Talk:Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes/Archive 1

PS3 and Xbox 360 Release date?

Where is this July 2nd release date coming from? On Capcom Unity's twitter, they specifically said that they June 29th date was a rumor, and that it would not be released until "closer to the end of July". See their Twitter - Bkid ^{My talk}/_Contribs 04:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

That was an early rumor and it was debunked when capcom posted that date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkcat1 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ign now says the PS3 version is coming out August 6. Is there anything to that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.56.34 (talk) 15:48, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

ESRB lists PS3 version

Do a search on the ESRB website for Marvel vs Capcom 2, it lists a PS3 port. Should this be mentioned in the article at all?Linknumbers (talk) 03:08, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

we already know it's slated for PSN and Xbox live release so I don't see how that's relevant.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkcat1 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Japanese names

• The current version of the page is the most correct, containing the Japanese names as listed on the game's original release. Leave the page alone. Danny Lilithborne 12:20, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
  • The descriptions of the character are too "unoffical". Something need to be done about it.T-1000 01:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
    • Uh, these descriptions came with the original packaging. How much more official do you want? Danny Lilithborne 02:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
      • I hadn't even realised they assigned titles to the characters like that in the Japanese version until I read this article. That doesn't make it any less official in my eyes, since I know the stateside console release wasn't the end all be all for the game itself. It does seem slightly inconsequential whether the titles are listed there or not though. It serves as a decent tribute to trivial knowledge but a simple list, sans titles would also suffice just the same. TheMonkofDestiny 19:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
        • I suppose. I think it's useful information to have here, but I can't fight majority rules. Danny Lilithborne 19:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Clash of Superheroes?

I noticed this and am wondering, is it the aforementioned or "New Age of Heroes" (as is mentioned constantly by the announcer during the opening title sequence for the game)? TheMonkofDestiny 12:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

• A persistent editor kept changing it to "Clash of Super Heroes", which is the subtitle of the first MvC game. I somehow missed it. It's fixed now. Danny Lilithborne 19:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Current article

• User:Classicgamer's additions are useful, but should be rewritten to take a more neutral tone. This game is not unpopular among casual gamers; the problem comes when casual players attempt to fight people experienced at the game. The learning curve is very high and demanding for competitive game, which led to its decline. It's still played quite a bit in the United States. Danny Lilithborne 06:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

• So, you slap a big ugly red stop sign at the top of the page? Interesting way you go about things... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Classicgamer (talk • contribs)
  • It's a marker that says the neutrality of the article is disputed. It's a standard and valid template often used in Wikipedia. Danny Lilithborne 06:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Another comment; I'd fix it myself except I'm completely exhausted tonight. If an editor hasn't patched it up tomorrow, I'll do it myself. Danny Lilithborne 06:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I'll fix it myself. This isn't anything paticularly vexing that an immediate and slight clean-up won't fix. -Zero^Talk 08:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Unlockable characters

• An anonymous user recently marked certain characters as "unlockable", a change I reverted mainly because different characters are available from the outset in the console version than in the arcade version, and it would probably be very cumbersome to distinguish them from each other. Am I right in my thinking? Danny Lilithborne 06:58, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

External Links

These links refer exclusivly to competitive gaming so they were removed:

• ArcadeScrubs.com (Singapore's Marvel vs Capcom 2 community)
• FightersGeneration.com
• Shoryuken.com (the online center of competitive Street Fighter)
• Evolution Fighting Game Championships (largest annual fighting game tournament in the Western Hemisphere)

and X-Men video games on Marvel.com only refers to x-men games and was removed.--Balloonguy 19:00, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

• To have a section about competitive play, but no external links, doesn't fly. JuJube 10:07, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Competitive Play

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 was the game at the center of the competitive fighting game renaissance in the United States, associated with websites such as Shoryuken.com. Previously, competitive fighting game tournaments were generally informal and regional affairs, with players of relatively greater skill only found in metropolitan centers such as Los Angeles and New York. The prevalance of the Internet, especially broadband connections which facilitated the distribution of game videos, allowed for a far greater and faster sharing of "best practices" causing the game to evolve exponentially faster than before. A new technique would be discovered and disseminated, then a counter technique might then be discovered and disseminated. This process was greatly encouraged by the fact that for the first time, the home version of the game was identical to the arcade version of the game.

Part of the interest in hardcore competitive fighting game tournaments may have been due to the nature of the game as well. Early tournament videos revealed that the techniques that the major metropolitan players were using were far more advanced and "game breaking" than ever thought of by regional players. At a time when players were focusing on performing long aerial chain combos with small characters, early masters such as Duc Do would be creating a barrage of projectile attacks by constantly calling in assist characters, many times never allowing the opponent to get a hit in. Whereas before these radical strategies which arguably were based on design flaws would be banned in regional tournaments by house rules or an honor system, during this period fighting game forums on the internet quickly spread the ideology that "anything goes" because the competitive aspect of the game was its primary purpose. With more players being dedicated to winning fighting game tournaments, more techniques were discovered in this game and others since.

This section was removed for being unsourced. While it is true that this section was unsourced, a lot of it sounds like it was true. Some of the stuff that is exclusivly about competitive gaming needs to be removed, but the rest should be kept. I've scoured the internet looking for references but found known, so I moved the text here.--Balloonguy 20:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe if you word it more truthfully, it can be in the article. Something like...

Marvel vs Capcom 2 is a fun, arcade button masher, that isn't suitable for competitive play due to the many unstoppable exploits that can be repeated mercilessly throughout a match. However do to the popularity of the Marvel characters, Capcom's inability to produce anymore good original fighting games, and the exploits popularized by the internet, the game became very popular among the "Script Kiddies."

It was among this time that these players figured out all of the cheap exploits on the internet and decided to hoard internet forums like shoryuken.com and whine and cry about "Anything Goes in competitive tournaments" because cheating is not important to them as long as they win (these players would later plague most other video games as well, particularly online games, ruining the experience for everyone else, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_cheating [1])

Though the game is still popular among the "Script Kiddies," it is only rarely played competitively at legitimate fighting game tournaments, due to the many exploits. The game is featured annually at EVO 2K, one of the smaller, lesser known competitive game tournaments that allow "anything goes" matches, even seeking out games like Marvel VS Capcom 2 and refusing true competitive fighting games like The Dead or Alive series, due to the fact that it's too easy to counter cheesy repetitive moves.

It is at EVO 2K, where the same 3 players, who were never heard of before Marvel VS Capcom 2, compete annually for the grand prize, utilizing only the top 5 characters and cheapest exploits to try to "out-cheese" each other. These 3 players then go home and hide in the corner of their local arcade, practicing their cheap moves, until the next year, when they resurface to try and claim the prize once again.

Meanwhile, other players play real fighting games...

• Spoken like a true scrub... JuJube 04:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems like the MvC2 page ought to have a section (or a side article) about the MvC2 competitive scene. My main interest in MvC2 is as a spectator of the world-class players. The game has dozens of seemingly game-breaking moves and glitches that somehow converged at high-level play into a highly balanced game using the 4 god tier characters, which is pretty fascinating in its own right. If the competitive section is removed because it lacks sources, then I guess we need to find some sources. The documentary "bang the machine" might be a good place to start. Brzrkr0 (talk) 21:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Original research

• Because Capcom is no longer licensed to produce this title (or any joint-Marvel productions), the game is no longer in print. This licensing abnormality, coupled with the resounding and unexpected commercial success of the title, has created an unusually exuberant demand for the game. This phenomenon has in turn culminated in an unprecedentedly resilient and considerable market value, as best evidenced by pricings at Ebay and Amazon. Depending on the home platform, a used copy can go anywhere from $50.00 to over $160.00.
• Digging through home versions of the game with hacking tools turns up a few bits hinting that some code is shared between it and Capcom vs. SNK 2.

These both seem to be original research so I moved them here. --Balloonguy 20:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

dude clicking on Ruby Heart dossnt do anything —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.106.238.215 (talk • contribs)

• Ruby Heart and Amingo are characters created for the game. Their articles redirect to this article. JuJube 04:51, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

mech zangeif

You forgot mech zangeif as playable character —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pag3lee (talk • contribs) 15:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• He's not a playable character. Zangief can transform into him. JuJube (talk) 05:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Arcade release date

• The article lists that the arcade version came out on December 31, 2000, well after the console versions. I can say with no uncertainty that this is wrong. Forum posts and FAQs exist all over the place by American players that were created well before 12/31/00. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that IGN is wrong. I'm working on finding a source with the actual arcade release date. JuJube (talk) 13:48, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Reception

I just re-alphabetized the list (someone messed it up) and noticed that there's nothing in Reception. Can some add/re-add/undo the edit that deleted it? Thanks. Alex.liu064 (talk) 22:47, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not finding any evidence such a section existed. « ₣M₣ » 22:48, 26 November 2010 (UTC)