Talk:Marinka, Ukraine

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At approximately 06:00hrs, an SMM unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) observed intense shelling targeting an intersection of the H15 highway 3.5km south-west of Marinka. The UAV spotted four 2S3 Akatsiya 152mm self-propelled howitzers 9km south-west of the town at 15:30hrs.

source: http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/162116

2A02:810C:380:DFC:7C58:E758:5836:A784 (talk) 10:45, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

External links?

• Ukraine fears invasion, Reuters, 5 June 2015 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pietade (talk • contribs) 21:21, 5 June 2015 (UTC) UNIAN attributes these photos to Marinka. —Pietadè (talk) 21:40, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Opinion -- not neutral

This is the second time Ive had to remove this., Please do not reinstate it.

"Video footage showed outgoing artillery fire originating in residential areas in Donetsk held by the rebels, directed at Ukrainian government positions, a violation of both the Minsk II agreement and Geneva Conventions. "

according to an earlier diff this removed material came from http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/03/can-anyone-stop-putin-s-new-blitz.html

1: it is not for WP to say what violated the Geneva Convention 2: the link this originally came from was an OPINION article, also not qualified to pronounce on the Convention. 3: opinion articles don't qualify as Reliable Source.https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SOURCE&redirect=no KoolerStill (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

1. It's not WP who says that the Geneva Convention was violated, it is the source. 2. Actually it may be. 3. They might, although they should be attributed. Read WP:RS again. Btw, your link is broken.Volunteer Marek (talk) 21:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Geneva Convention is a matter of law. You cannot quote a columnist's opinion as fact about a Geneva Convention violation. The item was not even a discussion of the GC but a throw-away line in brackets. Same applies to the comment about "soldiers sent by Kremlin". Additionally these issues are irrelevant to a "news" paragraph about a brief battle. KoolerStill (talk) 19:09, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

For Wikipedia, it's a matter of sources. Which you are removing.Volunteer Marek (talk) 04:10, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 29 April 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:56, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Maryinka, Ukraine → Marinka, Ukraine – The page was moved without discussion when the WP:COMMONNAME in English is Marinka per Battle of Marinka, Marinka Raion, etc. The move needs to be discussed as, if it's deemed to be appropriate to use Wikipedia's Ukrainian BGN/PCGN transliteration system, it should apply to all articles surrounding the town and region, as well as articles where the name is used (including the "War in Donbass" articles). – Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:29, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

@Iryna Harpy: This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

• Rename. The article was originally at "Marinka, Ukraine". A user moved it without discussion to "Maryinka, Donetsk Oblast". I intended to move it back because it seemed a controversial move, but I mistakenly moved it to "Maryinka, Ukraine". I support moving it back to the original name. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:53, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Rename as nom. There has been a bit of noise raised about this at the Battle of Marinka talk page, but no convincing evidence for changing the name. Nevertheless another editor took it upon themselves to make a unilateral move for that article, also (which I've reverted). If it wasn't obvious before, it should be obvious now that not all editors think that the name should be changed. Moving articles to new name spaces while RM discussions are under way is not only disruptive, but is plain disrespectful towards the community. The editors moving these articles are disregarding both a consistency in nomenclature, and have adopted a WP:OWN attitude to these articles. There is no obvious change in the nomenclature according to WP:RS simply because the short-lived battle is over and done with, and nothing more has been written about it since the time that the articles were written and the nomenclature adopted. Unless there is an obvious shift is nomenclature, there is no reason to change any WP:TITLEs other than as a matter of personal taste. Personal taste is not a constructive rationale. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:25, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support – Page should never have been moved away from the stable title. Per WP:UKROM and WP:P-NUK, we use the Ukrainian national system for the romanisation of place names, and in that system "Marinka" is how this place is romanised. RGloucester — ☎ 13:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2023

Change marynka was to marynka was and will soon again be a city in Ukraine 2A01:B340:64:E496:1D4D:7DD3:3CFA:1EC5 (talk) 19:58, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please read WP:EDITXY and WP:NOT. M.Bitton (talk) 22:30, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

State of the city

@Ymblanter What do you mean with "Ghost city is no official status in Ukraine"? I've got multiple sources confirming the city is entirely evacuated of civilians and a ghost city. It's entirely destroyed. It's merely a description of the state of the city.

https://www.nzz.ch/international/ukraine-wie-russland-die-stadt-marjinka-dem-erdboden-gleichmacht-ld.1725188 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-entertainment-96dc8bf5ea5338e5f5d77c00f5706394 https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/4/7374910/ https://ca.style.yahoo.com/destruction-seen-disputed-ukrainian-town-113554042.html Zerbrxsler (talk) 15:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

I do not see "ghost town" or "deserted city" in the sources, see WP:OR. Also, the buildings are destroyed, the infrastructure is destroyed. Mellk (talk) 16:53, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mellk "Apart from soldiers, the town has been entirely evacuated because there is no way for the civilian population to live there" (AP)

"It has become a ghost town in the middle of the front line." (Euronews/DPA/AFP/AP)

https://de.euronews.com/2023/02/24/glockengelaut-fur-die-toten-ukrainer-begehen-ersten-jahrestag-des-krieges

"Now, it’s deserted, except for the soldiers still fighting. The buildings have been razed." (National Post)

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-marinka

"Marinka no longer exists, AFU Stratcom wrote, according to a machine translation, “The occupiers left nothing alive from the city [...]”" (Storyful/Yahoo)

"No civilians remain in the city of Marinka in Donetsk Oblast" (Ukrainska Pravda)

"The civilian population has long since left the place." (NZZ)

I don't get what you want to say. My sources confirm what I edited, and the city is entirely destroyed. How am I not allowed to edit? As far as I can see from the talk page, protecting request was denied, did that change? How can I edit this article if I'm not allowed to? Zerbrxsler (talk) 21:59, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

It can be mentioned that the civilians fled, but ghost town has a specific meaning. Please read the page about the sanctions carefully, it says: Only extended-confirmed editors may make edits related to the topic area. Mellk (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@Mellk What about my sources that say it's one, or deserted? Zerbrxsler (talk) 14:06, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Also per WP:GS/RUSUKR you cannot edit in this area anyway. Mellk (talk) 16:57, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 March 2023

Please remove the russian pronunciation of Marinka. Ukraine is not russia, providing russian pronunciation reinforces imperial narratives. 176.120.97.2 (talk) 22:15, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Clearly no consensus, while a little bit of POV -Lemonaka‎ 13:39, 8 March 2023 (UTC)

New image needed

This is not an article about the past.

Suggest image like this [ [1] MBUSHIstory (talk) 15:53, 25 April 2023 (UTC)