Talk:Live Together, Die Alone

Episode Numbering

Is their any guide for how we are numbering these epiodes? Live Together, Die Alone (a two hour episode is counted as 1 episode (#47) on wikipedia but on tv.com it is counted as two. This is because in future syndication and first release overseas it has been split up. On the DVD release it is broken up into two episodes. I vote to re number the episodes and break up this episode into 2, episode 47: Live Together, Die Alone (part 1) and episode 48: Live Together, Die Alone (part 2). This would also help to reduce the insane length of the plot summary which now is 5 pages long if put into a word document. Seantpainter 23:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Scene After Credits

Can someone provide a source for the "scene after the credits" mentioned in the article. I recall no such scene or discussion of such scene.

Article Heading

Shouldn't the blurb at the beginning of the article make mention of the fact that this episode is a second season finale and not just a season finale?

Trivia

looking at this

The computer entry log print out that Desmond found of the September 22nd incident appears to have a date format (ex. 922044:16) that differs from the format on the print out seen in "?" (ex. 41602059:29).

in "live together die alone" the readout is read as 22nd sept 2004 why cant the readout from "?" just be from an earlier date as in 16th April 2002?

A very valid point!

I think the point is that the number is a different length 61.68.166.225 06:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Whoa whoa whoa!

This entire article is totally speculation. The person even uses the "I" pronoun! I deleted it all, but pasted it here in case anyone wanted to see it. ShadowUltra 22:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC) Well, I was about to edit it, but someone beat me to it ;) ShadowUltra 22:09, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

it was copy/paste from another site, it's clean now (like all the other articles) --muhaidib-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 13:05, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

From what I read as of 11:30 p.m. eastern time, none of the events as yet to happen. I feel like deleting.--Janarius 03:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Website password

Can anyone confirm the use of the password on THF website?

I go to http://www.thehansofoundation.org/index.html#section=bios and type in "Inmate Asylum" in both of the "Login" fields, as well as typing blind into the "Password" field, and nothing happens.

Tried in both IE and Firefox.
--71.71.238.231 05:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yep, I did. It works for both. Are you on the Board of directors, rather than the exec page? Also, Inmate Asylum is the password. There is no username.
Rroepke 06:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I went to the BoD page. I click on the "password" field to get focus there, type it in even though I don't see anything, and then hit return. It doesn't change at all. (If I go to the "Login" field at the bottom and hit return, the clock will spin and I'll get "Sorry, unknown user."
--71.71.238.231 17:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I don't know then. I see it being typed in. Perhaps your flash has gotten a bug. It is the password, but forsome reason, the site isn't letting you type it in. Have you done all the other clues yet? I believe you have to do it in order for it to allow you.
--Rroepke 21:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

hello, it does work, go to the BoD page, and you will see the flashing cursor in the password box, type in "inmate asylum", i did it like that, then click on submit and it starts that 'experience'
--(Bigpapaboogaloo 07:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

Wife?

Was Penelope his wife? That was in the plot summary, but I don't remember that. I changed it to girlfriend, but I can fix if I'm proven wrong.
--Rroepke 07:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

She was engaged to be married to someone else while he was in prison. So I would imagine that they were not married since they did not get divorced and Pen would not be able to marry two people legally. Michaelritchie200 09:49, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Synopsis

OK. I may not be in the US, but I certainly know that more than what is written will have happened in the episode. Since I haven't seen it I can't complete the article, but is there a chance that someone COULD do it? For all us poor folk across the pond? Ixistant 09:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

He has a point... come on. We do Doctor Who for you almost instantly!

Yeah, there's not even anything mentioned about Kelvin drawing the map on the blast door, Kelvin's comments on the "fail safe" for the computer and what it would do, lots of stuff left out of this synopsis.

Oh, I'll get on it, if you want. I'm not signed up for this episode though. However, I have to watch it again to really get it.
--Rroepke 21:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Lookie! Someone has done it!
--Rroepke 21:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

About "hidden" password

Just checked source for http://www.hansocareers.com - there's no letter highlighting, someone made this up.

there is,, looker closer,,, for example on the Personal Assistant job look at "...molecular biology, Lacanian psychology, fluid mechanics..." --mo-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 13:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

it's a color difference. The highlighted is actually gray letters, while the rest is black.
--Rroepke 20:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Out of interest

Scene where Sawyer and co are shot by darts - whispers are whispering "Elizabeth." Is that not the name of Desmond's boat, and her who gave Desmond the boat/Hurley's love interest?

Are they definately whispering that though? Michaelritchie200 09:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

(OP) I've watched it another 4/5 times, and had family/friends watch it and they say the same thing.

Final scene

Can someone verify that the final scene in the tent in the artic-like environment was the first live scene to occur outside of the island for the entire history of the show. That adds to the scene's bizarre and somehwat revolutionary character (aside from the fact that there are apparently people in the real world who are looking for the island or something related to it, and that Desmond's girflriend is somehow involved)

I believe that (arctic-like environment) is Iceland because if you go to the hansocareers website they say that they have jobs in Iceland, so it could be a monitoring station of some kind. --mo-- (^Talk | _#info | ) 13:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I was told, by multiple people, that the men were speaking Portugese, with a Brazilian accent. Second, it might also have been a TV screen. But I don't know for sure. Look up the Philadelphia Experiment. That's my theory. Anyway, I'm not theorizing...any more.
--Rroepke 21:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Closed captioning identifies the language as Portuguese. --71.71.238.231 21:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Ta, then. However, it still doesn't explain WHERE they are. Is the veiw of the artic a window or a TV screen?
--Rroepke 21:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there any particular reason why the article says another plane crashes? This doesn't happen at all. ShadowUltra 20:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

The recap episode started with the tail section crashing into the water, and the article says another tail section…on some stations, the same three hours of TV repeats, and the recap + plus this ep = 3hrs. I watched past the credits and didn't see anything myself, so I'm taking it out until someone can confirm this thang. --Matharvest 21:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I've checked with several people on different forums, and none of them said they saw anything beyond the credits. ShadowUltra 01:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

One of the two Portugese-speaking guys is clearly played by Matthew Fox, and the other appears to be Josh Holloway. And while I'm not certain, I could have sworn that the "Ms. Widmore" they called from the listening post was played by Evangeline Lilly with blonde hair, not the woman who played Desmond's flame. This is being discussed on other forums; why isn't it being discussed here? 152.163.100.197 20:18, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but that's not Fox or Holloway. In the credits, you can see that Len Cordova and Alex Petrovich play Man #1 and #2 respectively. Polutlas 18:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

That would be quite cool if they were though. Even more confusing. And Penelope certainly isn't Evangeline Lily because she appeared earlier in the episode. Michaelritchie200 09:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Two Portuguese-speaking men

Are you sure that the men were speaking Portuguese? dposse 21:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

As noted above, this is specified by the captioning. Radagast 21:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm Brazilian, and there, in Brazil, we speak Portuguese, and I can tell that is Brazilian Portuguese, not the Portuguese from Portugal. The two dialects are very distinct from each other, like the English spoken here in the U.S. and the English spoken on England. Should we add that to the article? The men are probably Brazilian.--Morpheos 01:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Mention that they were speaking Brazilian Portuguese, but not specifically that they are Brazilian. We don't know that for sure. --Rroepke 02:01, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm also from Brazil and those men are NOT speaking Brazilian Portuguese. They have a very hard accent, mostly hard to understand. It sounds like they're not native Portuguese speakers. 08:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not uncommon for non-native speakers to be cast as native speakers, so the producers were probably banking on people not having any experience with Portugese. Still, as Brazil is about as close to Antarctica as Portugal is to the northern polar regions, it's hard to decide of which nationality the men at the end are (particularly if our Brazilians are in disagreement about the accents which, fellas, might differ within Brazil). Diocles 09:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am from Brazil and I am 100% sure that they are not talking in a Brazilian Portuguese accent. That accent cannot be found anywhere in our country. It is pretty hard to understand what they're saying, in fact I think if there were no subtitles in English, I wouldn't understand everything they said. Portuguese people said that they were Brazilians because they speak different than the Portuguese; Brazilians say the same, inverting the positions. As a Brazilian, I can say that some sentence constructions they use in that scene are more like in the Portuguese way to do, such as "estou a fazer" instead of "estou fazendo" (I'm doing), and I think the opposite is also true. So, I think we should add a trivia entry saying that the language those men are speaking is Portuguese, but the accent is strange for natives from both Brazil and Portugal, hinting that they might at least not be native speakers. What do you think? Ultranol 13:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I'll add it. Unless there are objections? --Rroepke 19:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I didn't write the previous post, someone logged into wikipedia using my account, I've changed the password. I am indeed Brazilian, but I haven't seen this episode yet. I ask you not to take "my" last post seriously. I'm sorry.--Morpheos 15:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

But there are more than just two dialects of Portuguese. Sure, there are two main ones, but there are others, and they could have been using another kind of Portuguese. It is of course possible that the creators of Lost was just lazy and thought that the audience wouldn't notice or care. dposse 20:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

I am Brazilian too, and i'm sure they didn't speak in Brazilian or Portuguese accent. I don't remember the line, but one of them said a verb like in portuguese, without grammatical conjugation (in Portuguese this happens, and not in English). I agree the producers didn't cast nobody just for the accent.

Well, I am Portuguese (from the "remote" country of Portugal, heh). I still haven't seen this episode, but can you please write what they say in this discussion? I'll check if it is Portuguese from our country.

I've finally watched this episode and the two men can be either Brazilan or Portuguese, but either way, the actors have an American accent which make it difficult to realize the characters nationality. So I think the line on the trivia section that says that the Portuguese spoken by the men is strange to Brazil and Portugal should be removed, since it can be either one.--Morpheos 22:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

"Eles vão a matar a gente" ("They are going to kill us", not subtitled, when the other guy starts to open the notebook right before saying "We didn't miss it") is closer to the portuguese usage than to the brazilian one (where we say "Eles vão matar a gente" or "Eles vão nos matar").

But it still feels like they simply translated the script in Babelfish... OneLeggedNinja 04:56, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I´m also a native speaker of Brazilian Portuguese and I felt they were foreigners trying to emulate Brazilian Portuguese, not European Portuguese. Their grammar and vocabulary choice is typically Brazilian, though I too feel the dialogue weird and artificial. I think "European Portuguese" should be removed from the text, replaced by two men speaking Portuguese (probably Brazilian"), Anyway, most feel it´s closer to Brazilian than to European, maybe the two men have something to do with the choice of a Brazilian actor, Ricardo Santoro, to play a Brazilian named character, Paulo. Maybe.Cpom 02:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, that accent isn't Brazilian Portuguese, and probably not European Portuguese either. I think it's an African variation. They are probably speaking an African Portuguese, so I think the article shouldn't say that they are brazilians. The simple fact that we aren't sure shows we shouldn't put something like that there. Anyway, I don't know if this is related to the Brazilian character from the third season, played by Rodrigo Santoro (not Ricardo).--Kaonashi 01:31, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The bird that said Hurley's name

The bird that said Hurley's name was also seen in "Exodus", and it said Hurley's name then too. Wasn't sure if a) anyone had noticed and b) it should be mentioned. It doesn't seem to be mentioned on the Exodus page either. — AnemoneProjectors (talk) 18:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

Requested move for:

• Live Together, Die Alone (Lost) → Live Together, Die Alone
• The Glass Ballerina (Lost) → The Glass Ballerina
• Whatever the Case May Be (Lost) → Whatever the Case May Be

Discuss/vote here --`/aksha 03:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. -- nae'blis 20:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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stupid tag

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Live Together, Die Alone/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

This articles GA nomination has been placed on hold, as there are several issues that need to be resolved before it can be promoted to GA: -

• The reference given for the filming locations is the Lost Virtual Tour fansite. This is not a reliable source, and an alternative reference really needs to be found.

Removed, I could not find an alternative reference --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Reviews from TV Squad and filmfodder.com are also not notable. Reviews from more notable sources need to be find, such as published televion guides and magazines or website that are notable in the way that IGN is.

Replaced with a reference from Entertainment Weekly. --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• Further, a negative review may also help make sure the article meets neutrality standards.

Added criticism of Charlie. Tell me what you think! --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

• The lead should contain at least a sentence on the shows reception.

Added --Mr.crabby ''''' (Talk) 15:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I would like to say that this article does have a very well written plot summary, and the production section is good except for the issue with the reference. The image required a fair use rationale, and this has been provided. There should also be references after direct quote and this has also been modified.

This article will be watched for 7 days, and if no improvement is made by then nay be failed. Good luck! Million_Moments (talk) 14:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass

Ok I am now happy to pass this article :) The lead did need slight expansion, just an extra sentence about reception. It's a shame to lose the shooting locations, so I would say that future improvements that could be made to the article would include an expansion of the production section. I don't know if there are any episode commentaries on the DVDs but these are usually a useful source of information. I would also include as many notable reviews as possible. Congratulations, and keep up the good work! Million_Moments (talk) 19:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Reference to Season 5

MILD SPOILERS FOLLOW

About 28 minutes into the first episode (episode 23), Sayid, Jin and Sun on the boat see the statue of a giant foot. This is most likely the remnant of the statue seen in Episode 5x8. Should we mention that anywhere? We could also just mention the foot without mentioning that there's more clues to that in a later season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithcoriel (talk • contribs) 12:36, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The song's breakdowns are also actually written in-key the series' mythic numbers (4 8 15 16 23 42).[7]

What on earth does this mean? It does not make sense. A key would refer to what note would be the tonic, this can't be a number. It does not make muscal sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.100.154.127 (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

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