Talk:Living in the Material World/Archive 1

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Archive 1

<^>v!!This album is connected!!v<^>

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All song titles serve as redirects to this album, have their own pages, or have been placed at the appropriate disambiguation pages.--Hraefen ^Talk 23:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Rolling Stone Review

Latest comment: 17 years ago4 comments3 people in discussion

I added the five star rating to the Rolling Stone interview despite the lack of a specific score rating in the review. I'd like other users to read the review and give their input as to whether this is a 5/5 review. It's a rather spectacular review - I've only rarely seen something this deep, effusive, and glowing. And I feel as though including a score on the Wikipedia page is much more helpful than merely a link, and that we're qualified to approximate where not listed, when the implied rating is obvious (as sanctioned by consensus). 140.247.43.222 06:14, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Please see WP:ALBUM#Professional reviews. You should not represent reviews without an explicit rating as such. Rather you should summarize it with a term like "(favorable)" or "(very favorable)". Also note that magazine names should be italicized. I've reverted your change. --PEJL 10:07, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - I had a feeling the consensus-based approach to starred ratings was not an official Wikipedia policy. Did you, or anyone else, have a chance to read through the review? If so, how do you reckon we label it? Shall we quote one or two words, or write the generic "(extremely) favorable"? 140.247.252.50 05:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Nope, haven't read it. Using a standard phrasing like "extremely favorable" would be favorable, for consistency. --PEJL 13:14, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:LivingintheMaterialWorldalbumcover.jpg

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Pete Ham

Latest comment: 12 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

I see that Pete Ham is listed as a guitar player on this album. I'm wondering where this information was sourced from. Two official sources (George Harrison website & Official album site) do not have him listed. Can we remove his credit from this page or is there some documentation of uncredited playing on the album? Dan Hewins (talk) 14:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

The only reference I found was in Chip Madinger and Mark Easter: Eight Arms To Hold You – The Solo Compendium. 44.1 Productions 2000, ISBN 0-615-11724-4. p.439. It says: “Badfinger members Pete Ham and Tom Evans participated in sessions on October 4th and 11th.”. --84.142.165.143 (talk) 14:01, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Typo: John Barnham

Latest comment: 12 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Under personnel it says John Barnham – strings, it should be John Barham. If someone could correct that? --84.142.165.143 (talk) 13:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

GA Review

Latest comment: 11 years ago11 comments3 people in discussion

This review is transcluded from Talk:Living in the Material World/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Rp0211 (talk · contribs) 22:36, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose):
b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references):
b (citations to reliable sources):
c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects):
b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales):
b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

Infobox

Make sure the "Recorded" section is in chronological order; Locations of studios not necessary if they wiki-links to another article
Release date of "Singles" not needed, since it wiki-links to another article on Wikipedia

Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 08:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Lead

...and his mammoth charity project, The Concert for Bangladesh... → Different word choice needed for "mammoth charity project"
The album was Harrison's second (and final) chart-topping album... → Phrase "and final" doesn't need to be in parentheses
Expand the lead to talk about chart positions, international success, certifications, critical reception, etc.

Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 08:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Background

...but exhausted and frustrated in his efforts to ensure that the money raised would find its way to those in need.[7] → Change to "but left him..."
...and Apple proteges Lon & Derrek Van Eaton (“Sweet Music”) and to help promote the Ravi Shankar documentary Raga,[11]... → Put comma after "Sweet Music" and get rid of "and"
...had grown to “unparaleled” heights. → Fix spelling
...during which, he later claimed, he chanted the Hare Krishna mantra nonstop for days. → Verifiable?
...in the Prabhupada-inspired “Living in the Material World”[14] and “The Lord Loves the One (That Loves the Lord)”, and in “Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)” and “Try Some, Buy Some”[15][16] → Put more commas and less of the word "and"
...whereas many of his Krishna devotionals on All Things Must Pass had been filled... → Put year in brackets after album mentioned
...perhaps as a result of the Bangladesh experience. → Verifiable?
(Harrison himself gave 1972 as the year he started writing “So Sad”, a track dealing with the end of their relationship.[21]) → This does not need to be in parentheses
...one one hand... → This does not make sense
...both recorded in the first half of '72. → "'72" should be changed to "1972"
“I’ve been held up, I’ve been run down / I can see quite clearly now through those past years / When I played towing the line.” → This is not necessary
...as he later put it in I Me Mine.[29] → Specify year in brackets of "I Be Mine"

Will verify "Hare Krishna mantra nonstop" and "Bangladesh experience" at a later date. Everything else done. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 09:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Production

Address the issue with the image in this section as it is up for speedy deletion
(Spector would receive a credit for "Try Some, Buy Some", however, recorded in February '71 as part of Ronnie Spector's intended solo album.) → Verifiable?; Replace "'71" with "1971"
...and that the album was set for release on 20 December.[34] → Specify year of release
...sound found throughout The Beatles’ Abbey Road.[27] → Specify year of release for "Abbey Road" in parentheses
(The German vividly recalls recording his standup bass part for "Be Here Now" in a toilet there,[41] and footage included in Martin Scorsese's 2011 Harrison documentary shows the musicians playing at Friar Park.) → Does not need to be in parentheses, Is the second part of the sentence verifiable?
In this way, Nicholas Schaffner would write in 1977, "George devised a luxuriant rock devotional designed to transform his fans' stereo equipment into a temple."[1] → Combine with last paragraph of section

Will adress the image issue, and verify "Spector would..." and the second part of "The German..." at a later date. Everything else done. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 09:16, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Release

...April and May 1973 having already been set aside for the... → Add "with" before "April"
...Beatles compilations 1962–1966 and 1967–1970 and for Paul McCartney & Wings' second album, Red Rose Speedway.[48] → Specify year of each album release in parentheses
...Harrison's second US number 1... → Change to "Harrison's second number-one hit in the United States'
...was finally issued on 30 May in America (as Apple SMAS 3410) and on 22 June in Britain (Apple PAS 10006).[50] → Specify year; Information in parentheses not necessary
...on a religious procession through central London, on 8 July.[56] → Specify year of event

Done yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 09:20, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Reception

...began his highly favourable album review with an enthusiastic "At last it's here ..."[62] → Add period at end of statement
...than that which had greeted All Things Must Pass.[65] → Specify year of album release
More sombre in tone, Living in the Material World was distinguished by Harrison's philosophical and religious ruminations, making it clear he was in distress with the state of the world and where it was headed. Subsequently, the feeling in some quarters was that Harrison had lost much of the enormous momentum he'd had going for him since The Beatles' break-up three years before. → Verifiable?
...Living in the Material World to be a worthy successor to All Things Must Pass,[66]... → Put album year of "All Things Must Pass"
And George, God love him, had the temerity to actually oblige ..."[38] → Put period at the end of the sentence

Will verify "More sombre in tone" at a later date. Everything else done. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 09:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Cover artwork

Image needs to updated with a suitable fair use rationale
As he'd done with both All Things Must Pass and The Concert for Bangladesh... → Specify years of release for both albums
...at Paul McCartney, who had recently launched a fan club for his new band. → Verifiable?

Will verify "at Paul McCartney" at a later date. Everything else done. yeepsi (Time for a chat?) 09:29, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Reissue

On 26 September 2006, Living in the Material World was reissued on CD, limited edition LP and in a deluxe CD/DVD package by Capitol Records and EMI. The remastered album features two additional tracks, the B-side "Deep Blue" from the 1971 single "Bangla Desh", and "Miss O'Dell", the B-side to "Give Me Love (Give Me Peace on Earth)". → Verifiable?

Verified. Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Track listing

Source needed to verify all of the information in this section

Personnel

Source needed to verify all of the information in this section

Charts

No issues

References

Proofread your references, and make sure to include items for the "work=" parameter (if possible) and publisher (required)

After thoroughly reviewing this article, I have decided to put this article on hold. There are numerous issues, but they are all minor, which is why I decided to put this article on hold for good article status. I will give you the general seven days to fix these issues and/or address issues you believe do not affect good article status. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 23:50, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Since all of the issues have not been addressed and the seven days to fix these issues is over, I am going to have to fail this article for good article nomination at this time. There are still many standout issues that need to be addressed, and a peer review could help improve this article further. Once these issues have been addressed, however, you are more than welcome to put the article up for nomination again. Rp0211 ^(talk2me) 01:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

Latest comment: 11 years ago15 comments2 people in discussion

This review is transcluded from Talk:Living in the Material World/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: GreatOrangePumpkin (talk · contribs) 18:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Will take this too.--GoP _T ^C _N 18:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi GoP. Thanks for taking this one on board, and for your comments. Cheers, JG66 (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I enjoy reviewing all the Harrison albums. Will you work on Beatles albums ;)?--GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much, GoP, great to see this become a GA. Beatle albums? Hmm ... think I'd best reply on your talk page sometime about that one! Best, and thanks again. JG66 (talk) 10:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
"conspired to keep his musical career on hold for over a year.[2] " - I don't understand this phrase. I suggest you replace "conspired" with a different word
Well, it is correct English, a little poetic perhaps, I admit. This from my Collins Dictionary: "Conspire ... 2. (intr) to act together as if by design: the elements conspired to spoil our picnic ..." I would like to keep it if possible ("combined" might be an alternative, but I don't think it works as well). Given that dictionary definition, is it something you're insisting on? JG66 (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, a bit poetic, but not a big issue.--GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I suggest splitting the Background section and adding a new section, "Content" or "Compositiong and lyrics" or something similar, as most of the information does not deal with the background. For example you write a lot about the themes, especially in paragraphs 3 and 5.
Not sure I totally agree, but I've added the Content section heading as requested. JG66 (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, thanks.--GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"The German bassist" - whose name is... ?
Actually (and I'm sorry to keep questioning you each time) I don't think there should be any confusion here. The point about a "small core group of musicians" has been made two paras above, where Klaus Voormann has been introduced as the only bass player on the sessions. Also, having contributed recently to the Paul McCartney FA, I was surprised at how few names received any kind of introduction there; I really think the appearance of "Voormann" at the end of the previous sentence followed by "the German bassist" here (after the introduction two paras above) would be clear enough to readers. Again, is this something you're insisting on? JG66 (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I see now, thanks. It is ok as is.--GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

"London W1 address" - what is "W1"?
Have added a link to the London W postcode article − I think that should explain it? JG66 (talk) 16:40, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks.--GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Hold for 2 days.--GoP _T ^C _N 15:22, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Pass/Fail:

Pass Excellent as usual. Great teamwork with yeepsi! :) --GoP _T ^C _N 20:26, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

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