Talk:Malabathrum

Indian Grocers

I have always found true Malabathrum leaves at Indian grocers. The person who wrote the statement about getting laurel leaves mislabeled as tejpat at some Indian grocer may live in a region where they are unavailable...

The verification of the article name is needed.....

All I can find is this http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Malabathrum+Cinnamomum+tamala&hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&start=0&sa=N --222.67.201.53 (talk) 01:43, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Cultivar verification.....

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/121498494/abstract --222.64.222.129 (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Indian bay leaves

Citation: "They are often erroneously labeled as "Indian bay leaves," ..."

I would suggest: "They are often erroneously labeled as "bay leaves," ..." And I would sugget to list the name "Indian bay leaves" as correct in the first paragraph, because this is the term widely used in recipes translated from Hindi to English. Nobody uses the somewhat awkward word Malabathrum as ingredient, some say tejpatta, some say Bay leaves, which is wrong.--Stanhopea (talk) 12:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. DrKiernan (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

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Malabathrum → Cinnamomum tamala – There are multiple common names for this plant, and malabathrum is not the most common. Tejpat/tejpatta is used in various South Asian languages, and is the most commonly used name on English language webpages. "Indian bay leaf" is the most commonly used English name. Malabathrum is an archaic, Anglicized version of the classic Latin malobathrum. Per WP:FLORA, the scientific name Cinnamomum tamala is the most appropriate title for the article about this plant.Plantdrew (talk) 03:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

This might be one of those cases where it is appropriate to have two pages, one about the plant (definitely to be called Cinnamomum tamala), and one about a name that applies to several plants. Unfortunately, the sentence "The name Malabathrum is also used in mediaeval texts to describe the dried leaves of a number of trees of the genus Cinnamomum, which were thought to have medicinal properties." has no citation, but it could be central to a page called Malabathrum that shouldn't have a taxobox. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Good points. The Latin dictionary here:([1]) suggests "betel" (=Piper betle? Areca catechu?) as another possible source of malobathrum, so it's not necessarily just Cinnamomum. If the articles are to be split, should a move still go through first? Edit history and talk page pertain mostly to C. tamala rather than the plant(s) classically known as malabathrum. I'll proceed with a split if a move to preserve history is not needed.Plantdrew (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Because it is all so mixed up, I don't think that the talk page needs to move to C. tamala, that could be considered a new page. Good idea to check dictionaries; after your split that suggests hope for building a helpful page for Malabathrum.

"There is also C. malabatrum accepted as a different species, a search for which gives some articles about using several wild species in chemical analyses, but not directly to a statement that those various wild species would be called malabathrum or a variant of that name. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 18:27, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Split article. I withdraw my move request. What should I do with the requested move template here? Delete it?Plantdrew (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Apparently not, nobody who has participated in the discussion is allowed to close the request, and it stays open for seven days. I think that what you'd done is a big improvement. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.