Talk:Marmalade (band)

1st paragraph

1. I changed "The Marmalade" 1967 to "The Marmalade" in 1967.

2. "A later version of the band (from 1974)" - why isn't the year 1974 mentioned later in the article? This statement seems not validated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.125.90.119 (talk) 13:20, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

These two articles appear to be about the same band. Shouldn't all of the information be covered in one article? Josh3580 (talk) 18:06, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree - totally.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 18:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Without any notable dissention, these pages will be merged by the end of this year.

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 23:33, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Support It as about the same band. Vanjagenije (talk) 01:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Scandal

The group didn't come to a standstill for refusing to play old hits, it came to a standstill because of this public scandal, as mentioned by George Harrison on the Dick Cavett Show in 1971:[1]70.29.79.11 (talk) 01:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

• Totally incorrect - the group continued well after the October 1971 newspaper expose, with at least two further hit singles in the UK, Europe & S America in 1972 - The band came to a standstill probably because as reasoned in the article, but also because of an inevitable time/life span - the majority do.

Junior Campbell 1st October 2010

References

This article suffers from a shortage, or complete lack of, references covering the periods 1961 to 1967 and 1976 to date. It is notable that the outfit probably fails to reach the minimum requirement of notability during these years. Perhaps these two issues should see that amount of coverage reduced, to more accurately present an overview of the notable time span of the group (over which there is no argument, or lack of supporting references). For another example, listing numerous band member changes (also largely unsourced) over the decades is undue weight. Derek R Bullamore (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

I also feel that some of the references used in this article are problematic. I've tried to do some minor cleanup, i.e., adding templates, fixing date formats per WP:CITEVAR and fixing dead links per WP:LR#Site search. These were just formatting changes for the sake of consistency. I did, however, notice that a few of the sources cited seem to be user generated ones which might not satisfy WP:RS. IMDb and other self published sources are typically not considered acceptable for inline citations unless they satisfy certain conditions. In addition, the Glorydazemusic stuff here and the 45cat stuff here also both appear to be self-published stuff and pretty close to original research, so their accuracy might be subject to question. I didn't remove any of the sources because I thought it best to discuss my concerns here first. Thanks in advance. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

The Original Band and later versions of the band

This article mainly pertains to the original band between 1966 and 1972 - the most recognised successful period for the band in terms of worldwide record success. Subsequent members should be acknowledged - but lengthy detail should be listed within their own separate page avoiding undue weight.

Justthefactspal (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

"Marmalade" or "The Marmalade"

Is the name of this band Marmalade or The Marmalade? The article says the band changed it's name to the Marmalade, but then eventually dropped the The. That's fine, except that some of the studio albums, references, and sources used for this article give the name as The Marmalade. The band's official website makes no mention of the dropping of The on the band's history page so it seems like the name has always been Marmalade. However, on the same website there is a link to a tour poster from 2013 which lists the band as The Marmalade. If they did drop the The, then the article should be more specific as to when (i.e., the year) they did it. Just to say they eventually dropped it is too vague in my opinion. The article cites this as a source for this dropping the The, but there is actually no mention of it at all. In fact, it says Walsh's first order of business after signing the group was a change of name, from the Gaylords to Marmalade. - Marchjuly (talk) 16:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Further adding to the confusion, the Wikipedia page for the band's most famous single Reflections of My Life lists the band The Marmalade. This song came out in 1969-70 which means that as late as 1970 the band was still being officially referred to with the The. - Marchjuly (talk) 21:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

To be slightly more specific, "Relections of my Life" was issued in November 1969, when the record label clearly cited 'The Marmalade'. Conversely "Falling Apart at the Seams (1976) lists the outfit as simply Marmalade. "Our House Is Rockin'" (October 1973) used Marmalade. If this helps !

Derek R Bullamore (talk) 21:47, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply Derek. So, it seems that the name was officially changed sometime between November 1969 and October 1973. Do you know if there's a way to find how the band's name was listed on the singles released in between those two dates? If that can be done, then maybe the date of the change can be pinned down. That has to be better than just simply saying eventually dropping 'The' , especially since the source used to cite that particular sentence does verify it at all. Something like this should be properly sourced; Otherwise, it seems pretty close to being original research. If the date of the name change cannot be pinned down, then that source should be replaced by a citation needed template. For example, {{citation needed|reason=reliable source needed for when ''The'' was dropped from the band's name|date=March 2014}}.- Marchjuly (talk) 00:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps this may be a pointer... from many actual record company label images freely accessible on the web, the band's final release on Decca, was “Radancer", released March 1972 and this is credited as "The Marmalade" as were all prior CBS and Decca releases. After various original members had drifted away in the early 1970s, the first new evolved version of the band was contracted to EMI in 1973 and their first release “Wishing Well” was credited as “Marmalade”, as appears to be the case on all subsequent recordings released thereafter. I suggest it safe to assume then that 1973 is when the band dropped “The” from all Marmalade record label and performance credits. For clarity I have tried to summarise this within the Discography section of the article but if agreeable would appreciate guidance regarding formatting Citations — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirpercyblakeney (talk • Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 10:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)sirpercyblakeney

Addendum

if you search images for The Marmalade “Radancer” and/or The Marmalade “Wishing Well” the band name credit change is clearly visible

Radancer https://www.discogs.com/The-Marmalade-Radancer/release/1396939

Wishing Well https://www.discogs.com/Marmalade-Your-Wish-Is-In-The-Wishing-Well/release/6560285

Whether this is WIKI viable for citation is for more experienced WIKI editors than me to decide Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 10:47, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

No, we're not allowed to use discogs.com are a source as it uses "user-defined content", even though I have found it to be about 99.5% accurate and even though in this case it's showing record labels. I often use 45cat.com as an alternative, although this might also be banned I suspect, see e.g. label images here. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much for responding and for your direction. The alternative source you mentioned appears to show the same label information.

http://www.45cat.com/artist/the-marmalade I am at a loss as how to progress this further to enhance the article but thanks for your help. Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 13:11, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Looking at the source it would seem that the change occurred some time between 17 Mar 1972 and 11 May 1973, which also saw a move away from Decca back to CBS. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I have tried to address this in a revised opening para in the article, but despite the various web images of the actual label copies concerned, it seems I have no acceptable base for a citation to support. The next move may well be to try and source actual Decca and EMI 45rpm catalogue releases for the periods in question .... any help from anyone prepared to delve would be appreciated ... I have attempted this myself but so far it is a no hoper..... It would be nice to nail this ... it is a question often asked ... The Marmalade or Marmalade? Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC) Sirpercyblakeney (talk) 15:41, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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"Hall Pass" Movie.

Their song, "Reflections of My Life" is heard in the closing credits of the movie "Hall Pass" from 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AZRickD (talk • contribs) 14:59, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Undue Weight

A contributor continues to place a lengthy Timeline section in the article which adds undue weight. I have removed as this "Timeline" summarises information which is already predominately dealt with in the article. Request to cease, please Justthefactspal (talk) 12:37, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's any strict policy that prevents this. Personally I find timelines very useful, whether or not the same material is included in the prose. If it's only "predominately dealt with", that suggests the timeline adds something extra. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey! I'm the one who added this timeline in the first place. Such articles are common on wiki pages for bands and artists and Marmalade have had enough lineup changes that I believe a timeline is a substantial addition to the page. In addition, you are the only one complaining about this and deleting it without consensus, only using the vague phrase "Undue weight" as reasoning. As others on this talk page have supported such a timeline being in the article, I believe it should stay. Sparkysilverfish (talk) 04:56, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey! I get it ... so, in fairness, let's make it even "weightier" ... The article opens with "Marmalade are a Scottish pop rock band originating from the east end of Glasgow, originally formed in 1961 as The Gaylords". The article also notes that the recognised major commercial success of the subjects of the article was between 1968-72. so why don't you then include "The Gaylords" within your timeline? This period included at least four of the recognised members who went on to be the main part of the commercial success listed, and surely should be part of a timeline rather than itemised details of obscure membership some fifty years later, considering the last final original member departed almost eleven years ago? ... surely All or Nothing. Not a critique, just a constructive suggestion in my view. thanks Justthefactspal (talk) 00:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

next time you're in there, editing the timeline, can you please- for me, a fender VI owner- add a dark blue "bass" stripe for patrick fairly? the two bass parts are clearly audible on many recordings of the time, & this oddity of their orchestration is mentioned in the article. the six-string bass was popular as an adjunct to bass-fiddle & even precison bass parts as it helped define the bassline on small speakers such as portable radios. even elvis had six-string basses, including a special model gibson 1275 with six string bass alongside guitar. so.

duncanrmi (talk) 20:51, 11 September 2023 (UTC)