Talk:List of pre-20th century submarines

how about an addition

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.95.26.168 (talk) 17:20, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

Done: It turns out the Fulton became the Russian Som (see the class article) and post-dates the Hollands by a few years, and Drzewiecki’s Vodobronnogo submarine was the semi-submersible Keta (ru), so it’s outside the scope, too. Someone had already added Ictineo. Xyl 54 (talk) 19:06, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits (April 2020)

I’ve deleted the first entry here, Magnus Pegel, as there isn’t anything on his English (or his German) WP page that supports the notion that he actually built a submarine and tested it. I’ve also added a bunch of (IMO) fairly significant examples that fall within the time frame. (And on that subject, see below...) Xyl 54 (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Scope

What exactly is the scope of this article? "Pre-Holland" seems hopelessly Americo-centric (JP H wasn’t the only submarine designer, or even the most significant); and if Holland is the cut-off point, which Holland submarine are we talking about? Holland I was launched in 1878; that leaves out a lot of far more significant boats. Holland VI was launched in 1897 but not commissioned until 1900; which date should we use? And whichever, Lake’s Protector, which was already here, came after it.
I would suggest a better (and a more neutral) cut-off would be 1900/turn of the 20th century. So unless there are any objections I propose to move this page to "List of pre-1900 (or List of pre-20th century) submarines", to better reflect NPOV and to include the most significant European boats as well. Xyl 54 (talk) 19:13, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

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There's been no objection, so I've gone ahead and done it. I trust everyone is OK with that. Xyl 54 (talk) 00:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of Fulton and Protector

As Fulton and Protector were launched in 1901 according to the list, should they really be included here? After all 1901 is not pre-20th century. Dunarc (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)