Talk:Machine Gun Kelly (musician)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2024

1) Please change Cleveland to Shaker Heights in the Musical Career/Origin section. He didn't originate in Cleveland. This is not accurate.

2) Please change Cleveland to Shaker Heights in the list of places he lived (after Chicago, Denver, ...) because he never lived in Cleveland. This is inaccurate.

References to MGK living in Cleveland should be clarified...Shaker Heights is a suburban city outside of Cleveland. Therefore, references to him living in Cleveland are not as accurate as they could be/should be. This is important context for a white rapper whose subject matter largely involves urban life, because he didn't live in the city he lived in the suburbs. If you've spent a lot of time in Cleveland, then crossed the border into Shaker, you understand this difference very very clearly and recognize its importance. Bobeckhart (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Not done for now: Shaker Heights, Ohio will call Shaker Heights a suburb of Cleveland and says that it is inside the city limits. This means it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that MGK is "from" Cleveland. Further, the reliable sources we have characterize MGK as being from Cleveland (see here). The only references I could find that used MGK together with "Shaker Heights" were just ones that mentioned the high school he went to (Shaker Heights High School). 〜 Askarion ✉ 18:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

I recommend you, literally, read the Wikipedia page for Shaker Heights. Just in case you don't, I'll paste the important first paragraph which clearly states S.H. is outside the city limits ("abutting") and was designed as a suburban retreat from the inner city. Btw, I'm from Ohio and haver been to Cleveland 50+ times and been to S.H. at least a dozen times and when you enter S.H. there's an actual sign that says you're leaving Cleveland and entering S.H.

Anyway back to the actual Wikipedia page for S.H. Here it is:

"Shaker Heights is a city in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, United States. As of the 2020 census, the city's population was 29,439. Shaker Heights is an inner-ring streetcar suburb of Cleveland, abutting the eastern edge of the city's limits. It is a planned community developed by the Van Sweringen brothers, railroad moguls who envisioned the community as a suburban retreat from the industrial inner city of Cleveland." Bobeckhart (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

When I read Shaker Heights, Ohio the first time, I wasn't sure if by "abutting" the city limits they meant from the inside or from the outside. I see now that Shaker Heights is a separate city from Cleveland (that article could use some copyediting, honestly). However, this doesn't solve the issue that reliable sources will call MGK a Cleveland native (including Cleveland Magazine, WKYC, Cleveland.com, the Grammy Awards, and seemingly even MGK himself, according to Billboard). I'm fine with another editor changing it to Shaker Heights if they disagree, but I'm still having trouble finding sources saying he is "from" Shaker Heights outside of mentions that he attended Shaker Heights High School. 〜 Askarion ✉ 22:22, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Addendum: Dayton Daily News and The Cincinnati Enquirer will say that he is from Shaker Heights, Ohio. His early life section could use some copyediting. I'll get on that today or tomorrow. But as for the "origin" infobox, I'm not sure; I'd have to find an editor who knows more, because reliable sources certainly characterize him as a Cleveland artist whether or not he grew up in Shaker Heights. 〜 Askarion ✉ 22:37, 14 May 2024 (UTC)