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I had to revert a large potentially-rich set of edits due to promotional tone and copyright issues

Experienced editors are encouraged to dig through the copyright-resolved version and the current version or the copyright-resolved version and the immediate version which rolled back all changes and pick out anything useful and restore it, after rewriting anything that is in a non-neutral tone of course. Note: The "copyright resolved" version removed a section that was nearly 100% copied from another web site and it also restored the name back to Zieliński. The well-meaning editor changed it to Zielinski. Experienced editors are welcome to move the page if a page-move is justified. However, I would ask them to put a note on this talk page justifying the move, and I would encourage them to start a discussion first if the page move could be controversial (see WP:Requested moves for details). davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

W3e do not revert "promotional tone", we tag it. But I support your revert, because it was 100% unreferenced. Other thatn thta there is nothint bad in therms of information. In Wikipedia the term "promotional" refers to text which does not provide any factual information. That the person received awards is not promotional. That the person was listened a lot is not promotional. That he created much commercial music is not promotional, since it is description of his work. As long as the text is referenced to independent sources and devoid of WO:PEACOCK words and empty PR puffery, the article would be OK. by the way, Much of removed information may be found in the Polish article linked at the bottom. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

By the way: @Soundflower Edit:, what is your relation to Zieliński? Please read our conflict of interest policy. Staszek Lem (talk) 00:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

My name is Maciej Zieliński. This article is about me. Soundflower is name of my studio and nickname I am using at Wikipedia. There is no copyright violation as all the texts are created originally by me. It is possible that some of it was published, by I am the copyright owner. I would appreciate if you could revert at least parts of the article, especially Selected compositions, Filmography, and possibly other parts which sound neutral. From my perspective 90% of the article sounds neutral as it presents rough data and facts.

Soundflower Edit (talk) 17:58, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

That is very generous of you. However, anyone can pretend to be you. Wikipedia has a process for you to take material that is already published and which you own the copyright for and re-license it with a suitable license. Please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials particularly the section titled Granting us permission to copy material already online.

By the way, Wikipedia generally prefers that editors not edit their own biographies (see WP:COI and WP:PAID. However, you are more than welcome to make suggestions here, on this talk page. Just bear in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and all content must be verifiable, written from a neutral point of view, and not be promotional in tone, content, or amount of content. In other words, unless you are famous, any page about you will be rather small. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:20, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

To all editors with a conflict of interest in this topic

@Soundflower Edit: and any other editors who have a close connection to the subject of this article:

Please read WP:Neutral point of view, WP:Autobiography, WP:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, and Wikipedia:Paid editing disclosure.

Editors with a conflict of interest should not make substantial edits to this article. If you have substantial edits to make, please start a new section here on this talk page and use the {{requested edit}} template to get the attention of other editors. They will double-check your proposed changes to make sure it has a neutral, encyclopedic tone and otherwise adds value to the encyclopedia before making the edit on your behalf. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:43, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

References

{{reflist}} USUALLY appears only once on a page, in the references section. But the reality is, it shows all references up to that point in the page. There is an automatic "implied reflist" at the bottom of every article page that will show any references after the last listed "reflist".

The best way to use references is to use them "in line", see WP:Inline citation for details.

For references that are used more than once, you can "name" the references, like so:

<ref name=polmic>{{cite web |title=Maciej Zieliński |url=https://www.polmic.pl/index.php?option=com_mwosoby&id=243&view=czlowiek&litera=29&Itemid=5&lang=en |website=Polish Music Information Center |accessdate=1 October 2020}}</ref>

for the first use, then <ref name=polmic /> for each additional use.

For references that you haven't used as "inline citations" but which are actual references, the easiest thing to do is to have a separate "sources" section, remove the <ref> and </ref> tags, and put a * in front of it, so it looks something like this:

* {{cite web |title=Maciej Zieliński |url=https://www.polmic.pl/index.php?option=com_mwosoby&id=243&view=czlowiek&litera=29&Itemid=5&lang=en |website=Polish Music Information Center |accessdate=1 October 2020}}

For "unused" references, that is, a suitable reference which is not needed in the current version of the article, the easiest thing to do is either create a "further reading" section for those and format them as you would a "sources" section, or remove them and put them in a new section on the talk page, again, formatted as you would if they were in the article's "sources" section.

The formatting above is not the only way to cite sources, but it is an easy way to do it. See WP:Citing sources for more options.

I hope this helps. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 17:49, 11 October 2020 (UTC)