Talk:Mark A. Lemmon

Removal?

This edit claims that information was removed by switching templates. However, on examination, it appears that no inappropriate removal ensued; the switch largely reduced redundancy and improved accessibility. The three exceptions were Norwich, which is a grammar school only and so not typically included for scientists; similarly NYU, which was a postdoctoral position only; and the PhD, which is not an award. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@Duncan.Hull: Again, the PhD is not an award and there is no problem with removing it from |awards=; the other entry is already represented in |honorific_suffix=. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:13, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Nikkimaria: an employer is an employer, regardless of it being fixed term (postdoc) or permanent (academic). Like I've already said several times, I would appreciate it if you were much more careful than you have been when switching templates. Your edits are also removing birth_names, for a canadian example of how names are usually done see Justin Trudeau, his birth_name = Justin Pierre James Trudeau and his name = Justin Trudeau. I can't understand why you keep reverting these birth_name edits? Duncan.Hull (talk) 08:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Not really, no - we don't treat learning positions like student assistantships or postdocs as equivalent to full professorships. Like I've said several times, your reverts are detrimental and add unneeded redundancy. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello @Nikkimaria: thanks for the clarification. I'm not arguing that postdoctoral positions are equivalent to full professorships, merely that they are both forms of employment (fixed term or permanent) and can legitimately be included under a workplace or employer item in an infobox, see the employer property in wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P108. The infobox template documentation suggests workplaces = "Key work places, universities, companies, etc". Ask any full professor, they'll consider their postdoctoral positions as being a key part of their career history. BTW, could you explain who the "we" in your previous comment refers to? Duncan.Hull (talk) 21:28, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

"We" refers to the general practice employed on Wikipedia, and presenting both forms of work under the same parameter is effectively presenting them as equivalent, which you agree they are not. The Wikidata property definition does not apply on English Wikipedia, and such discrepancies often cause problems when using templates here that draw from data there. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:33, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

OK, lets leave the wikidata debate for another day because that's a different can of worms. In the meantime I'd suggest (as Template:Infobox scientist does) that workplaces = "Key work places, universities, companies, etc" should include significant places of employment, which for the subject in question WOULD include postdoctoral research. Not saying they are equal, just that for some subjects, postdocs positions are a highly significant part of their career historyDuncan.Hull (talk) 22:17, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

When none of the Royal Society, Yale or UPenn bios mention it, that seems a pretty good indication that for this subject, it's not. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)