Talk:Ludwig Fainberg

New Article in the New Statesman

Here: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/world-affairs/2012/10/meet-leonid-fainberg-ultimate-ukrainian-mobster --Tiresais (talk) 21:20, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

The New Yorker magazine article

I remember reading an article about Fainberg in The New Yorker magazine years ago. If I can find the article, I'll see what can be added here. Famspear (talk) 02:07, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

The article about Fainberg was: "Land of the Stupid," by Robert I. Friedman, The New Yorker, April 10, 2000. Famspear (talk) 05:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives.

Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.[2]

Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment.

This policy applies equally to biographies of living persons and to biographical material about living persons on other pages. The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia rests with the person who adds or restores material, and this is especially true for material regarding living persons. Therefore, an editor should be able to demonstrate that such material complies with all Wikipedia content policies and guidelines.

Evenmoremotor (talk) 02:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Evenmoremotor

The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia rests with the person who adds or restores material

The burden of evidence for any edit on Wikipedia rests with the person who adds or restores material, and this is especially true for material regarding living persons. Therefore, an editor should be able to demonstrate that such material complies with all Wikipedia content policies and guidelines.

Evenmoremotor (talk) 03:47, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Evenmoremotor

I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cit

I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative 'I heard it somewhere' pseudo information is to be tagged with a 'needs a cite' tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.

–Jimmy Wales [3]

Evenmoremotor (talk) 03:48, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Evenmoremotor

Attack page?

This page could certainly use some cleanup and has WP:NPOV issues, but I don't see it as an outright attack page. People can and should go through this page and aggressively remove unsourced claims. If sources aren't added, the page should be taken to WP:AfD. But just because a page gives information on an alleged criminal that does not make it an attack page by itself. Oren0 (talk) 05:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

WP:BLP is pretty clear. It says to remove unsourced claims immediately, not just add citation tags for unsourced statements that have been there since the start. If reverted, I have no problem listing this for AFD. Right now, we have an article in which the only clearly sourced thing is that he was arrested and released. Even that he agreed to testify, that he was a part of organized crime, he went to Israel, all of that is unsourced and in my opinion would be a horrible thing if there's even a small chance it's wrong. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:59, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with editors OrenO and Ricky81682 that unsourced material should be delete immediately. Ironically, there is a body of reliable published information on this individual, including the article from The New Yorker magazine that I mentioned above, plus (if I recall correctly) the court record. I just haven't had time to go back and review the material.

By the way, he wasn't just "arrested" and released. You don't go to federal prison unless you're actually convicted of a federal offense. He was released from federal prison, not just from temporary custody (the footnote on his Federal Bureau of Prisons register number is in the article).

Anyway, I don't think anything should be re-added to the article until and unless I or some other editor can find the time to add citations to reliable sources for it. Famspear (talk) 14:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

~~I can't remember the source, but I recall reading that Fainberg was expelled from Canada for running a human trafficking ring centred in the Ukraine.~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Opusv5 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Panama

Is he still in Panama? TiberiasTiberias (talk) 13:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)