Talk:List of films based on DC Comics publications/Archive 2

Gen¹³ and Batgirl

I think we should remove the Wildstorm film Gen¹³ from this page because the first edition of Gen¹³ was published on February 15, 1994, per source at, while Wildstorm was purchased by DC in 1998, per sources at, I also think we should discuss how to best include (or not) the Batgirl film. I am open to suggestions. @OscarFercho:, thoughts? Cardei012597 (talk) 02:54, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I decided to just remove Gen¹³, due to the comic debuting years before the sale of Wildstorm to DC. I do, however, would like to keep this discussion open on the issue of Batgirl and in what way it should (or not) be presented on this page. Cardei012597 (talk) 03:07, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

It's important the year, cause its the copyright of the production.OscarFercho (talk) 03:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

And why kept Batgirl in streaming section? It's simply an unreleased movie, per budget, per origin, must be move to the main section.OscarFercho (talk) 04:00, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

It does not make sense to have Batgirl in the main section, listing it inbetween The Batman and Black Adam, as they are films that are released. The main section should only be for films that were released in American theaters. However, within a few years, I would highly assume Batgirl will end up like the 1994 Fantastic Four film, with bootleg copies and illegal downloads on YouTube. Batgirl was never meant to be a theatrical film, but was always meant for HBO Max. Cardei012597 (talk) 14:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

The year collumn has always represented the "year of release". It would be misleading to readers to list Batgirl as a 2022 release, when it was never released in the first place. Cardei012597 (talk) 14:51, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Personally I think "Streaming films" is an unnecessary header.. these are all feature films, why the need to separate between theatrical and streaming? Suggest changing to the overall header to "Live Action films" and the secondary header to "Feature Films" which would include all of these movies. The shorts and serials (and tv pilots) in that section are already out of place in a "live-action feature films " section. Just add an "unreleased" section to the features, put ZSJL in the table in the proper place and call it a day. Spanneraol (talk) 15:17, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Batgirl absolutely should not be listed in a section titled "theatrically released films" (unless we re-label it as per Spanneraol's suggestion, which I kind of agree with for the record). It does not belong in that table, it was not released theatrically. IMO it shouldn't be listed on the page at all anymore, the movie effectively does not exist, but if we do want to keep it here somewhere it might make sense to have an "unreleased films" section or something like that, similar to how the TV pages have a section for unaired pilots. I don't know that there's anything else that would belong in that section though, so making a whole new section for one movie may not be a good idea. In any case definitely don't put an unreleased movie in "theatrically released films" lol. ShyKen (talk) 16:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree with Spanneraol and Shyken. I can create a new section for Batgirl, as even I said earlier that I was uncertain how to list this film. Cardei012597 (talk) 19:39, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Even though Batgirl is the only film in the new "unreleased film" section, I have high doubts it would remain that way for much longer. There is a ton of speculation that the upcoming film The Flash might follow suit as well, due to many recent criminal acts by Ezra Miller. As of this moment, all we can do is wait. Cardei012597 (talk) 20:40, 4 August 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't make any sense a subsection of unreleased films for only one single film, is ilogical. Need to remove it to the main section, is a project done, but unreleased.OscarFercho (talk) 01:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

There are growing reports that The Flash may also end up unreleased, per recent criminal investigations of its star Ezra Miller. Currently, its just Batgirl, but that may change. Per earlier replies from users Spanneraol and Shyken, I agree with them that it makes no sense to list Batgirl alongside the set-release films, inbetween The Batman and Black Adam. The unreleased subsection will more than likely include The Flash, in the near future. Its best to leave this as is currently, until more is known about the fate of The Flash. Cardei012597 (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

The Flash release was reconfirmed today.OscarFercho (talk) 03:24, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I abslutely can't understand why an highly important film as ZSJL don't deserve his own section, but now one unreleased movie deserve his one particulary subsection. Simply is absurd.OscarFercho (talk) 03:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Several recent news reports indicate that Warner Bros. management now is shifting away from HBO Max productions, for theatrical releases. It is more than likely The Flash is only confirmed for release, at this moment, because it is taking much longer to figure out how to proceed with the film at this moment. Cardei012597 (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@OscarFercho: I moved Batgirl into the main page in the note section for Batman Returns, as Michael Keaton's Batman is in the unreleased Batgirl film, serving as a followup to that film. I agree the subsection for one film was not an appealing decision, but your idea of placing the film inbetween The Batman and Black Adam was also not a great idea. I think my idea is the best compromise for including Batgirl, without confusing other editors or creating a messy page. Cardei012597 (talk) 14:20, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I don't know if that is the proper place to put it as it is an actual film that was made.. it's status is more like the 1994 Fantastic Four film, a completed work that was unreleased.. and I'd recommend treating it similarly. As to Oscar's comment about ZSJL... it really is not a separate film so it is listed properly now. Spanneraol (talk) 16:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Unlike the 90s Fantastic Four film where there are tons of direct-to-video live-action Marvel films, there are exactly zero direct-to-video live-action DC films. For DC, the Batgirl situation is unlike any other DC property and does not fit anywhere else. The only solution I can see working, to an extent, is as part of the notes for Batman Returns or The Flash. I agree with Oscar Fercho that a subsection for only one film, Batgirl, did not work well. The note is the best compromise, in regards to how to keep Batgirl listed on this page. Cardei012597 (talk) 17:36, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

When I meant direct-to-video, in the case of just the 90s Fantastic Four film, I meant it for the illegal bootleg DVD copies sold on Amazon, which is the likely fate of Batgirl. Cardei012597 (talk) 17:39, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

@Spanneraol: In all honest, we just have to wait until someone hacks the Warner Bros. servers and illegally download Batgirl on bootleg DVDs. However, to predict this is the outcome falls into WP:CrystalBall territory. If, or when, this happens, I will move Batgirl into the section "television films" and reword it to include "direct-to-video". We just have to wait until then. Cardei012597 (talk) 18:11, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I think it really is preferable to just keep it in features and list it as unreleased.. it doesn't need a separate section.. but I would either put it after The Batman or after all the upcoming films and list it as unreleased. Spanneraol (talk) 18:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I will change it to see if it works. Cardei012597 (talk) 18:44, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I think that works ok... unless someone else has a better idea.. Another thing.. why is the Joker sequel not listed? I saw you reverted someone with a note about not putting films in the list until they start production.. where is that a policy? It is certainly not the way it is handled on the Marvel page. If it has a verified release date in the schedule as well as a director, cast, etc.. then it should probably be listed in the table and marked as being in pre-production. Spanneraol (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

I tend to go by WP:NFF, in regards to adding live-action films to this page. It has been something enforced into me from other editors. I do, however, tend to see animated films added here constantly that have not began production. If you want to add Joker 2, be my guest. Adding films in pre-production has not something I've generally done, especially when the page is currently in the draftspace, as is this case. Cardei012597 (talk) 23:07, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Still, an imperfect solution. We can't expect a lot of shelved films, this is a special case. OscarFercho (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

It makes no sense to remove Gen13. WildStorm is DC. It doesn’t matter when they acquired it. By this logic you must remove Adventures of Captain Marvel, since DC did not own the character yet, Fawcett Comics did. Anonypedia69 (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

My problem is that I can't see Batgirl as a special treatment film in this list, you problem, @Cardei012597:, is that you want to be ahead of a Flash cancellation.OscarFercho (talk) 01:53, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Spanneraol and I feel that Batgirl current placement on the page is the least awkward way to present it. If more DC films end up shelved, we can reopen this discussion, but at least for now, I think we should end this now. Cardei012597 (talk) 02:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

But that's not its place. That movie is a scandal, but for now, is a film that exists, was make, have is copyright, just was unreleased.

Its a 2022 movie, no one can release it, its a Warner movie; maybe its place is afer of Black Adam, but is a movie just unreleased. OscarFercho (talk) 03:55, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

It does not make any sense to list Batgirl as a 2022 release. General wiki readers view the "year" collumn in all sections as the film's year of release. That is the collumn's only purpose. To alter the collumn's purpose for one film will confuse other editors and result in dozens of IP editors flat out removing Batgirl from this page because your placement idea confuses common editors. If we restore Batgirl to how you want it seen best, I guarantee you that IP editors will start an edit war over this situation. This is fact. I hoped you would of been able to see why. Cardei012597 (talk) 14:41, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

I am 100% sure someone within the next 2-3 years will leak Batgirl on YouTube or sell bootleg DVDs, exactly like the 90s Fantastic Four. Only when that happens, Batgirl will be relisted to exactly how you want it to be. For now, all we can do is wait, put a pin in this discussion. We should return to this topic only when that happens. Cardei012597 (talk) 15:37, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

The comparision is totally wrong, the 1994' FF movie was eventually released cause is low quality, a better reference is Wonder Woman (2011 TV pilot), until now, never released.

Batgirl is a movie with a copyright just from Warner and the intention is never release. Your misconception is assumes that will release in any form in the future.OscarFercho (talk) 00:00, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Regardless, if Batgirl is never released, it does not make any sense to list Batgirl as a 2022 release. General wiki readers view the "year" collumn in all sections as the film's year of release. That is the collumn's only purpose. To alter the collumn's purpose for one film will confuse other editors and result in dozens of IP editors flat out removing Batgirl from this page because your placement idea confuses common editors. If we restore Batgirl to how you want it seen best, I guarantee you that IP editors will start an edit war over this situation. This is fact. I hoped you would of been able to see this eventual outcome. Cardei012597 (talk) 00:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Regardlees, is a movie with copyright of 2022.OscarFercho (talk) 00:10, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

If you want to have a long-standing edit war with IP editors, than do it. I will not help you or anyone during this feud. Eventually, a wiki administrator will come in and they alone will dictate how to present Batgirl, whether they enfore their sole right to remove it or not, or edit its inclusion in a way you disagree with. You will have no control over anything that will follow your decision. I will play no part in any of this. I do not need to. If this Batgirl situation is worth going to war over, go right ahead. Cardei012597 (talk) 00:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Take it easy, Man. I only expose my reasons, I has been accept the changes in the list, though I don't believe in those.

Just look how Batgirl is the movie of the moment and here have a totally special treatment, and that's so bad.OscarFercho (talk) 01:11, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Since when do we go by "copyright notice" ? And do you even know what the copyright will be on the film? It wasn't even due to be released till next year originally. Spanneraol (talk) 01:34, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Oscar, all I meant was, even if your choice was right, I know for a fact that many IP editors will strongly disagree with your decision, causing the edit war. We have seen this happen before. Cardei012597 (talk) 01:41, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

There's no edit war, not of my part, I'm just expose my point. Marvel's Most Wanted, New Warriors (TV pilot), no special treatment too, only one note of his situations.OscarFercho (talk) 02:12, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

The film is copyrighting cause no one can release it, that's a fact.OscarFercho (talk) 02:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Look, the thing is Wikipedia is never consistent. Ever. Every page is treated differently, regardless of how identical the situation is. This is fact. It is unfair, but its common place on Wikipedia. I am just trying to keep these IP editors from starting the edit war by removing Batgirl and you, or I, repeatedly reverting their edits. If we go through with your idea, this page will be swarmed by IP editors. No doubt. It is not worth it. Guaranteed. Cardei012597 (talk) 02:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not reverting nothing, just expose my point.OscarFercho (talk) 02:23, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Why does the date matter? Shazam was not owned by DC when the 1941 serial came out, yet that is included here. Anonypedia69 (talk) 21:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

References

Batman Azteca

Why has Batman Azteca vanished from the animated films section? It is still happening isn’t it? In September they released first looks and stuff. Anonypedia69 (talk) 21:19, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't recall it ever being listed here (I had never even heard of it until just now), but at a glance it looks like it doesn't have a release date yet? It was announced a few months ago and they only announced the voice actor for Batman last week so it's probably still in pre-production. ShyKen (talk) 23:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

The film is now called Aztec Batman: The Clash of Empires. Still not on here. Anonypedia69 (talk) 02:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, and...? Still doesn't have a release window.

I don't know when exactly the right time to list an animated film here is since it's harder to define when exactly production has officially started, but it feels pretty silly to even be talking about it when we don't even have a vague idea of when it might actually exist. Especially since we regularly remove live action films that *do* have confirmed release dates because it's too early. ShyKen (talk) 04:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)