Talk:Magnus IV of Sweden

Weak king?

I think it is highly unfair to call him weak. He is, i think, the king who has inhabited the swedish throne the longest time. He was known for great interest in law and is the man behind the first swedish law that concerned all of Sweden. Before that each part of sweden had their own law. It was a great step into making Sweden one. And his nickname is more the work of a women called S:t Birgitta and absolutely hated the king writing letters and sermons absolutely dripping with hate against the king. She was the daughter of a noble but lived in Rome part of her life. Kurben 09:47, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added a few details about his last years as swedish king. Especially concerned the battle of Visby 1361. Also I corrected his deathdate. He died in 1374, not 1377. I also changed the year he ended to be king. I should be 1364, not 1363. Rebellion broke out in 1363 but that doesn't mean it had immediate success. Kurben 14:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Magnus IV vs Magnus II

Shouldn't we decide what to call this King? When you search for Magnus IV of Sweden, which is the name of the article, you land on a page that tells me that there are no such article and feel free to create one. I suspect it is a matter of links that has gone wrong some way when the article has been redirected. I dont really care what you call him (I am a swede myself and have always called him Magnus Eriksson)but it shouldn't be confusing. But if numbers are involved I only know of one King named Magnus before him and that was Magnus Barnlock ("Ladulås" in swedish). If he (Magnus Eriksson) was number IV who then were the two others?Kurben 16:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I've checked a little. I guess that Magnus I should be Magnus Nilsson (he ruled sometime in the 11,th century) and Magnus II should be Magnus Henriksson who ruled 1160-1161. In that case Magnus Barnlock was Magnus III and Magnus Eriksson must be concidered Magnus IV. I dont know how too fix the linking so it goes right but can somebody please see to it.Kurben 18:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

I guess just Magnus Eriksson or Magnus Eriksson of Sweden would be too simple? Fornadan (t) 00:16, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Magnus II of Sweden redirects to this article rather than to Magnus (II) of Sweden. This is inconsistent and very confusing. Top.Squark (talk) 19:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

He has never seriously been called Magnus II and the Swedish Royal Court officially lists 3 kings before him by the name. The only legitimate numeral he is know by as a Swedish king is IV. I am fixing the article lead now. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:39, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 22:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Coming of age and coronation

Magnus was declared to have come of age at 15 in 1331. This caused resistance in Norway... Magnus was crowned king of both Norway and Sweden in Stockholm. This caused further resentment in Norway...

Who declared him to come of age? Was it himself? Was his mother behind this, or some other noble? Was coming of age at 15 normal in Sweden? Who is behind the decision to make both coronations in Sweden? Top.Squark (talk) 19:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Place of birth?

Was he really born in Norway? Some sources say he was born in Stockholm.--Queen Elizabeth II's Little Spy (talk) 07:49, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

It doesn't seem that likely he would be born in Norway, as his father was Swedish. And that claim is not sourced in the article...--Barend (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be generally known that he was born in Sweden and that we do not know where in Sweden. Sorry, I cannot put my finger on any source to cite right now. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:21, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

19th century Swedish historian Starbäck comes the closest on this topic and writes that Magnus's parents were in Norway and that Magnus was born "the following year", but where is not mentioned. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Slavery

In the Swedish slave trade article, it is mentioned that "Slavery was initially outlawed in 1335 by Magnus IV of Sweden for thralls "born by Christian parents" in Västergötland and Värend", but that isn't covered at all on this page. Anyone know of some details on that? --65.96.119.186 (talk) 13:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Smek nickname

The "Caresser" nickname was given to Magnus in the 1450s because he appeared weak against the Danish. It implied that Magnus was a naive pushover that could be caressed with pretty words and promises(Smek does not exactly mean caresser, that would be Smekare, rather it means "caress"). Later in the 1800s, a historian named Erik Gustaf Geijer simply assumed that the nickname must have been because of the allegations of his homosexuality, as he did not know the contemporary meaning of "Smek". The real meaning of Smek was found in a latin source by professor emeritus in medieval history Olle Ferm, which he reveaead in his 2009 publication Kung Magnus och hans smädesnamn Smek. Historien om en faktoid, dess ursprung, akademiska lansering och spridning (King Magnus and his epithet Caress: History of a factoid, it's source, academic launch and spread). Besides, the Libellus de Magno Erici rege from around 1370 which was given as source for the epithet being because of his homosexuality does not mention this. --83.226.146.180 (talk) 19:31, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

A source was removed in favor of another, and motivation behind the Smek epithet was made exclusively one-sided as per the new source. I am reinstating balance, giving a new source and giving more clarity to the one, more well-known theory. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 22:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

PS Olle Ferm is relatively unknown as a historian. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:24, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

PS 2 Olle Ferm might be unknown for most Swedes, but he is a professor in middle age history at Stockholm University. He seems to be someone who knows what he writes about, when it comes to middle age in Sweden. Adville (talk) 23:53, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 May 2024

• Magnus IV of Sweden → Magnus Eriksson
• Magnus Eriksson → Magnus Eriksson (disambiguation)

– As suggested by the Google Ngram data, Magnus Eriksson is the WP:COMMONNAME for this king. The alternative names such as Magnus II (dab), Magnus IV (dab), Magnus VII or Magnus Smek are less common in Ngrams even though "Magnus II" and "Magnus IV" are more polluted by namesakes than "Magnus Eriksson". This move request is a follow-up to Talk:Magnus Ladulås#Requested move 26 April 2024.

An attempt to extract this king from his namesakes by including the country as a specifier gives the following results in Google Books:

• "Magnus Eriksson" Sweden: 5340 results, mostly about this king
• "Magnus II" Sweden: 2820 results, mostly about this king, only a few are about "Magnus II Henriksson". In many are of these the name is given as "Magnus II Eriksson".
• "Magnus IV" Sweden: 1.730 results. In many are of these the name is given as "Magnus IV Eriksson".
• "Magnus VII" Norway: 1670 results

This also supports the primacy of "Magnus Eriksson" as the name.

The second move request is about determining the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Magnus Eriksson (currently a disambiguation page). There are only three other entries on the dab page, and the most notable after the king seems to be Magnus Eriksson (footballer, born 1990). Pageviews analysis for all the pages on the dab page shows that the king is currently about 4–5 times as popular as the footballer, and the other pages gather almost no traffic in comparison. This suggests that the king might be the primary topic by current usage (WP:PT1). The other criterion is long-term notability (WP:PT2) which clearly favors the king as the primary topic. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 21:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Just fine as is. Magnus Eriksson is too common a name for many other people. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:49, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

  The most notable ones are listed on the disambiguation page, and sv:Magnus Eriksson (olika betydelser) has a couple of extra entries that might be notable. Other Magnus Erikssons are not likely to be searched from WP, but from the phone book or LinkedIn. I do think the king is more likely than all the other topics combined [...] to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term (WP:PT1), and this I tried to substantiate with the above metric. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 09:33, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Magnus Eriksson is the clear COMMONNAME of this king (searching for Magnus with the birth and/or death dates to eliminate the recent namesakes provides an additional data point in favour of this). And the king is primary topic for Magnus Eriksson based on both usage and long-term notability. Rosbif73 (talk) 07:19, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I have also requested Magnus II of Sweden to be moved to Magnus Henriksson. Discussion is at Talk:Magnus II of Sweden#Requested move 18 May 2024. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 09:27, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Mellk (talk) 09:31, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Suggested name is also in line with most modern Swedish history writing. Andejons (talk) 20:29, 19 May 2024 (UTC)