalling how much anti-semitism is allowed to be expressed by people in respected positions-like college professors and highly thought of journalists-without receiving the admonition and loss of respect that bigotry towards other groups brings). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtbob12 (talk • contribs) 21:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Cannibal! The Musical

IMDB doesn't give Matt a writing credit in Cannibal! or in the credits of the DVD. Where are we getting him as a writer and producer?

He is Not Pro Life!

Along with Trey, someone put up that they were "Pro Life celebrities". There is no evidence supporting this and there is probaly more pointing towards Pro-Choice (If you need to see the evidence, go to Talk:Trey Parker), even though there is not enough evidence to go either way.

Article Seems to Be Lifted Nearly Wholesale

While looking for clear pictures of his wife Emma Sugiyama to place within this article, I found page]. As you can see, this article seems to have been lifted nearly wholesale from the page. I wonder what others thing about removing or otherwise re-editing the article here on Wikipedia, so that it is less derivative of the other page. -- Jalabi99 12:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Vegan?

This article states that he's a vegan, but doesn't provide any evidence to support that claim, and google searches have proven fruitless. 24.111.62.76 Not to mention the fact that in "Fun with Veil", they say (through their characters) something along the lines of "Eating tortured baby cows is wrong, but if you don't eat meat at all, you'll break out in little vaginas." That would seem to me that they scoff even at vegetarians, not to mention full on vegans.

Remember that Trey is doing 100% of the writing these days, so it would be him poking fun at vegans/vegetarians. It wouldn't matter whether his best pal Matt is one, in fact it might make him want to say it more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.90.172 (talk) 16:56, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

UPDATE: In the DVD commentary for the South Park Episode 'Fun With Veal' Matt Stone states very clearly that he is a meat eater. He has also publicly stated: "My favorite restaurant in the whole world is Dirty Bird on 14th and 7th and they deliver fried chicken. It isn't just my favorite restaurant in the city it is my favorite restaurant in the whole world."— Preceding unsigned comment added by Crimsonscarlett (talk • contribs) 18:52, August 7, 2013‎

Thanks for the update, Crimson.

At the moment, I don't see the article saying anything about his diet, so I think we're good. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

References

Writer or not?

Does Matt Stone help write any of the South Park episodes? He isn't listed with the staff writers in the credits, and Trey's the only main writer listed. Dr. Trey 11:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC) Trey writes the final scripts from the episodes but the ideas come from Trey,Matt and several other writers. Matt also wrote the final scripts from several episodes of the first three seasons. User:Alfredosolis

Trey Parker has a longer article than Matt Stone

Is there any reason why Trey Parker has a longer Wikipedia article than Matt Stone? It's almost twice the length with more pictures and biographical information. They are often mentioned in the same breath as one another and it seems odd that there is such a difference. -thealexfish 24.131.157.78 09:21, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

You make a good observation. I think, however, that you're asking the wrong question. Honestly, Parker and Stone are two different people! Just because "they are often mentioned in the same breath as one another" doesn't mean they have to have the same-length Wikipedia entries! If you have information to contribute to Stone's article, then by all means do so, but the lengths of the articles are completely irrelevant! 71.201.59.110 08:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Plus I think we have to acknowledge that Matt Stone is the less talented of the two. He writes fewer things and voices fewer characters in his tv series. --27.32.197.170 (talk) 14:40, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Does Matt Stone direct or write any of the South Park episodes?72.201.19.165 (talk) 21:56, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Not any more. I think they figured out in the first couple of seasons who was best at what, and Matt these days basically runs South Park Corp, leaving Trey to do that writing/directing, and calling in Matt to do his voice parts. There are hundreds of people involved in a show like that, so Matt's got a busy enough job running all that. If you were to think Trey might think Matt's getting a free ride, he's more likely to think the opposite - that Matt keeps Trey's life simple enough that he can focus on the creative side. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.217.90.172 (talk) 16:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Brother

Does Matt has an adopted brother? or Ike is just an idea.

More importantly, does John Stamos have a brother? That article says yes, the Big Gay Al episode article says no. Inconsistency abounds. --Fire Star 火星 01:04, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Matt has a sister, he mentions her in that new(ish) Rolling Stone article. --obsessical

Republican?

In a lot of South Park related sites, there is talk of Stone having claimed to be a Republican. Didn't he say that while being given an award at a event run by a prominent liberal? If so, it seems to be an acceptance-speech type of joke, meant to be ironic and not to be taken seriously. Now, it is clear that I have no idea if this is actually the case or not, I am just wondering if anyone else does. Let me know here or on my talk page. Tractorkingsfan 14:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I've read somewhere he is a registered Republican. Here he is listed as a libertarian. Zchris87v 06:55, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

I've heard he was a libertarian. libertarians often times will register as republicans. they are adamantly against the religious right, but I think that they oftentimes feel that there is still somewhat of a libertarian, "keep the government out of our lives" strain still left in the republican party that does not exist in the democratic party, although the libertarians agree with both parties on some issues. there is no doubt that south park, as well as Team America, have some obvious conservative/Republican sympathies, though I imagine that is largely due to the perceived liberal bias of Hollywood and the media, as well as the counter-culture that they so obviously belong to. I'm actually going to write a wikipedia article on their politics and that of the show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtbob12 (talk • contribs) 20:51, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Kerry donation & citation; MySpace link

This sentence was previously part of the trivia section: "He gave $1000 to Democrat John Kerry's presidential campaign on April 28, 2004" with the accompanying link: [1] The Matthew Stone from this link doesn't appear to be the same Matt Stone this page describes, as I don't think he was ever associated with "Stone Dog Productions, Inc.", so I deleted the sentence. Also, a previous version of the article included a link to a Myspace account that didn't appear to be legitimate, which I also deleted. frakkingjossome 23:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

AH-HA! This answers the question to who co-wrote the awful movie Destiny Turns On the Radio starring Quentin Tarentino. I was trying to figure out if it was the Matt Stone, but alas, no. This is a start to unravel this confusion. Just a start. (I also know the dude who used to fix Matt's computer at the Mac Mall (or whatever it's called) in Santa Monica. He says Matt's the nicest celeb to come into the store overall, which Patricia Richardson being the silliest.) Coffee5binky (talk) 02:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Michael Moore

I remember a Spin Magazine article where Trey Parker said distinctly: "I fucking hate that guy." I'll try to look it up, but it directly contradicts what's on the page now. Check out September 2005 issue, I believe that is where the quote is. --Jamesanth2 03:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)jamesanth2 Ok, unfortunately all I can find is this blog article which talks about the existence of this interview and then says that you can't find it online. Read it if you're interested. http://www.spitbull.blogspot.com/2005_10_01_spitbull_archive.html--Jamesanth2 03:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)Jamesanth2

From what I can recall, Matt doesn't care nearly as much about Michael Moore as Trey does. Because I remember once Matt saying he felt he was fairly represented in the interview, but Trey was pissed that everybody who saw the movie thought that he and Matt did the cartoon. --obsessical 11:19, 21 April 2007

Heterophobic

Is it true that he is heterophobic? El Chompiras

i didnt even think he was gay 17:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Who wouldn't be? 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 01:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

he has a wife and a son,so no. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.73.188 (talk) 00:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Giant Monsters Attack Japan!

I've created an article for Matt and Trey's upcoming film, Giant Monsters Attack Japan!. It is in need of expert editing. If you want to help improve the article, you can discuss it on the talk page. Thank you.--Swellman 03:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Residence

In a recent Rolling Stone (RS) article, March 2007, Matt Stone said he was having trouble with Venice City, CA, local planning regarding a fence around his home. He no longer lives in Pacific Palisades.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/south_park_still_sick_still_wrong

Excerpt from RS article: Stone, it seems, is having some problems with the city of Venice, California, over the height of a fence he wants to build around his house, and has been subject to multiple community-board meetings in elementary-school gymnasiums presided over by gray-ponytailed dudes ("Anytime a guy with a ponytail is telling me what to do, I get bummed out," he says)

IdontcarewhatuthinkIdontcarewhatuthink 14:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, in "Night of the Living Homeless" Cartman sings: "In the city of Venice, right by Matt's house, you can chill if you're homeless" [2]. — Mikhail Ryazanov (talk) 07:58, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Canada

Ok, what is it with these guys Trey and Matt and Canada?

Working in student exchanges, 30 years ago most of these kids didn't even know where Canada was. Today they all know and even want to go there, thinking its a nice place and people.

They're both born and raised in the US right?

So what's with them and Canada? Befuddler (talk) 09:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Columbine

I thought he said on Bowling for Columbine that he did go to Columbine High School. It's been a while since I saw that - did I forget something?155.188.183.5 (talk) 20:16, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Matt has stated numerous times that he did not attend Columbine High School although a lot of people assume that he did because of his part in the documentary.68.60.136.43 (talk) 01:32, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Film and Mathematics?

Matt's bio states that he was the first student to hold a degree in both film and mathematics. Trey Parker's, however, says the same thing.

So which is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.138.14.102 (talk) 01:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

According to [[3]], Trey took Japanese at Boulder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.100.186.165 (talk) 14:21, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

I removed it from both, as the other info given seems to contradict it (one got no degree, and the other one in maths, therefore neither got double majors. But even the preceding sentences might be false, given the lack of citations.Yobmod (talk) 11:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

On the subject of degrees, the article currently states that:

“He attended the University of Colorado and completed two undergraduate degrees in both film production and math.”

This is badly worded. To say that he “completed two undergraduate degrees” would mean that he spent 8 years at the University (4 years for each degree), or he took a Double Degree (working on two separate degrees in parallel) . A Double Degree is not the same as a Double Major (one degree but with two attached subjects). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cj567 (talk • contribs) 11:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

IMDB

IMDB is not the greatest source to use. This should be removed and replaced. Cirt (talk) 01:12, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

No mention of Stone's hating Liberals (even more)

I'm quite sure it was in the article before, now it's gone; just another example of Wikipedia's disparate impact on anything negative towards liberals. Lawyer2b (talk) 00:12, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

DVDA

The article says that Stone plays bass and drums for DVDA, with one of the gazillion plaguing Wikipedia. DVDA doesn't even have a website, so how are you supposed to source this? You can go on YouTube and actually see pictures of Stone playing drums and bass (not at the same time, olol) - how's that for a citation? Is watching a picture of the guy doing it citation enough? Marcus1979 (talk) 00:41, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, Wikipedia's citation policy says that citatations are needed only for statements that are disputed or likely to be disputed. (I realize that this is frequently overlooked.) This statement seems to me extremely unlikely to be disputed. --Steven J. Anderson (talk) 02:15, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Influence

Were these two in anyway influenced by George Carlin's comedy? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.38.109.242 (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Either Not True or POV

"In 1992, Stone and Parker created Jesus vs. Frosty.[3] It included four boys, two resembling Stan and Kyle, one called Kenny who looked like Cartman, and a fourth unnamed boy who looked like Kenny McCormick." I just watched it and there are boys resembling Stan, Kenny, and Cartman and another one that looks like a recolor of stan. There is no character that looks like Kyle."129.139.1.68 (talk) 12:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Putting aside the fact that that term does not apply because Wikipedia is not employer, was that material sourced per WP:V and WP:IRS? If so, then why not restore it? And if not, then that may have been why it was removed. Nightscream (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Personal Life

I think he needs a personal life section, or at least mention his wife somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.180.114 (talk) 03:30, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Does he even have a wife? I thought he was a "Confirmed Bachelor"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.159.111.98 (talk) 05:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I added a Personal life section, in which I mentioned his son and his atheism, as per the source in question. I don't know about his wife. Do any sources mention her? If so, add it. :-) Nightscream (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Why the need for a personal life section? There are MILLIONS of "public figures" on Wikipedia that do not have a section on their personal life. Where does it read in the guidelines that Matt Stone has to have a personal section? Is it required by the contents page? Why not focus on his work? There are many who feel the need for a personal section and there are just as many who don't feel the need for a personal section. Who is to say one is right over the other? His page has gone all these years without focusing on his personal life. At the end of the day we're all just a bunch of folks typing about SOMEONE ELSE'S life. 2obessed (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)2obessed

Personal life sections are not are included because they are "required" or "read in the guidelines". They're included because articles are to be summaries of the reasons for which a subject is notable, and may include information that is either tangentially related to those reasons, or is otherwise of general or encyclopedic interest. There is no accepted standard that says that the role of encyclopedias is strictly to focus solely on a person's occupation, especially when the subject themselves makes aspects of their personal life publicly noteworthy, whether it's Nostradamus' conversion to Catholicism, Lindsay Lohan's legal troubles, Tom Cruise's public declaration of his love for Katie Holmes on Oprah, or the political activism of Alec Baldwin. In the case of Matt Stone, he chose to mention his religious views and his son because it was a relevant part of his answer to a question he was asked on Nightline about the treatment of religion of a new Broadway show he co-created, so it makes no sense to argue that it doesn't belong in his article, since it's directly related to his work.

As for "millions" of public figures on Wikipedia who do not have such material in their articles, this is an exaggeration, since there are only 3.5 million articles on the English language Wikipedia to begin with. The truth is that most well-developed biographical articles on the site do contain such material, and those that do not are probably undeveloped stubs. It makes little sense to argue that the well-developed articles on the site should not include such material because a minority of them do not. The bottom line is, the material is reliably sourced and encyclopedic, so there is no valid reason to remove it, and if you're going to allege that someone "requested" that you remove it, then you'd better be clear and transparent about who it was that did so. Thinking that articles should only include information on subjects' work does not justify removing it with some cryptic remark about some "request", let alone sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. Nightscream (talk) 04:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I concur with Nightscream's assessment of the items in question. So far the only reason for removal boils down to WP:JDLI which does not hold much water. MarnetteD | Talk 13:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I have no problem with there being a personal life section, but what I DO resent is the fact that the only reference to his wife and son makes absolutely no mention to either of them on the site itself. This is a fuck-up. Find a legitimate source or remove the section. User:OhBee1 16:52, June 11, 2011

First of all, you need to calm down. If you wish to edit articles and discus how to improve them, then you'll have to adhere to Wikipedia's Civility Policy, and calling the work of others "a fuck-up" is a clearly violation of that policy. In addition, please sign your talk page posts. You can do this by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end of them, which also automatically time stamps them.

As for your assertion that "the only reference to his wife and son makes absolutely no mention to either of them on the site itself", I'm not certain I understand what you mean by this, but if you mean that the two sources that are cited for his wife do not in fact mention them, this is untrue. The first source, a New York Magazine article, indeed mentions his wife and son in its second line:

Stone is now married (the ceremony was performed by his friend the writer and blogger Andrew Sullivan, who got himself certified to do it) and has a 1-year-old son.

The second source, which is Stone's entry at the Notable Names Database, says: "Wife: Angela Howard (m. 2008, one son)" in the section, just beneath the two Reference notes, where his family members are listed. Both appear to be legitimate sources that support this material, and we are certainly not removing the section just because a less-than-polite newbie with 73 edits to his name comes here and makes arbitrary demands at odds with the community consensus that he doesn't even bother to sign. Nightscream (talk) 05:19, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from , 27 October 2011

On Matt Stone's religious beliefs. The article previously stated he is atheist. Stone, who was raised Jewish, says he's not religious. Parker says he considers himself religious, but it would take him a long time to explain it. Both say they believe in God.

"Recently, atheists and people who hate religion have, like, really glommed on to our show because we make fun of a lot of religions," Stone notes. "But neither one of us is anti-religious at all. I mean, I'm fascinated by religion."

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Entertainment/story?id=2479197&page=3 I'm guessing this is all I need, correct?

Mlennon325 (talk) 15:24, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

That interview is from 2006 where as the two source for the athiest are from 2011:

Nightline, ABC News, March 25, 2011, Quote: "I am an atheist, I live my life like I'm an atheist."

Swanson, Carl. "Trey Parker and Matt Stone Talk About Why The Book of Mormon Isn’t Actually Offensive, and the Future of South Park", New York Magazine, March 11, 2011

--Jnorton7558 (talk) 15:38, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Matt Stone

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Matt Stone's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "cnn":

• From Trey Parker: Devin Leonard (October 27, 2006). "South Park creators haven't lost their edge". CNN. Retrieved June 17, 2011.
• From Zachary Adam Chesser: Lister, Tom (April 19, 2010), Radical Islamic Web site takes on 'South Park', CNN, retrieved July 29, 2010
• From Trekkie: "Judge beams 'trekkie' juror from Whitewater case". CNN. March 14, 1996. Archived from the original on December 18, 2003. Retrieved February 21, 2011.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:17, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Error in the Article

In the Career: South Park Section, third paragraph: The portion that says, "leading fans to question mock Stone and question his involvement in the creative process" is terrible and needs to change to something like, "leading some to question his involvement in the creative process." 216.135.213.106 (talk) 14:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 16:41, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Atheist

"...Stone: We’re essentially atheists — I mean, I am; Trey I don't want to speak for. But coming from that point of view, we’re atheists who don’t hate religion." - New York Magazine[4]

"I am an atheist, I live my life like I'm an atheist." - Nightline, ABC News, March 25, 2011

Supposedly to the contrary, another editor asserts that "this commentary contradicts this statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx7oVGdv-SI keep as skeptic". The unsourced copyright violation presented there states that he spontaneously responded that he was not an atheist when surprised by a question on Nightline and how discussions with Penn and Dawkins' book essentially made him change his mind. In any case, the strong, unequivocal quotes say he is an atheist. The weak statement (that he says he once said he wasn't an atheist) does not retract those. - SummerPhD (talk) 16:28, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Its audio commentary of Stone himself saying he doesn't regard himself as an atheist. In the commentary he even said "we're not atheists". RAP (talk) 16:58 4 March 2013(UTC)

From this eight minute unlabeled likely copyright violation, you've extracted a fragment of a sentence. Here's some context: "We did an interview for nightline and we were totally surprised by this question. we were asked or he said 'You guys are atheists, you guys make fun of religion a lot on the show' and we're like, 'No, we're not athe...' and he's like 'What?' and we're like 'We're not atheists.' and then we kind of briefly stated our feelings about that. Then we get this call from Penn..." The "commentary" continues with discussions with "Penn", whom Stone believes should write a book about atheism. Why? Because Richard Dawkins book (to him) is like some 15 year old explaining that obviously there is no Santa Clause. Dawkins and Teller are presented as being obviously correct.

Against that story (of him saying they "were like", "we're not atheists"), stripped of all explanatory context in an labeled audio track someone uploaded to youtube, we have Nightline and New York Magazine. If you would like to remove what they say, you will need to demonstrate that they are not reliable sources. If you would like to add what the youtube copyright violation says, you will need to find a non-copyright violation source for it and demonstrate that it is a reliable source. If you would like to replace the reliably sourced info with the youtube thing, you'll need to do both. - SummerPhD (talk) 18:27, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Their appearance on Nightline leans in my favor, as when they were asked about being atheists, both were surprised and said no. I don't understand why you are snubbing the obviously hard hitting evidence he isn't an atheist. And saying it violates copyright won't hold water, maybe on Youtube, but not here. RAP (talk) 21:05 4 March 2013(UTC)

Whether the video is copyright infringement is completely irrelevant to the issues pertaining to this discussion, since Wikipedia is not YouTube. Copyright infringement is only an issue on Wikipedia when copy-protected material is added here. The issue is that the video (which is actually audio only) is not reliable, due to WP:USERG. We don't know where that audio comes from, and since there's no video, and there's no indication on the page, we don't know which episode it comes from (though I'm guessing from the dialogue, assuming it's accurate, that it's from "Go, God Go"). If someone can cite the actual episode, and verify that this dialogue is indeed in that episode's commentary, then that would be different, though even then, we'd have to see how it jibes with what they said in the Vulture/New York Magazine story. Nightscream (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

My point regarding copyright is that when we "know or reasonably suspect that an external Web site is carrying a work in violation of the creator's copyright" (as is obviously the case here), we do not link to that page. Wikipedia:COPYLINK#Linking_to_copyrighted_works With that in mind, we cannot site the unknown work. - SummerPhD (talk) 14:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Point taken. Nightscream (talk) 20:04, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014

Can you add Matt Stone birthday. 2605:E000:96C0:AF00:183:C6F0:B21E:B2F5 (talk) 00:09, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@2605:E000:96C0:AF00:183:C6F0:B21E:B2F5 and 2605:E000:96C0:AF00:183:C6F0:B21E:B2F5: Do you have a citation? --k6ka (talk | contribs) 00:14, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

 Done by XXSNUGGUMSXX --k6ka (talk | contribs) 00:15, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Matt Stone

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Matt Stone's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Playboy":

• From Trey Parker: Pond, Steve (June 2000). "Interview: Trey Parker and Matt Stone". Playboy. 47 (6): 65–80. [5]
• From Dustin Hoffman: Meryman, Richard. "Interview with Dustin Hoffman," Playboy, April 1975
• From Juli Ashton: "The Women of Porn", Playboy, March 2002, page 128

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 01:25, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

South Park worth hundreds of thousands of dollars

In the Bigger, Longer Uncut... section of the article I quote the following:-

"South Park has continued, becoming an enterprise worth hundreds of thousands of dollars."

Who wrote this? There is some ridiculous nonsense in wikipedia, but this is right up there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.240.27.251 (talk) 04:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Request for Comments

There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.

The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.

Please help us determine consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2015

Matt's age in parentheses should now be 44, as today is his birthday. 2601:98B:8203:9BF0:1D80:5DA1:CADF:26A4 (talk) 15:17, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

 The "birth date and age" template has already adjusted this automatically MarnetteD|Talk 15:32, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2015

In the section on The Book of Mormon, the link to The Book of Mormon (second paragraph, first line) takes you to the wikipedia page on the actual Book of Mormon, the religious text, rather than the musical. 68.227.129.24 (talk) 18:05, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed - Thank you for pointing this out. MarnetteD|Talk 18:17, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Politics?

Although Stone is categorized in "American libertarians", libertarianism isn't mentioned in his article. This thread speaks of a possible "hatred of liberals" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Matt_Stone#No_mention_of_Stone.27s_hating_Liberals_.28even_more.29 , while this thread discusses his supposed Republican registration - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Matt_Stone#Republican.3F . Does anyone know if the knowledge of Stone's politics is truly out there in the reliable digital universe? Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 03:27, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

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