Talk:List of national emergencies in the United States

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While I have not (yet) changed the wording regarding the effect of the 15 Feb 2019 Presidential Proclamation, I cannot find any wording whatsoever in the text of the Proclamation - nor any information in Wikipedia article about the Proclamation - that indicates the Proclamation "allocates funding to build a wall". While I understand this is a politically-charged topic, I would suggest that is important to maintain an objective point of view, and therefore describe only that which the Proclamation declares, rather than subjective interpretations or projections of what could occur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bryanm61 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

User:Bryanm61 - I believe that the term “allocation” is when Congress designates an amount to an expenditure line, so the proper term used when funds are later moved around would be something else. Maybe “redirect” or “reallocation”. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 17:46, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I've added two news sources that verify the funding allocation; I'll also be adding more detail to National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States. Brad Baker (talk) 02:37, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

References to Funding

This Wikipedia article is intended to describe the nature of the National Emergency and the actions directed by the President to address that emergency. In the case of the section on the 15 Feb 2019 Presidential Proclamation, the text of the Proclamation itself is more than sufficient to satisfy that objective. The President states the nature of the National Emergency: "a border security and humanitarian crisis that threatens core national security interests"; elaborates on why the President believes this is a crisis: "The southern border is a major entry point for criminals, gang members, and illicit narcotics."; and directs two specific actions: 1) Directs the Secretary of Defense "to order as many units...as appropriate to assist and support the activities of the Secretary of Homeland Security at the southern border.", and 2) Directs three Cabinet Secretaries to "take all appropriate actions...to use the authorities herein invoked...including, if necessary, the transfer and acceptance of jurisdiction over border lands."

That's it. That is the full scope of the Proclamation. There is not a single mention of funds, money, allocations, budgets, moving money around, or anything else having to do with funding.

I have read both the Fox and NY Times articles. The Fox article quotes a senior administration official regarding White House plans, and describes funds that President Trump "seeks to unlock". The Times article asserts he is attempting to "access billions of dollars". But both of these are media interpretations or hopeful administration desires of what could or might happen as a result of the Proclamation, as opposed to "verifying a funding allocation".

While I agree that ordering additional troops to the border (presumably to assist in construction of a barrier) and procurement of land (presumably by Eminent Domain actions) will cost money, neither of the directives specified in the Proclamation make any mention of funding or budget allocations.

I propose that we describe only the Proclamation here, and leave the implications, effects, and implied motivations to the more extensive article referenced above, National Emergency Concerning the Southern Border of the United States. Bryanm61 (talk) 19:55, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

• I agree that such detail should be in the specific article, this is just the overall list. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 21:09, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

List missing events ?

Looking at CNN articles “America’s other national emergencies, in photos” said 59 events under the National Emergencies Act thru early 2019 - and pointed to brennancenter.org List. | here. So the problem is that the chart here is not including all those events, and the count is off. (The list shows 53, not 59, and 8 are before the NEA -- Brennan indicates there have been 58 after the NEA, which would be 59 including the southern border one.)

Also, the list is showing events prior to 1976 - should those be in a separate table ? I think I should add the other events, not sure if others are OK with separating the table. Other editors, please provide input. Cheers Markbassett (talk) 17:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Either way on the tables; since your conributions, there is (yet again) another national emergency order concerning "foreign" or "adversarial" technology (newsmedia have not expounded the reality of middle-eastern adversarial tech out of Silicon Wadi), with huawei getting the brunt. Wanna list the new one in your tables?126.209.33.43 (talk) 10:20, 22 May 2019 (UTC)