Talk:Love in Exile
Latest comment: 9 months ago by EggRoll97 in topic Requested move 17 July 2023
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Requested move 17 July 2023 edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 (talk) 04:35, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Film article at target page is bare and doesn't even appear to support notability at present. No apparent reason it should be PTOPIC out of this list. Would also support a case for Love in Exile (album) as PTOPIC if anyone else wants to make it, but I'm limiting myself for now as this seems more reasonable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 07:38, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
- Weak oppose, I observe that the nominator has recently created the article Love in Exile (album) so it's unsurprising that they may advocate to get it more visibility. That said, the other listings on the DAB do not actually have articles specific to this title, only links to associated individuals who do have articles. I don't see a compelling reason to remove the film as the primary topic at this time and having searched historic newspapers on the film, I would imagine that the assertion of this not supporting notability could be disputed. My !vote therefore is based on not seeing a reason to change the status-quo than expressly opposing disambiguating the film. Bungle (talk • contribs) 17:32, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, yes, I did make that article, but I also made the DAB page. The only reason the film is listed as PTOPIC on it now is because of its undisambiguated title which it had before I got here. It wouldn't be much of a shift in precedent since the DAB page was only made a few weeks ago. This is mostly about recognizing the lack of notability displayed by the film's article. If there are more sources to add then please do, especially if you're already searching for them, and perhaps the improvements you make will be significant enough to change my mind. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't hold much !vote conviction, especially as the current film article receives negligable views, so we can't argue to keep as the ptopic on that basis. The album seems to be one of several with that title, and creating a dedicated article does not necessarily increase it's weight, so to speak. The film, upon my cursory searches, could be expanded reasonably using historic sources, but that doesn't increase notability with it. I'm weak in this !vote so I could be persuaded otherwise, but I just don't see a need to change for now. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'm just confused, but now it sounds like you're arguing against Love in Exile (album) as PTOPIC but not necessarily against the actual move proposal I made. The case I'm making is that the film article isn't in a good enough state to be PTOPIC and the page should be returned to how it was when I made it before another editor moved the film to the top. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I wouldn't support your new album article as the primary topic, but I have been clear that my vote is otherwise weak and I don't see a compelling reason why the DAB should be the primary topic at this time. You have filled the new DAB page with many articles that link only to individuals who have some relevance to the term (which is permitted, I guess). The state of the film article is not relevant at all, but whether it satisfies WP:PTOPIC, and of that I am unconvinced, but neither am I convinced that making the DAB the primary is justified. May have been better to have waited a bit for the album article to establish itself and then assess it's readership to ascertain if there is then no clear primary topic. Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Does a dab page need to meet any requirements to be the primary topic? I thought that was just the default when no article stands out, hence my arguing that the film doesn't which it appears you agree with. Whether the album meets PTOPIC or not isn't even a question that's actually relevant to this request; I just suggested that it could be PTOPIC given how the article stands out in presenting notability of its subject, but that was an aside which is intentionally ignorable for the sake of this discussion. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I wouldn't support your new album article as the primary topic, but I have been clear that my vote is otherwise weak and I don't see a compelling reason why the DAB should be the primary topic at this time. You have filled the new DAB page with many articles that link only to individuals who have some relevance to the term (which is permitted, I guess). The state of the film article is not relevant at all, but whether it satisfies WP:PTOPIC, and of that I am unconvinced, but neither am I convinced that making the DAB the primary is justified. May have been better to have waited a bit for the album article to establish itself and then assess it's readership to ascertain if there is then no clear primary topic. Bungle (talk • contribs) 20:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'm just confused, but now it sounds like you're arguing against Love in Exile (album) as PTOPIC but not necessarily against the actual move proposal I made. The case I'm making is that the film article isn't in a good enough state to be PTOPIC and the page should be returned to how it was when I made it before another editor moved the film to the top. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:06, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- I don't hold much !vote conviction, especially as the current film article receives negligable views, so we can't argue to keep as the ptopic on that basis. The album seems to be one of several with that title, and creating a dedicated article does not necessarily increase it's weight, so to speak. The film, upon my cursory searches, could be expanded reasonably using historic sources, but that doesn't increase notability with it. I'm weak in this !vote so I could be persuaded otherwise, but I just don't see a need to change for now. Bungle (talk • contribs) 19:07, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, yes, I did make that article, but I also made the DAB page. The only reason the film is listed as PTOPIC on it now is because of its undisambiguated title which it had before I got here. It wouldn't be much of a shift in precedent since the DAB page was only made a few weeks ago. This is mostly about recognizing the lack of notability displayed by the film's article. If there are more sources to add then please do, especially if you're already searching for them, and perhaps the improvements you make will be significant enough to change my mind. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 18:33, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. If the current "primary topic" isn't a primary topic, then move the disambiguation page to the base location as a default position. A cursory web search does not show this film being in any way primary -- 67.70.25.80 (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nomination and 67.70.25.80. There are 11 entries listed upon the Love in Exile (disambiguation) page and, although only two of those entries have their own articles, there is no indication that the 87-year-old British film has retained such an elevated position in cinematic history that it dwarfs the combined prominence of the remaining 10 entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:17, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.