Talk:List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Fictional elements key to Stargate universe

I think should be added to the list some of the elements listed in Technology in Stargate, specially Naqahdah, Naqahdriah, and Neutronium, as these fictional elements are important to the whole Stargate SG-1 series. --Zerabat (talk) 16:47, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Did any of them receive any attention from sources unaffiliated with the series? DonIago (talk) 17:19, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Doniago Neutronium should be added -- it is a scientifically hypothesized element used in many sci-fi stories outside Stargate universe and there are many independent sources for it on that page that can be imported.

The others may be OK to add since they are notably on Wiki already: Naqahdah, Naquadria (also listed on https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naquadria), plus Maclarium and possibly Trinium -- although the page does not specifically call trinium an element. We wouldn't need to say much about each since they are detailed on their wiki pages. HOWEVER, you can see that reference page is tagged with the same problem this page has.Skingski (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2017 (UTC)(talk)

I'd be happy to support Neutronium. It's been mentioned in Star Trek as well. Doesn't Trinium get mentioned in Spider-Man 2 as well? Mostly I feel (though there's been some disagreement on this note) that new items added should either have a third-party source to establish significance or have a standalone article (which they couldn't have without such sourcing). Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Nth Metal

So, why exactly is "Nth Metal" sorted between Ada- and Adm-? --BjKa (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Thaum

Not a particle, but a unit of measurement --BjKa (talk) 11:51, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Tiberium

This element is central to the Command & Conquer - Tiberian world that has millions of followers, even if I'm not a die-hard fan I think it is one of the most interesting hypothetical/fictional elements in general because of its almost life-like potential to spread, so can someone explain why it would be less significant compared to some other things listed here? (I'll avoid naming names and insulting someone's preferences) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.35.28 (talk) 09:14, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Seconded. Tiberium even has its own Wikipedia article. --BjKa (talk) 12:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

I'd be okay with it at this point. Not sure why it was removed at the time, but it may have had something to do with there being no agreed upon inclusion criteria at the time? DonIago (talk) 14:16, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Red/Blue Alloy, but not Redstone (and others)

If Red and Blue Alloy from a modification to Minecraft are mentioned, shouldn't Redstone (from the vanilla game) also be mentioned? And are Red and Blue Alloy significant in any way?Radioactivated (talk) 22:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Possibly of less significance, but if Redstone gets a mention what about Mese which is an equivalent to both Minecraft's Redstone and Glowstone? Come to think of it, Minecraft has a number of fictional materials that could be listed here, should they all be listed or just added as a see also? 2.126.97.148 (talk) 21:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

There's a thread further down on this page that discusses the criteria for inclusion. If these substances meet those criteria, I don't see why they can't be included. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Missing elements

Several major fictional elements are missing here. Neutronium is the supposed element formed when neutron stars compress normal matter into nothing but neutrons. It is essentially indestructible. (The question of whether matter would 'uncompress' when removed from the intense gravity is generally not even brought up.)

Neutronium is real enough; there is scientific evidence that this exists; and yes, it would decompress.WolfKeeper 21:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It features in Star Trek several times, most notably in 'The Doomsday Device' where the outer hull of the planet-eating thing they are trying to destroy is made of neutronium so they have to think of a way to drop a bomb down its throat. Neutronium also figures as armor in many Scifi computer games like the Master of Orion series.

Quite a few other 'elements' are present as classes of armor in computer games. 'Tritanium' is popular (it's in the 'Master of Orion games, and several others) and then there is 'Xentronium', the ultimate armor in the Master of Orion series and not used elsewhere.

The British Scifi series "Blakes Seven" has an substance called 'Herculaneum' as the main hull component of the Liberator starship. Whether this is supposed to be an element of an alloy/composite is unclear but it's worth investigating.

Larry Niven's Ringworld series had to invent a new element (or perhaps composite material?) called 'scrith' to explain how the Ringworld was structurally possible.

I am probably putting this in the wrong place. Electrum needs to be added. It was in an episode of Transformers G1. Beachcomber found a pool of it and tried to keep it secret. When a transformer (or anything I assume) is coated with Electrum, it becomes impervious to damage. The pool of Electrum was destroyed at the end of the episode. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.128.21.42 (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Electrum is a real substance, an alloy of silver and gold, not a fictional element. Kjaer (talk) 04:21, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I added this one.WolfKeeper 21:54, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

These are just 'off the top of my head' but I guess I'm a hard core Scifi reading (and game playing) geek. :)

Oh, one more thought, Thor's hammer is made of a 'magical' metal called 'Uru' but I don't know if that's got any relation to the original Norse mythology or if that's just a recent comic book invention.

>>What about Nth Metal, which comprises Hawkman and Hawkgirl's magic maces, believed to be once given to the Thanagerian people by a Cthulhuesque god? And "sinusite" appears in the Pinky and the Brain episode "Funny, You Don't Look Rhennish". It's an integral part of Brain's latest scheme, used to make sneezing powder. There is also a variation called "fool's sinusite". --The_Iconoclast (talk) 11:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

If you review the history of this page, many things get deleted and I'm not sure why. For example, go to a 2010 version and you'll see World of Warcraft elements.
I'd prefer to have a big list, even if dumb things like SpongeBob's jerkonium is listed. A shortened list makes this page less authoritative.
--J_Tom_Moon_79 (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I didn't see Jumbonium here. Futurama, fictional element so large the atoms can be seen with the naked eye... even with bad eyesight. 50.247.247.81 (talk) 21:29, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Does it meet the inclusion criteria? See elsewhere on this page. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 17:35, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Archiving?

Anyone have issues with archiving any conversation on this page that's over a year (or perhaps six months) old? I'll give it at least a week before I set up auto-archiving. Thanks! DonIago (talk) 17:37, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree, archiving would be beneficial. Please go ahead. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:40, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Stygium - Discworld

For your consideration.

https://wiki.lspace.org/mediawiki/Stygium

Thistledowne (talk) 08:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

The Source of Aether

Right now all information pertains to Magic: the Gathering, but in fact Aether is originally a classical element, and the M:tG usage reflects this usage. Therefore, the current description is misleading at best and erroneous at worst. Cruxador (talk) 03:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

If you know other works of fiction in which aether plays a role, then please add them. Mediatech492 (talk) 04:04, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Add carbonite?

I have a vague sense that carbonite is supposed to be a novel state of carbon, but it is fictional, so it could be anything. bd2412 T 19:16, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Support Carbonite mentions three unrelated works using the term, so criterion b) is satisfied. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paradoctor (talk • contribs) 20:58, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Pym Particles from Ant-Man

This is a fictional subatomic particle from the movie Ant-Man.

See more here: http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Pym_Particles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1810:8C05:D00:A0B0:B70A:1F28:F5B4 (talk) 15:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Some elements that I think should be added to this list

Some elements that I feel like should be added to this list.

Elements from The Sims 3:

Mummitomium, a metal that appears as though it is wrapped in gauze. Acquired by finding it in Egypt or rummaging through trash cans in the base neighborhood.

Compendium, a silvery metal with golden stripes on it. Acquired via transfiguration, failing at the Sculpting Station, or being dug up by dogs.

Supernovium, a dull gray metal. Acquired via rummaging through garbage cans in the base neighborhood, transfiguration, or being dug up by dogs.

Woohooium, a dull dark red metal that glows and emits heart particles when a Woo-Hoo is in progress. Acquired via failing at the Sculpting Station, buying it from Aleister's Elixirs and Sundries, buying it from relic shops, rummaging through garbage cans in France, or being dug up by dogs.

Elements from The Sims 4:

Alcineat, a pale blue liquid with the symbol An.

Crytacoo, an orange solid that is extremely resistant to physical change.

Firaxium, an orange-red solid. Very little is known about it.

Goobleck, a deep green liquid with the symbol Vg.

Melacoo, a deep blue liquid with the symbol Q.

Oxypin, a blue metal.

Ozinate, a yellow metal which looks like cheese.

Peryllium, a pink metalloid with the symbol Ll.

Phozone, a deep yellow liquid with the symbol Pz.

Plathium, a pale yellow liquid with the symbol Pl.

Plumbobus, a green solid.

Selium, a white metal.

Sydrolin, a deep purplish-red liquid with the symbol Sy.

Volenton, a purple metalloid.

Wolfium, a dark gray solid said to smell like wet dogs.

Xenopetrium, a bright-green highly volatile solid.

Elements from I Expect You To Die:

Elemen, an element with the atomic number 1 and the symbol E.

Engelon, an element with the atomic number 2 and the symbol En.

Galine, an element with the atomic number 3 and the symbol Gi. It is a green liquid.

Killium, an element with the atomic number 4 and the symbol Ki.

Unobtainium, an element with the atomic number 5 and the symbol Uo.

Ludutria, an element with the atomic number 6 and the symbol L.

Arsonium, an element with the atomic number 7 and the symbol Ar. It is a blue liquid.

Noxium, an element with the atomic number 8 and the symbol N.

Arbiterite, an element with the atomic number 9 and the symbol At.

Schellion, an element with the atomic number 10 and the symbol J.

Regalite, an element with the atomic number 11 and the symbol Re. It is a purple liquid.

Cloudium, an element with the atomic number 12 and the symbol C.

Nanite, an element with the atomic number 13 and the symbol Nn. It is a yellow liquid.

Phlebotinum, an element with the atomic number 14 and the symbol P.

Diadium, an element with the atomic number 15 and the symbol D.

Xenline, an element with the atomic number 16 and the symbol Xn.

Sanite, an element with the atomic number 17 and the symbol Y. It is a red liquid.

Zoraxion, an element with the atomic number 18 and the symbol Zo.

An element from the Atomicraft Minecraft mod:

Colorium, an element with the atomic number 119 and the symbol Cm. It generates colored particle effects when held.

Elements from the Betweenlands Minecraft mod:

Octine, an orange metal which can ignite organic matter on contact.

Syrmorite, a purplish-blue metal.

Valonite, a purplish-pink nonmetal.

50.204.8.129 (talk) 18:19, 9 October 2018 (UTC)

If they satisfy the criteria for inclusion outlined on this page, why not add them yourself? DonIago (talk) 05:44, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

Nice list! I've reviewed it and everything looks valid to me. HudsonValley (talk) 22:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Actually, most of them apparently don't. The person who made this list added some of them to the list, and it got reverted within an hour. Then, they added the elements from I Expect You to Die that are actually used in the game, and that edit didn't get reverted. I'm currently in the process of adding a section for the ones that aren't important enough. REDsEngineer (talk) 15:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to know how Frinkonium is major enough to make it onto the main list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by REDsEngineer (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

If you don't feel an element should be included, you're welcome to remove it. However, adding a new section to bypass the inclusion criteria isn't proper; rather you should initiate a discussion regarding modifying the criteria so that your list would be acceptable. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:56, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Now how am I supposed to convince people to get the criteria changed when I can't even write an essay? REDsEngineer (talk) 18:09, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

All you need to do is reiterate the current inclusion criteria and discuss what changes you feel should be made. DonIago (talk) 21:15, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

The problem is I'm bad at discussionsREDsEngineer (talk) 20:25, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand your concern, but realistically, if you can't verbalize what changes you feel should be made to the inclusion criteria, how can we offer an opinion on them? You need to be able to state what changes you feel should be made, and why, or work with other editors who are willing to do so on your behalf. I'm probably not a good choice in that regard as, if anything, I feel this list should be more focused, not less. DonIago (talk) 15:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion criteria - require secondary source

I remain concerned that this list is far too indiscriminate in its current state, and would like to recommend that the inclusion criteria be updated per WP:LSC to stipulate that secondary sources must be included for all entries to establish that they are considered significant in some manner. I'll drop it if there's no support for this. DonIago (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Proposal to split this page

Just a proposal to split this page so there can be a list for the minor fictional elements, materials, isotopes and subatomic particles. REDsEngineer (talk) 18:19, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: This list already contains items that are of dubious real-world significance in my opinion. I feel that pruning this list, not expanding it, is the more appropriate course. DonIago (talk) 18:30, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Oppose: We need clear notability guidelines which are consistently maintained. Either it is notable or it is not. Splitting the page in this manner would create a list of trivial data, which is not what WP is about. Mediatech492 (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Mediatech, would you support my above proposal to require secondary sourcing? DonIago (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Polydichloric Euthimal

Any reason Polydichloric Euthimal is not on the list? Paradoctor (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Because you did not find an RS about it establishing it is notable enough for a mention. I looked and found two possible citations and one unusable link with interesting information.

Glassy's work is reliable enough to establish the fact that this is a fictional drug. The article by Guzman make only a passing mention as an example fictional drug. (It is literally at the very bottom of the article.) TV Tropes is a wiki and so cannot be used per Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources, however it mentions that Polydichloric Euthimal was on some barrels as a "shout out" type Easter egg in the movie Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

In my opinion the item fails to present enough notability to warrant mention in the list.

To mention every obscure item in movies will lead the list to be just WP:FANCRUFT. I feel the list should be limited to items that have been used in multiple works like Adamantite or item very prominent in works that have strongly influence culture like Mithril. Note that these two examples have their own articles.

Polydichloric Euthimal is just too obscure. It does not even get mentioned in the Outland (film) article, the movie that introduced it. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 09:28, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

This discusses only notability, which is criterion c) for list inclusion. What about a) "play a major role in a notable work of fiction"? PDE is clearly a central plot element of Outland. BTW, Outland (film) does mention PDE, just not by name: "a powerful amphetamine-type drug".

Also, criterion b) "common to several unrelated works" may apply. In addition to its use in T2, in the final episode of The Middleman, the doll's eyes are made out of PDE. Paradoctor (talk) 14:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Well, the mention in other works are "shout outs" as mentioned above, I would prefer to see it used as a plot element in multiple works. I do not mean to raise the bar, that is just what I meant to start with. I guess I am looking for evidence it has entered culture beyond the movie that introduced it. I was aware it was referred to in the article, but it is significant that the editors of that article did not see the need to refer to it by name.

All that said, you are welcome to be WP:BOLD and add it yourself. Since its just me vs you we cannot say there is consensus one way or the other. The criteria I have mentioned above is just what I would like. If someone else does not like it they will remove it and perhaps come here and contribute to the discussion. Perhaps we will hammer out a criteria standard for this list. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 07:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

"hammer out a criteria standard for this list" Huh? We already have that, and I explicitly referred to it. The criteria are listed right at the beginning of the article:

"This list contains fictional chemical elements, materials, isotopes or subatomic particles that either a) play a major role in a notable work of fiction, b) are common to several unrelated works, or c) are discussed in detail by independent sources." (my emphasis)

Prima facie, that's the current consensus criteria, doubtlessly reflecting a lot of previous discussion. Paradoctor (talk) 14:59, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Well slap me with a fish! Those are good criteria too. Well, it is still my opinion vs yours as to PDE passing the criteria. Shout outs should not count for b) "common to several unrelated works". It does pass a) and c). I suppose in a !vote I would be a "weak oppose". Richard-of-Earth (talk) 17:01, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

I have no fish in the fridge, would a "been there, done that" suffice?

I don't understand why you still would oppose, though. Since, as you agree, it passes a) and c), it passes. "Either" of the criteria is sufficient. That's why I bolded it in the quote above. Right? Paradoctor (talk) 17:15, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Because despite all that PDE is still too obscure and frankly uninteresting. The idea of a drug that in some way makes you super, but has dire consequences over time is far from new or unique. The mention in other works are just of the name and not the drug itself involved in the plot. If we put every item that barely makes the criteria given, the list will seem bloated and uninteresting. But, as I have already said, add it if you wish. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

References

Can Bananium from Atomas be added into this page?

--Worra Mait Kosit (talk) 18:16, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Can you look for WP:RS citations that mention it? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Why isn't Allinol listed here?

It's Axlerod's alternative fuel in Cars 2. It should be in the section "Fictional elements and materials." WorldQuestioneer (talk) 02:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@WorldQuestioneer: Does it fulfill any of a) play a major role in a notable work of fiction, b) are common to several unrelated works, or c) are discussed in detail by independent sources? The list would be overflowing with unencyclopedic content and a chore to maintain if we included every material mentioned in every fictional work, so we need to establish that any new entries meet the list's criteria for inclusion. By this statement alone, it doesn't look like it, but do try to prove me wrong. ComplexRational (talk) 02:48, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

@ComplexRational: I agree with you. WorldQuestioneer (talk) 02:51, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Is Illudium unworthy?

https://looneytunes.fandom.com/wiki/Illudium_Q-36_Explosive_Space_Modulator — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:38a2:c060:fdff:e75c:7b0f:7f22 (talk • contribs)

Has a source discussed it that's not a wiki? DonIago (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Does Celestial Bronze actually appear in Greek myth outside the Percy Jackson novels?

I cannot find any mention of this metal in connection to real-world Greek myth without a novel by Rick Riordan. There is no citation whatsoever in the Celestial Bronze section. Stygian Emperor (talk) 19:09, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

I've preemptively removed this mention in the article and another claim attributing "Imperial Gold" from a Riordan book to Roman mythology, due to dubiousness in light of thias comment. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 22:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)