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"Originally, both expressions were sometimes used derisively, but the connotation has changed to a purely positive one"
Living in the Frankfurt metropolitan area, I strongly doubt that. They have not "sometimes" been used derisively, they have always been (and still are) used in that manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.72.129 (talk) 08:18, 22 October 2019 (UTC)Reply
