Talk:Mandy Moore/Archive 2

Depression

I was surprised to see nothing whatsoever about Moore's disclosure of clinical depression. Figured it'd be under Personal Life, but I guess not.... Fifty7 01:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

In Jane magazine she said that she was depressed, but later in an interview on the View and some radio station interviews she clarified that she was merely "down" and "sad" and she was never diagnosed with clinical depression. --Jeclone (talk) 03:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Problems with Rachgreen's edits aside, it may make sense to have some mention of her history of depression since she has discussed it prominently in interviews. Didn't see also do some sort of fundraisers for teens with mental illness? JoshuaZ (talk) 03:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Suggested addition to be added under personal life:

Moore has battled with depression which she discussed in an interview in the February 2007 issue of Jane Magazine.[1].

If that's ok with people I'll clean up the ref and add it in. JoshuaZ (talk) 03:27, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Could go under 'personal life'. Yet, I'm not convinced that the admission amounts to a clinical analysis, or is even worth mention. Has she talked about this in more than one interview, is there indeed a history, or is there documentation that she has struggled with chronic depression? A one-off mention in an interview sounds like a thin basis for inclusion. JNW (talk) 04:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Please delete any reference to depression in Mandy Moore Article- Hello. This is Rachgreen. Please delete any reference to Mandy Moore's depression from the article, including any in personal life. I realize that if she herself reads this article, it might hurt her to have a depression reference mentioned. Thus, please respectfully remove any mention of depression out of respect for her privacy.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Rachel Green. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachgreen8326 (talk • contribs) 16:05, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

External Links

You know, how funny that you guys cant post up Mandys fansites on here, but you can post up stupid articles under external links. Since you people are so adament about posting "official" links, why not just keep HER official links on the external pages?? If not, then if you are going to include stupid articles in her external links, then you should scrap your crappy official links policy and start allowing her fansites to be posted. You also allow people to edit things on here, but once they do, and correct something you people remove it?? If you dont want people to edit information and to put up stuff that is accurate, or to add external links, then take off the edit feature, because it makes you all look like hypocrits!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.92.97.41 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 25 April 2008

Fashion career sounds reads a written ad

Sounds like an ad someone wrote. Someone please check into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.196.226.242 (talk) 03:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Religion

Is "American Roman Catholics" and "Jewish".... ¿? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.137.131.59 (talk) 03:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

In the category I have noticed a contradiction, on the one hand it is said that Catholic Roman, and for other one that is Jewish, is a problem is that I could not practise two religions in parallel, or is of one or other one, not of the two. --190.225.36.212 (talk) 23:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is with the mother. It states that she is of English and Jewish ancestry which leads us to believe that she is quarter Jewish right (her father's ancestry relates the other half or two quarters)? Unfortunately, if her mother was 'half Jewish' because her mother (Moore's grandmother)was a full Jewess, with her father (Moore's maternal grandfather) contributing the other half, then Moore's mother is FULL Jew. If this is true then that would make Mandy a full Jew too in so far as Jews consider themselves Jews-matrilineal ancestry. I know it's f-ed up...blame the Jews. However, that whole ancestry nonsense is just that-nonsense. It is meant to make her 'appear' multicultural so that every group can claim some affinity towards her and therefore maximize her popularity which in turn maximizes the corporation's profits that own her. The coup de grace is the whole Indian ancestry. Almost every upper-middle class American claims some level of 'Indian.' I remember growing up and every white kid talking about how they have some 'Indian' in them. See if you have some Indian in you then you must be open minded or something...lolz...99.55.174.192 (talk) 19:16, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

my edit here was bogus

acclaimed should be removed from the first line of this article. someone's sleeping. Phil E. Transplant '08 00:41, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Announced Movies

I do not know where you guys get your info, but the movies you have listed for Mandy as announced are totally false. I know someone who knows Mandy personally who has confirmed the information to be false. She has not confirmed, or has had any interest in doing those movies. Since you people do not allow people to edit, you might want to go and remove those, since you guys are so interested in wanting accurate and "official" information.

Also, how stupid are you people, that you do not allow her fansites to be listed on the External links, but you will have various stupid articles listed there?? You have this BOGUS policy that ONLY official sites can be listed, but yet, fansites are not allowed to be posted, but stupid articles are??? Whatever...Since when are THEY official?? THEY are not. They are common articles that can be found in magazines and other places on the net.

Stop being hypocrits. If you dont want people editing your site, remove the feature. If you dont want fan sites to be added, and only want OFFICIAL sources to be added, then DONT add stupid articles to her External links. You guys have already proven to post up falsified garbage that is not officially announced and just based on hearsay...If you want any credibility, you should be more concerned about getting accurate information from ACCURATE sources instead of biased, rumor based hearsay.

03:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC)jj1973Jj1973 (talk) 03:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC) 03:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

It looks like the vandalism has picked up quite a bit over the last couple of days. I'm wondering if the Mandy Moore article should be semi-protected. Caden S (talk) 13:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm afraid that the statement saying that Scarlett Johannson was in the "candy" video and its source is just a joke... I've just saw it and it doesn't proof anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.224.209.20 (talk) 06:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

That's nice. And your point is what exactly? You don't like the source? Caden S (talk) 09:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

It is a joke... What about removing the reference? Otherwise we can also state there were robotic breast implants on the video.

213.22.164.79 (talk) 21:59, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Well then fix it GOOF. Caden S (talk) 22:58, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Unnecessary information

The following appeared at the end of the article:

Her parents, Don and Stacy Moore, are currently seeking a divorce, and recent reports state that the reason is that Stacy left Don for another woman. It has also been reported that Mandy has stated that if her mother is at her older brother Scott's upcoming wedding, Mandy won't go to it. The latter part is just rumor, though the divorce and reasons behind it have been confirmed by other family members, some of which have been alienated by this and previous actions.

If it has to be included that her parents are divorcing or are divorced, then make it succinct. A soap opera recount is totally unnecessary, especially the sort that is dizzying and badly-written. I have henceforth deleted this bit.Doctorqui (talk) 01:32, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Only the artist should appear in the main phothttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/79/Button_reflink.pngo. A photo of her and a fan can be placed further down but the main picture should be just her. It can be a bit confusing at first sight. New picture please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.52.215.112 (talk) 11:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Why don't you find a better image and add it? Caden S (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

If you can find a free image, then by all means, add it and replace the current one; but remember that fair-use images should not be used to portray living people nor should replace an existing free image. Acalamari 21:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

"There is such a thing as over-wikifying you know...."

Anyone want to tell me if there's some reason why the dollar sign in the "A Walk to Remember" section is wiki'd? That's like dropping a rock in the middle of an article about chocolate and making a link to it. -~~

User:Amaraiel, you need to sign with 4 tildes (~~~~), not 2. Anyway, I can't seem to find what you're talking about. I don't see any dollar signs wikified in the Mandy Moore article, nor on the article for A Walk to Remember. Could you point it out? SKS2K6 (talk) 03:57, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I know about the tildes. Sorry about that. I've had a long time off from being super-anti-wikivandal, my wikiskills are rusty. Anyway

The film was moderately successful, bringing in $41 million in the United States,[54]

The '$' right there is wiki'd. (laughs) I don't want to make a big deal about it, but I just had to say something about this. --Amaraiel (talk) 04:12, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Featured article?

How this article was promoted to featured status is beyond me. This article is full of copyrighted images that do not need to be there, such as her album covers and her fashion line logo. The main picture of Moore has a watermark that should be removed. The Cosmo cover I'm not so sure of, because I doubt her unease about the magazine's headlines was that big of a deal (although I may be wrong). The Britney Spears article doesn't have her album covers (and each of those albums are WAY more successful than Moore's albums combined, mind you), because they each have their own articles where it is appropriate to add the cover art. Does anybody pay attention to Wikipedia:Non-free Content? --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 01:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Mandy Moore was promoted to featured article status two years ago, and the article was different then to what it is now. I agree that some work needs to be done to ensure that it retains it's featured article status. Acalamari 02:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Unless anybody has good reason to object, I'm removing the album covers. The Cosmopolitan magazine cover and the Mblem logo are something to be discussed, so I won't remove them yet. I also feel the personal life section is a bit too detailed on trivial things, such as including every man she was linked to, the length of time she dated Ryan Adams before marrying him (e.g This shocked many as they dated for exactly one year while her past relationships were one and a half to two years long. Who cares? People have married after knowing each other for a much less amount of time. And that weasel statement has no source.) --Whip it! ^{Now whip it good!} 02:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I recommend FA review for this. The article should not be featured at this point. It has numerous issues. One of the easier ones to fix is that the images are not placed properly in the article and cause the format to be wonky. Enigma^msg 06:57, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I just came here to post similar concerns. I have started the FA review process, but I can't complete it as I'm an IP user. 71.227.179.189 (talk) 19:01, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

My protection

I've just semi-protected this article for a week. I don't normally do this, as I have made a lot of edits to this page, but after a sudden sock attack with some very nasty vandalism (it was not an edit-war or any sort of content dispute), I decided it was worth me protecting it. I decided to mention this here for transparency. Thanks. Acalamari 23:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

On Jewishness

I take issue with the following: "Moore's father is of Irish and Cherokee descent, and her mother is of English and Jewish ancestry." It makes little sense to say that she is of Jewish ancestry, given the context. Stating that Moore's father is of Irish and Cherokee descent, and that her mother is of English descent is to provide clues as to the genetic background behind her physical characteristics. Whereas it is true that today Irish, English, and Cherokees comprise some diversity in physical characteristics (that is, what we might call race), it becomes less true the further back in history one goes. Thus it is plausible (although, of course, not necessarily true) that her Irish and English background provide her with somewhat fairer features and that her Cherokee heritage with darker ones.

But what of her Jewish "ancestry?" Judaism has been practised by genetically diverse groups of people for thousands of years. Is she of Eastern European Jewish ancestry? Of Spanish? Of Arab? Without that level of specificity, adding Jewish to that sentence makes little sense. Was she raised in the Jewish tradition as she was the Catholic? If so, the place to mention her relation to Judaism would be in the same place as her Catholic heritage. At the risk of belaboring the point, it would make as much sense to say that her mother was of English and Muslim ancestry, or of English and Buddhist ancestry.

This is a complicated issue to which the above paragraphs have done little justice. The Wikipedia page on Jews (to which the Moore page links) is of little help here as well, and a misreading of could understandbly lead to an error in which ethnicity (which most strongly refers to culture) and race (which most strongly refers to physical characteristics) are conflated. A people who make up a single race may be of a variety of ethnicities, and those who share an ethnicity may be of a number of races. One more point on this issue--if mentioning her mother's Jewish background is meant to illuminate her ethnic (which is to say, cultural) background, then how do mentions of her father's Irish and Cherokee and her mother's English lineage contribute to that understanding?

Casusbelli (talk) 02:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"Jewish" is frequently cited as an ethnic background on Wikipedia (much like Cherokee, or, Romani, it does not refer to a country of origin). The Jewish ethnic divisions article mentions that it is "considered one single self-identifying ethnicity". As for which particular country Moore's Jewish ancestors came from - that could be added to the article if there's a source that mentions it (people often simply state "Jewish" as their background without referencing a country). As for the religion she was raised in - that is Catholicism - but that's a separate topic, and is stated in the article. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 04:21, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

With all respect (and I mean that sincerely; I know text cannot accurately convey tone, but I really am trying not to be a d*** about this) Wikipedia (or any encyclopedia) is not always the best source for complicated topics that require nuance and extended explanations and definitions of terms. That said, even given the Wikipedia definition of ethnic group ("a group of humans who identify with each other through a common heritage that is real or assumed") it still doesn't make sense to include "Jewish" in a sentence that is primarily outlining her genetic origins. Interestingly enough (and sticking to the Wikipedia definition of ethnicity), whereas all Jews may claim a common ethnic identity (or heritage) much like all Christians might or all Muslims, within that broader ethnicity are several discrete and highly differentiated ethnicities. One need only observe the historical segregation in Israel between the Ashkenazi and Mizhrahi Jews to understand this distinction. It is thus fairly unhelpful as well as incorrect to place a reference to Jewishness in that particular sentence unless Judaism or cultural practices peculiar to a particular Jewish ethnic group were a part of the life of Moore or her mother, as Catholicism clearly was. For example, if true, it might be useful to say that Moore was raised in the Catholic religion, but also celebrated aspects of Judaism in recognition of her Mother's family's religion.

And to address your points directly: Yes Cherokee does not refer to a specific country, but the Cherokee people, as a result of relative isolation until European colonization, have maintained a highly recognizable genetic line with phenotypic expressions such as dark hair, brown eyes, and dark skin. To a similar extent, this is also true of the Irish and English (although the history of colonialism and immigration mean that a British citizen may be of any race, much like in the States). Thus it is useful to say that a person is Cherokee or Irish or English and to guess what such a person may look like. In any case I argue that this is the intent of that particular sentence, and not that Moore was influenced by Cherokee, Irish, English, and Jewish cultures. Without any descriptor modifying Jewish (e.g., Eastern European, Arab) I will continue to remove it from the sentence unless a more cogent argument for its retention is proffered. Casusbelli (talk) 05:52, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I think the simple fact is that "Jewish" is widely regarded as an ethnicity, at least on Wikipedia. The article you cited, ethnic group, states "For example, to call oneself Jewish or Arab is to immediately invoke a clutch of linguistic, religious, cultural and racial features that are held to be common within each ethnic category". The article Ashkenazi Jews is included in the category Category:Ethnic groups in Russia (as well as Category:Ethnic groups in the United States and Category:Ethnic groups in Israel), for example, and there are articles like Jewish ethnic divisions and Secular Jewish culture and Atheist Jew and so on. If you want to have a debate over the veracity of Jewishness as an ethnicity, those articles and others like them would be the place. I do not understand the phrase "I will continue to remove it from the sentence". As long as the article Jew starts off with the sentence "the Jewish people are an ethnoreligious group " (with Ethnoreligious group being defined as "an ethnic group of people whose members are also unified by a common religious background" on its page), it's as valid to mention Moore's Jewish ancestry as it is her Cherokee, Irish, and English. The debate you want to have doesn't belong on this article or talk page. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 07:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm gonna have to agree on this. The issue may be debatable, perhaps (I am certainly no expert on this), but would a Mandy Moore article be the best place for such debate? SKS (talk) 07:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

she was on 4 episodes of greys anatomy.

she was in the 2 part episodes were the shoot out happened and she returned in the next season in the documentary type episode where she died and her last appearance was on the next episode she did not have any lines but she was there.where Bailey was looking at her dead body.Which means the actress was there when this was filmed which means she was on 4 episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.47.243.38 (talk) 10:12, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Marriage not listed on sidebar

Hi,

I am just wondering if anyone knows why Mandy Moore's spouse is not listed under the sidebar under her picture? It is the same on her spouse's, Ryan Adams, page. I do not know enough about editing Wikipedia pages to fix this, but thought someone else might!

Thanks, Stltsll (talk) 05:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)Emily

The templates used in both do not support the marriage or kids option. Only the gray templates do. ToriJana (talk) 21:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Page format

I have noticed that the page has recently been switched from the Life & career format to the "early life", "career", "personal life" format. Why is this, when other artists such as Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera feature the "Life & career" format page?

Too Much Rotten Tomatoes?

The page seems to give far too much paragraph space (and relatedly, lots of superscripts for the citation footnotes) to the Rotten Tomatoes reviews of the films she's been in, and the films' box-office revenue, without any detail on how her own particular performance was critically received. This to me seems entirely irrelevant. If there was a critical statement in a review about her performance directly, it is worth including, but the sentences that make up the Tangled section (for example) are all completely unrelated to Mandy or her performance, and other films' sections are similar in irrelevance. Acroyear (talk) 18:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Gossipmongering and tabloidery

Wikipedia is not a compendium of celebrity hookup reports. This article has been mercifully clear of such tabloid fodder, but yesterday one user, who makes no attempt to discuss or seek consensus, dumped a laundry list of such reports, several rather dodgily sourced, into the article, right down to a "romance" of a few weeks when she was 15 years old. This claptrap doesn't belong in an encyclopedia, and certainly not in one whose policy regarding biographies requires that it "Avoid repeating gossip," that editors "Be wary of sources that use weasel words and that attribute material to anonymous sources," and that articles "must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid". Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 01:44, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I've reverted the page back to the latest stable version. The dispute should be discussed here, here, or here. Dusti^*poke* 02:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Get your panties out of a bunch Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, you're certainly one to talk about not discussing issues when you're indiscriminately deleting edits going solely by your own opinion. As for a "laundry list of tabloid reports"? What the hell is your problem? This is an encyclopedia article about a person's life, in a section called "Personal Life". This is exactly the sort of place where reports of prior relationships belong, not just a line informing Moore is now married to Ryan Adams. None of the relationships are "tabloid claptrap from anonymous sources", all are confirmed, widely known high-profile relationships which were all a significant part of Moore's life, none of which lasting "a few weeks when she was 15 years old", but rather a year. The shortest romance included is the one she shared with Adam Goldstein, which lasted a few months but which has certainly impacted her in a major way. Every other article about a person I see on Wikipedia says who the subject has shared his life with. If it's perfectly acceptable that a Britney Spears article talks about Justin Timberlake, Fred Durst, Jason Alexander, Kevin Federline, Adnan Ghalib and Jason Trawick, a Jessica Simpson article talks about Nick Lachey, Tony Romo and Eric Johnson, and a Christina Aguilera article talks about Jordan Bratman and Matt Rutler (which it is), there is no reason whatsoever that a Mandy Moore article wouldn't mention Andy Roddick, Zach Braff or Wilmer Valderrama. By the way, I'm sure The Chicago Tribune and Mandy Moore's mouth would appreciate being called dodgy sources. Happy Evil Dude (talk) 06:58, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

I am a regular volunteer at the Third Opinion project. The guidelines of that project say, "Before making a request here, be sure that the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. 3O is only for assistance in resolving disagreements that have come to a standstill." The request for a Third Opinion in regard to this dispute has been removed because a single objection and single response is not a thorough discussion, nor can it hardly be said to have failed to come to an agreement. I will note, however, that under the Consensus Policy that it is the obligation of an editor seeking to introduce material into an article to obtain a consensus for its introduction if the introduction has been opposed by another editor. As for the other articles which may include similar information, each article at Wikipedia stands on its own unless there is a policy or guideline requiring or prohibiting certain content. Beyond those procedural observations, I express no opinion about whether the information should or should not be in this article. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:49, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

As I already noted to Happy Evil Dude on my talk page when I removed the same gossip-laden information from Emily VanCamp: "Wikipedia is not a gossip site, nor a repository for listing failed relationships. Perhaps you have confused this encyclopedia with whosdatedwho.com? Significant long-term relationships that are reliably sourced (i.e. not fodder for tabloid and gossip publications such as US Weekly and the Daily Mail) can be included if there is consensus that it's inclusion is both notable and not giving WP:UNDUE weight to an area unrelated to the subject's notability. You appear to have a penchant for adding this type of gossipy chatter to biography articles. If that is the case please don't be surprised when your edits are challenged." That note applies equally to the disputed content here as it does at the VanCamp article. --Jezebel'sPonyo^{bons mots} 17:25, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Who is talking of a "repository for listing failed relationships"? There is a section in the article called "Personal Life". The only thing in this section is that VanCamp is currently dating Josh Bowman. Is Bowman the only person she has dated? No. She previously had long term relationships with Chris Pratt, Dave Annable and Joseph Morgan. None of these relationships is a secret, none is rumored gossip. All have multiple sources, pictures of them kissing, VanCamp talking about it. Pratt, Annable and Morgan talking about it. Why is Bowman relevant, and adequately sourced, but not the others? Why are the Mandy Moore and Emily VanCamp articles to be scrubbed free of everything relating their sentimental life while articles of the large majority of other public figures at the very least mention notable relationships, if not go into detail about them? Happy Evil Dude (talk) 20:23, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I have a question. It may be noobish. What makes Mandy Moore's past relationships notable? Her present one is, by virtue of that fact that it's the present one. Did something major/notable happen in her past relationship(s)? Shashwat986 → talk 09:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Photo caption

"moore often performs stripped down versions of her old songs", probably true, but not sourced, and not an appropriate caption for a photo where we dont know what she was singing. im not a fan of captions like this, that are not directly related to the image.(mercurywoodrose)76.254.34.61 (talk) 06:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

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Height

Mandy Moore, we know, she is 5'10.0" It should be noted that this is really tall for a girl, so the you go, she is nearly six feet tall. I am 5'11' and weigh 200lbs. It's like this is something that most people don't know and it should be easy to recognize why, she is full figured and very beautiful, like Marilyn Monroe was. On top of that, it's interesting to see that it is part of what makes people who they are, their height. I just needed to clarify for reasons unknown, but you might want to reconsider some of the banter in the article "describing" Mandy. Just to let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:301:7751:160:E0DB:4F40:FB38:E3A0 (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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