Talk:Marvel's Midnight Suns

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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 04:48, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that in the upcoming video game Marvel's Midnight Suns, players will be able to create their own superhero in the Marvel Universe? Source: [1]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Symphony No. 4 (Mahler)

Created by SoWhy (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 27 August 2021 (UTC).

• The article is long enough and new enough with no copyright violations. The hook is directly cited. SoWhy, a QPQ is needed. SL93 (talk) 00:21, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: ping me if they don't respond within a bit, I'll donate a QPQ. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 02:22, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for the offer but I'm on it I just didn't expect the review to happen so fast Regards SoWhy 08:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@SoWhy: of course! works for me :) theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 18:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

@SL93: QPQ added. Regards SoWhy 11:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. This is ready. SL93 (talk) 01:27, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

To T:DYK/P5

Midnight Sun and Wiki

Will this have its own Fandom Wiki and will this video game have its own page on the Marvel Fandom Wiki? CarverSindile (talk) 03:18, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@CarverSindile: Fandom is a separate website that hosts wikis, so you need to ask the editors on those wikis. For what it's worth, wikia:marvel:Marvel's Midnight Suns already exists. Regards SoWhy 19:52, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

@SoWhy: I know its a separate website but I asked here because I couldn't find the Fandom wiki for the video game (which mostly like means it hasn't been created yet) but I wasn't sure. Regards CarverSindile CarverSindile (talk) 20:47, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 19 December 2023

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The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 09:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

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Marvel's Midnight Suns → Midnight Suns – I had previously made this WP:BOLD move thinking it would not be uncontroversial, although as it seems it is, I am now making a formal move request discussion, stemming from a separate RM at Talk:Spider-Man (2018 video game). While "Marvel's Midnight Suns" is the WP:COMMONNAME, the redirect Midnight Suns, which already redirects to this article and differentiates it enough from the comics team the game is based on, Midnight Sons, is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and as such, no further disambiguation of "Marvel's" is necessary, and is not used for the likes of Iron Man VR, Blade (upcoming video game), but is used for Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy and Marvel's Avengers (video game) (and I realized should be used for Marvel's Spider-Man), given WP:SMALLDETAILS and WP:NATURAL. The difference between "Sons" and "Suns" should not dissuade us from using the actual common name as the article's title, especially when hatnotes and redirects exist to serve navigation aid for our readers. Trailblazer101 (talk) 08:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppese The current name is the WP:COMMONNAME. Lightoil (talk) 04:24, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  Yet "Midnight Suns" is the more common of the two, as most readers would be directly looking for that title than the one starting with the "Marvel's" branding. WP:NATURAL explains "Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred. To echo comments from Talk:Spider-Man (2018 video game), Marvel's Midnight Suns is not an ambiguous term, though neither is "Midnight Suns", as that is not used by any other article for a title and both are not ambiguous. It's the same case as for why we use Rogue One as the title and not Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, the main title is first-and-foremost unambiguous and clear enough to be the PRIMARY name of the subject, no further disambiguation (of "Marvel's", in this instance), is needed. WP:SUBTITLE also states "When the most commonly used name is ambiguous, the full title and subtitle might be suitable to be used as a form of natural disambiguation." and while one could argue "Marvel's" is enough to differentiate the game from the comics, the clear distinct verbiage for this game's title over the comics one is enough for the simpler title to be used for this article, and for a hatnote to point to the comics article rather than retaining an unnecessary and unnatural disambiguation for this. Trailblazer101 (talk) 04:53, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose "Marvel's Midnight Suns" is clearly the common name used in most reviews and mentions of the game in RS. Simple as that. It's the devs, not us, who are using that to distinguish the name of the game. It's also not a subtitle. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:30, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

  Subtitles can come in many forms, not necessarily a title after a colon. Fast & Furious Presents is the subtitle of Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw. William Shakespeare's is the subtitle of William Shakespeare's Romeo + Juliet. Reloaded is the subtitle of The Matrix Reloaded. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose This seems to be a case of WP:CONCISE, where we usually prefer the shorter name if it is precise and unambiguous. However, from a news search online, "Marvel's Midnight Suns" does appear to be the overwhelmingly common name used by sources, so it wouldn't do any harm to include "Marvel's" even if disambiguation isn't strictly necessary. WP:SUBTITLE does permit the use of subtitles if it is not commonly omitted. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:14, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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