Talk:List of unarmed African Americans killed by law enforcement officers in the United States
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Rename "African American" to Black edit
Hi, as I mentioned in the deletion discussion, sources usually seem to refer to "Black" rather than "African American" victims when they discuss the topic of US police shooting unarmed Black people. The difference is being born in the US.[1] Amadou Diallo was shot unarmed. He was a Black Guinean immigrant, so not African American. Wouldn't it make sense to rename this list to "Black" and include such cases? Police don't usually know the ones they shoot, so I'd imagine non-African American Black people are as concerned about these statistics as African Americans. ⠀Trimton⠀ 07:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - The source you cite is more nuanced than "the difference is being born in the US", and even interviews a Jamaican-born man who says, "I have taken on this label of African American because of where I live." The first sentence of this article, itself, wikilinks to African American - which has (or had, as of the moment I'm writing this comment, at least) this to say in its WP:LEDE about the term:
In other words, it isn't so straightforward. Danazar (talk) 17:58, 28 July 2021 (UTC)The term African American generally denotes descendants of enslaved Africans who are from the United States,[2][3][4] while some Black immigrants or their children may also come to identify (themselves) or be identified (by others) as African-American.[5]
Yes, you're right and apologies for my unnuanced definition. It seems though that Black is the more inclusive term, and that virtually all African Americans should identify as Black? ⠀Trimton⠀ 18:57, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Is there similar list on Wikipedia? edit
Is there a Wikipage listing all white unarmed people who were killed by LEO? Or would the list be too long to even entertain? And is there a list of Asian, Latino, Arabian unarmed people being killed by LEO somewhere to be found on Wikipedia? Maybe they are not worth as much as black people according to Wikipedia community? 96.20.197.194 (talk) 04:41, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
- I created this article because there did not seem to be such a list online despite its political salience and importance, particularly since other lists were either incomplete or inaccurate and listed all Black people killed by police, both unarmed and armed. A broader list would be noteworthy and worth creating. OctaviusIII (talk) 15:08, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
- They don't want a list of actual innocent people who are killed by police, regardless of race. Wikipedia pushes a very liberal narrative and any attempt to insert truth and common sense into the articles will be blocked.
- How about we also have a list of black people who are killed by other black people. That is the real problem instead of pushing the narrative that police are going around just shooting black people for no reason.
- If you go by actual interactions with police then unarmed white people are more likely to be shot and killed by police. Wikipedia wouldn't want people putting that truth out there though. 174.96.203.119 (talk) 15:22, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
References edit
- ^ "Not all black people are African American. Here's the difference". CBS News. Retrieved 2021-07-23.
{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link) - ^ Carol Lynn Martin, Richard Fabes (2008). Discovering Child Development. Cengage Learning. p. 19. ISBN 978-1111808112. Retrieved October 25, 2014.
most (but not all) Americans of African descent are grouped racially as Black; however, the term African American refers to an ethnic group, most often to people whose ancestors experienced slavery in the United States (Soberon, 1996). Thus, not all Blacks in the United States are African-American (for example, some are from Haiti and others are from the Caribbean).
- ^ Don C. Locke, Deryl F. Bailey (2013). Increasing Multicultural Understanding. SAGE Publications. p. 106. ISBN 978-1483314211. Retrieved March 7, 2018.
African American refers to descendants of enslaved Black people who are from the United States. The reason we use an entire continent (Africa) instead of a country (e.g., Irish American) is because slave masters purposefully obliterated tribal ancestry, language, and family units in order to destroy the spirit of the people they enslaved, thereby making it impossible for their descendants to trace their history prior to being born into slavery.
- ^ "The size and regional distribution of the black population". Lewis Mumford Center. Archived from the original on October 12, 2007. Retrieved October 1, 2007.
- ^ Forson, Tracy Scott (2018-02-21). "Who is an 'African American'? Definition evolves as USA does". USA Today. Retrieved 2020-08-30.
Darren Boykin edit
>https://apnews.com/article/texas-lawsuits-cab807b3c8bf8f901b998ca895a53002 >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z0f6sUuuPc >https://thegrio.com/2021/09/02/texas-police-arrest-video-released-boykin-family-lawsuit/ --91.54.27.221 (talk) 15:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Selection criteria edit
Hi all,
This article previously had no clear selection criteria.
I have added a slightly-altered version of the boilerplate text used on all Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, which reads (for example):
- This is a list of people reported killed by non-military law enforcement officers in the United States in May 2023, whether in the line of duty or not, and regardless of reason or method. The listing documents the occurrence of a death, making no implications regarding wrongdoing or justification on the part of the person killed or officer involved. Killings are arranged by date of the incident that caused death. Different death dates, if known, are noted in the description. The table below lists 41 people.
- This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.
I'm not totally sure how this text came into being, but I believe @Primefac: (hi!) had something to do with its implementation and the standardization of those lists.
The boilerplate message I added to this article is:
- This is a list of African Americans reported killed while unarmed by non-military law enforcement officers in the United States. Events are listed whether they took place in the line of duty or not, and regardless of reason or method. The listing documents the occurrence of a death, making no implications regarding wrongdoing or justification on the part of the person killed or officer involved. Killings are arranged by date of the incident that caused death. Different death dates, if known, are noted in the description.
- This is a dynamic list and may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness. You can help by adding missing items with reliable sources.
Because of this boilerplate message, I have re-added previously-removed deaths by car, as I believe they qualify for inclusion according the above text.
Please discuss revisions to the selection criteria here. Wracking 💬 00:15, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Philando Castile case? edit
How exactly are we defining "unarmed"? Philando Castile told the police he was carrying a firearm, although it's disputed whether he'd actually taken it out of his pocket when the cop decided to open fire. Muzilon (talk) 11:10, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
- I removed Castile from the list. According to this NBC News source, he told police he was armed just prior to being shot. Exclusion from this list doesn't necessarily justify the law enforcement killing. However, to be included on such a list, it must meet the list's defined criteria. Minnemeeples (talk) 15:40, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
Is there also a wiki article dealing with white people killed by law enforcement? edit
And if not why the bias favouring black Americans? 2003:DA:C715:3100:F554:3342:BF86:606E (talk) 01:13, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
List of Police killed by African Americans edit
Where is that page? 2601:47:101:B480:9995:B8C6:AF0D:C02A (talk) 13:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- Make it yourself if you think its that important buddy. --A Cynical Idealist (talk) 19:45, 9 April 2024 (UTC)