Talk:List of off-season Pacific hurricanes

Pre-1949 storms

I don't think the storms outside of the best track should be included, as they aren't done so in the Atlantic either. The time frame before the best track is simply unreliable, with no satellites and so few ships in the region. Maybe have a brief mention of them somewhere, but I don't think it should be in the main list. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I won't --12george1 (talk) 23:35, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I disagree. First, the off-season (forming) storms are already listed at List of Pacific hurricanes, in the off-season section and occasionally elsewhere. Second, they are mentioned in the seasonal articles. This, if we go by inclusion in best track (presumably HURDAT), Carmen would have to be excluded as it is not in HURDAT. It is included in the CPHC archive. If we defer to the CPHC as it is CPac official, (which leads to the inclusion of Carmen) then should take the same position for the other CPac systems, which leads to including the pre-1949 CPac off-seasoners. As it seems arbitrary to include only pre-1949 CPac off-seasoners, we should therefore include pre-1949 EPac off-seasoners as well. I don't find Hurricanehink's argument about unreliability before the best track convincing, on the grounds that the best track before the satellite era is unreliable itself. For example, one storm is missing from 1949, and I'm sure that no one seriously believes that every system early on was counted. For these reasons, I disagree and think pre-1949 off-seasoners should be included. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 04:16, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, on a similar note, should we include pre-1851 storms in the Atlantic? I mainly just want consistency. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 05:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 02:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

East Pacific

The article would benefit from giving a geographic definition for East Pacific. Does it relate to the northern hemisphere only, or to both hemispheres? Schwede66 17:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

"East Pacific" refers to the area of the Pacific east of 140°W near Mexico. HurricaneFan25 23:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Style question

So this was generating some controversy earlier, but the definition of EPAC technically is from North America to the dateline, yet we have records for "eastern pacific proper", so there's a need to mention both the NHC and CPHC AOR. I added a note as a short-term fix, but the wording in the note, plus the lead is nowhere near sufficient. Any input? YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 01:23, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2021

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Very late WP:SNOW. Clearly never going to happen. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:34, 11 May 2021 (UTC)}}

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List of off-season Pacific hurricanes → List of off-season Pacific Tropical Cyclones – "Hurricane" is a term that does not include tropical storms and tropical depressions, so "tropical cyclones" will more accurately represent the off-season storms. Gummycow ^moo_milk 17:32, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

I would Oppose this unless we are going to include tropical cyclones in the South Pacific within this list that occur outside of the normal season. Jason Rees (talk) 17:51, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose as per Jason Rees reson HurricaneEdgar 17:53, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose because "hurricanes" is the common name for tropical cyclones in the eastern Pacific. YE ^{Pacific Hurricane} 21:54, 9 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose Per above. ~~ 🌀𝚂𝙲𝚂 𝙲𝙾𝚁𝙾𝙽𝙰🌀 23:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per Jason Rees et al. CycloneYoris ^talk! 03:01, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

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