Talk:List of best-selling video games/Archive 10

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CD Projekt RED

CD Projekt Red has also mutliple Games in the TOP 50. With The Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. 2001:9E8:6F47:7800:CD59:F132:CACE:9A81 (talk) 06:49, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done Prefall 12:38, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Can we bring the numbers back?

The list doesnt look that great and because it is limited to the top 50 i dont get why there isnt a 1-50 number list here. 158.135.169.237 (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

This is a dynamic list, and inherently not necessarily complete (reliable information is not available for some top-selling games) so numbering it could be misleading. Bbctol (talk) 20:52, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

yeah it can be misleading but it is a nice quality of life improvement to the list and can be a tool to catch errors (aka when numbers are updated but their position hasnt as that has happened before). 158.135.165.67 (talk) 03:03, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Numbering would suggest information that we have no proof of. The list does in fact not contain the top 50 best-selling video games but the 50 best-selling video games there is reliable sales data publicly available for. We can infer which games sold more copies than others to order the list but we can not be sure New Horizons is the 16th best selling video game, so we can not number it. Doing so thus wouldn't be just misleading but wrong. Emberwit (talk) 09:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

true but another is the induvial consoles have a number system for their game sales and unless they are Nintendo consoles the sales numbers can be all over the place. Minecraft for instance on the switch only has some numbers from Japan and European countries even though we are pretty sure it has sold a lot more (since the US numbers are missing). The list will never be perfect but it would say as of right now we can say these are the 50 best selling games that we can prove their numbers. Sure there are others that might have sold better but we don't know so we cant speculate. 158.135.165.67 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Rankings are WP:OR and fail WP:V. This answer isn't going to change. It's really not needed anyways, the table is already sortable. -- ferret (talk) 19:45, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim???

60 million sold 2A02:2121:284:9E39:F0A6:E45F:B5E0:C6D (talk) 21:23, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Talk:List_of_best-selling_video_games/Archive_9#Skyrim_has_apparently_sold_over_60_million_copies. -- ferret (talk) 22:18, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Insomniac's first spiderman should be on the list at over 33 million copies as of may 2022

https://blog.playstation.com/2022/06/02/marvels-spider-man-series-is-coming-to-pc/ 64.178.145.226 (talk) 19:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Rescinding this request as I noticed the sales figure is in relation to the "series" and not just the first game 64.178.145.226 (talk) 19:16, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Elden Ring

I think Elden Ring deserves a fitting spot right at the bottom under pokemon scarlet with 21-21.5M sales. Best game of the decade alongside RDR2. 2603:7081:2500:E774:6D17:2503:D438:785D (talk) 18:03, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

RDR2 isn't even the best game of 2018 (God of War blows it out of the water), let alone a decade. What you're talking about here.84.54.72.20 (talk) 13:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

that is subjective but yeah that last part of the statement is unnecessary but what is missing here is the refrence to the sales. 158.135.163.144 (talk) 18:31, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2023

geometry dash has at least 240 million downloads for all platforms combined, and that was in 2018, it should be higher now, it should be added to the page 138.67.218.49 (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Downloads aren't sales. -- ferret (talk) 18:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Minecraft Chinese edition

Is there a reason why the sales of Minecraft Chinese edition are not added to the numbers for Minecraft? From what I can tell it has about 425 million downloads. Other free-to-play games like PUBG are included on this list so I don't understand why Minecraft Chinese edition is not included. Even if you think it shouldn't be included in the number of Minecraft sales, should it not then be included as its own game on the list? [1]https://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/mustafa-mahmoud/minecraft-surpasses-400-million-players-in-china-alone/ [2]https://www.businessofapps.com/data/minecraft-statistics/ BluHedgy (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Nevermind this, I was confused somewhat by the article but I know realise that only includes PUBG sales with a price (before it went free-to-play) and that Minecraft Chinese edition should not be included.

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2023

The page needs update in the sales figure, so allow me to edit. Zerowatts (talk) 12:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: this is not the right page to request additional user rights. You may reopen this request with the specific changes to be made and someone may add them for you, or if you have an account, you can wait until you are autoconfirmed and edit the page yourself. 💜  melecie  talk - 14:07, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2023

Please add Skyrim at 60 million copies sold to you list of video games. Prey4mojo (talk) 16:48, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Add Minecraft Dungeons at 25,000,000 confirmed sells

Minecraft Dungeons reached 25,000,000 sells and should be added to this list. Every copy costs money, and thus 25,000,000 confirmed players should be counted as sells on this list. Furthermore, Mojang confirmes that these are all "unique players".

My source is Mojang, the owner and developer of the Minecraft Dungeons IP.

Read their article for further reference:

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/dungeons--25-million-players CelesteTheArtist (talk) 19:24, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we can't include this. Minecraft Dungeons is available on Xbox Gamepass, and Microsoft very clearly says "25 million confirmed players", not "25 million sales". I've played Dungeons on Gamepass. I did not buy the game. I count as a player, but not as a sale. -- ferret (talk) 02:12, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

That's completely fair. Thank you. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Skyrim should be included

I have read through the previous discussion on this subject and while I understand the counterarguments I still think not including Skyrim puts Wikipedia out of step with the general internet conversation. If you simply look up "Skyrim sales" in Google, every single top result cites the 60 million figure, including IGN's own list of the top ten best selling games (last I checked, IGN is a reliable source). In the previous thread people objected to Skyrim's inclusion because Todd Howard is supposedly unreliable, but this is a clear double standard. The source for Cyberpunk 2077's sales is a statement from the CD Projekt Red CEO. Why is the head of Bethesda Game Studios considered unreliable for this information but the head of CD Projekt is fine? Shivj80 (talk) 19:47, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

References

I think you didn't read the discussion close enough. First off, IGN's top ten list is based on IGN's own reporting on the Skyrim number, as the interview where Todd Howard offhandedly dropped the figure was to IGN. Todd Howard's unreliability is well established and he himself says "Don't trust everything I say in interviews". -- ferret (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

So Todd Howard is unreliable, but CD Projekt Red, a company that has been sued for misleading statements, is reliable? This is just not a consistent standard at all. Even if Todd said not to trust his interviews (do you have a source for this quote?), there is no good reason to believe he would blatantly lie about Skyrim's sales figures. To underline this point, let me quote what the IGN article says:

"After years of silence regarding Skyrim's sales numbers, Bethesda's Todd Howard revealed in June 2023 that the RPG has sold over 60 million units since it was first released in 2011. "We’re sitting here, it’s 12 years after Skyrim," Howard told IGN. 'We’re looking at a game that has over 60 million copies, and all these people playing… they’re still playing it.'"

This sounds quite definitive. IGN doesn't put any disclaimers that "Howard is known to exaggerate" or anything like that. They accept the 60M figure as fact. If IGN, a known reliable source for gaming, accepts Todd's words as true in this instance, then his past unreliability is simply irrelevant. Shivj80 (talk) 01:08, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Dude if the Skyrim developers or publishers themselves say that Skyrim has sold 60 million copies we will believe it and put Skyrim on the list. Kazama16 (talk) 09:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Todd Howard is literally Bethesda's top developer. Why can't we trust his numbers when other websites are taking his numbers as fact? Shivj80 (talk) 02:57, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Sonic Adventure Greatest 2,5 Million Sales

Sonic Adventure First Release Dreamcast Japan: 1998, Western: 1999. Later Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut Release GameCube Worldwide: 2003,PC Japan:2003, Western:2004,PS3 & XBOX360: 2010,Steam: 2011. Prawira Hendrik (talk) 14:36, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 December 2023

Hello, I noticed that the Game Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is not on this list, though I know that it sold over 60 million copies to date, which would place it in the seventh position I believe. Please include Skyrim on this list. The ultimate source of this is The CEO of Bethesda, Todd Howard stating this fact in an interview with IGN a few months ago. The following links back this up:

1) https://in.ign.com/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/186698/news/elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-has-sold-over-60-million-copies-globally

2) https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/

3) https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/06/skyrim-has-now-sold-more-than-60-million-copies-according-to-bethesda

4) https://www.gamepressure.com/newsroom/skyrim-sold-60-million-copies-great-result-of-bethesdas-rpg/zb5868

Please include Skyrim to make this list more accurate. Thank you. 192.24.143.236 (talk) 16:02, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The CEO's statements in the interview can't be considered independent and reliable. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 16:09, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

(And Todd is not the CEO) -- ferret (talk) 16:42, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

"The best-selling video game to date is Minecraft"

I know that general consensus here is that Minecraft outsells Tetris, however there are several reliable (and some marginally reliable) sources that list Tetris over Minecraft. I personally agree with that assessment. Isn't outright saying that it is the best-selling game too bold of a statement when there are reliable sources that disagree? At the very least, would it be fair to alter the statement to say that it's "generally considered to be the best-selling game"?

To list a few: The 10 Best-Selling Video Games of All Time - IGN Top 10 Best-Selling Video Games Of All Time - GameSpot The 15 Bestselling Video Games Of All Time (screenrant.com) Man-Man122 (talk) 20:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Those sources are not credible. The fact that Minecraft has 300,000,000 sold copies is supported by Microsoft, the owner of the Minecraft IP.

Some sources claim that Tetris or other games have sold more, but either have incorrect information or a misunderstanding of videogame sells.

Tetris for example, went free-to-play, and thus it's sell count is capped at 100,000,000 and cannot increase even if more people download Tetris. Tetris also forked it's development and EA made a new Tetris game which is respectivily a new IP, and should be counted separately just like you count Pokémon games separately.

Despite this understanding, many sources count free downloads and combine the number of different IP's within a series, resulting in some sources claiming Tetris to have 520,000,000 sold copies, which is entirely false.

If we did this for Minecraft, for example, counting all Minecraft IP's, unsupported versions, and free releases, then Minecraft would have closer to 2,000,000,000 sold copies, which would also be completely incorrect.

Minecraft China Edition itself has 800,000,000 free downloads, and it would be unfair to count them.

The cumulative data in this wiki article follow rules.

It must be the same IP, and it must cost money. We are counting sells, not downloads.

Gather data from the IP owner, not videogames articles. Thank you.

Des CelesteTheArtist (talk) 19:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist These sources are listed as such in Wikipedia's own page for reliable sources. The mobile Tetris in question that was said to reach 425 million sales (i.e. the one the reliable sources are counting) was, in fact, officially licensed with the Tetris IP, but most importantly, not free. These were paid downloads. Sales. Therefore, it follows these cumulative rules. I hope my perspective could be give some consideration. Thank you. Man-Man122 (talk) 23:29, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Mobile Tetris went free at 100,000,000 sells. You can check right now, it's free. We're not counting excess free downloads. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Nobody's counting free downloads. Tetris reached 425 million downloads. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:14, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Here, check this article for a better undertsanding of the metrics.

According to this article, 45,000,000 copies of Tetris for the Gameboy were sold, and that is on this list. Tetris EA for mobile sold 100,000,000 copies before going free and gathering 32,000,000 more downloads that can't be counted as sells.

Tetris for the Gameboy and Tetris EA were developed and published by different companies through licensing and cannot be counted as the same game, since the IP is different.

If you were to count them together, it would be 145,000,000 total sells for Tetris, which would not make a difference in comparison to GTA V or Minecraft, but would be infair to all other titles. We don't count all Pokémon games together, we don't count all GTA games togther, we don't count all Minecraft games together, we don't count all Tetris games togther.

Tetris for the Gameboy and Tetris EA are very much different, and not the same game. They are in the same franchise, but this isn't a list of best-selling franchises.

We are counting individual titles.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:53, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist This one EA Tetris game was not the only official EA mobile Tetris game. There were several others before it. Man-Man122 (talk) 03:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

We wouldn't count all EA mobile Tetris games. Tetris Blitz, for example is not Tetris; it's a spinoff within the EA Tetris franchise.

The original EA Tetris for Mobile had 100,000,000 paid downloads before going free, then shutting down in April of 2020, where the IP was relicensed by The Tetris Company and released for free under a new developer.

Read this article for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris_(Electronic_Arts)#:~:text=In%20January%202020%2C%20EA%20announced,create%20a%20new%20mobile%20version. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 05:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist You don't even have to count Tetris blitz. It was free and never pay-to-play. I'm referring to the fact that Tetris' paid mobile sales reached 425 million. EA released another Tetris game on mobile. It was practically identical to it's other one. It was on many other platforms as well. It was pay-to-play. Man-Man122 (talk) 11:59, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate the sentiment, but this article is based on factual data, not perspectives. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 23:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Respectfully, my perspective is based in factual data. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:12, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Perspective and fact are conflicting statements in this regard. Numbers are universal; there's no other way to look at them that doesn't include external bias.

Minecraft has 300,000,000 confirmed sold units

GTA V has 190,000,000 confirmed sold units

Tetris has 100,000,000 confirmed sold units

And so on...

The Tetris IP and franchise has had a long history of ownership and publishing from different developers and owners. Combining the sales of Tetris by Nintendo for NES/Gameboy and Tetris by EA for mobile would not make sense at all because these are separate publications by different companies. It's important to note that Tetris Nintendo and Tetris EA are not the same games.

A game can be developed for many platforms, and still be included in this list such as GTA V and Minecraft. The reason they are still counted, is because they are still developed by the same developer.

Minecraft, for example has always been developed by Mojang, and is currently published on various different platforms as one game.

I suggest you look at this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises, as this seems to be what you are actually talking about. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 05:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist I'm referring to the EA mobile Tetris game that was released before the one you're referring too. If I recall, it was published by EA as well. It had 425 paid mobile sales. I'm not trying to combine the Gameboy with anything. Man-Man122 (talk) 11:34, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Could you provide a reliable source for that specific app? CelesteTheArtist (talk) 21:11, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/2008-10-29-ea-releases-tetris-for-android-bejeweled-and-monopoly-to-follow.html Man-Man122 (talk) 21:29, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

The website you provided has no information on the sells metric for that app.

The source used for the Tetris Wikipedia states that app had 100,000,000 units sold. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 02:01, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist Again, two different apps Man-Man122 (talk) 02:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

@CelesteTheArtist I showed you this to prove that there were two different Tetris games release under the same IP, EA, that were virtually identical and had a price tag, i.e. not free Man-Man122 (talk) 03:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Notice how you say "two different tetris games", and it doesn't matter if they are from the same publisher, since they are different entities. We can't count those games together, that's what the franchise list is for.

Here's a credible source from BBC, where they explain it very well. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67105983

End of discussion. CelesteTheArtist (talk) 06:00, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

The functions of the games that I was fundamentally the same. Virtually identical. The same reason these should be counted together, is the same reason why Minecraft's Java sales are lumped with Pocket Edition and Console edition sales, despite the console and pocket edition having some modes and features that console doesn't/didn't(and vice verse). I have read the BBC article before, but I don't remember the BBC becoming the ultimatum on all facts. As such, there are sources listed by Wikipedia as credible that disagree with the BBC's conclusion, such as Forbes and IGN. Wikipedia didn't have a problem with listing Tetris with its 495 million sales at the top of this list until rather recently. Regardless, there are credible sources the disagree with the BBC, as well as Wikipedia, in this regard. Man-Man122 (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

The point of this discussion was to point out that reliable sources disagree on this. That is objectively true and I believe that the article should reflect that. Man-Man122 (talk) 00:00, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 January 2024

please change to include skyrim as it has sold 60 million 2A0A:EF40:1249:DB01:8BFF:9C5E:47A9:1A1B (talk) 18:44, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Read the edit requests already declined on this topic above as well as the archives. -- ferret (talk) 19:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2024

Hi, I suggest a change to the Top50 table of the Best Selling Games, since I'm not authorized to make any edits to the page. Very recently Capcom has updated their list of Best Selling Titles, and Monster Hunter: World reached a total of 24.1m copies sold (which is expect to further increase due to heavy sales in January). The 24.1m amount ranks the game above "Nintendogs" and "Mario Kart DS". To avoid any confusion regarding the source, the "Monster Hunter World: Iceborne Master Edition" cited by Capcom is simply a bundled version of the game with the expansion "Iceborne" included.

Reference: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html Ponyra (talk) 09:51, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. New additions should have at least 3 reliable sources. Shadow311 (talk) 17:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

This is the reliable source: https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

It's quite literally the portal Capcom uses for Corporate & Investor Relations, to share news and data with investors and outlets. They cannot fake or lie about this, it's a publicly traded company.

Outlets and forums have reported on this, but of course they all use the same source, since it's the most direct source possible, Capcom itself. Ponyra (talk) 19:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Tho if you need examples form outlets too, here:

- https://gamingbolt.com/monster-hunter-world-has-sold-19-6-million-monster-hunter-rise-at-14-2-million-sold

- https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/capcom-platinum-titles-sales-update-as-of-december-31-2023

- https://www.gamingdeputy.com/resident-evil-2-3-4-and-monster-hunter-world-break-sales-records/

- https://game-news24.com/2024/02/13/for-monster-hunter-rise-monster-world-has-sold-19-6-million-and-monster-hunting-dawn-is-at-14-2-millions/ Ponyra (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Edit Request re-submission

I request this edit again, this time providing multiple sources as requested last time.

Very recently Capcom has updated their list of Best Selling Titles, and Monster Hunter: World reached a total of 24.1m copies sold (which is expect to further increase due to heavy sales in January). The 24.1m amount ranks the game above others in the list. To avoid any confusion regarding the source, the "Monster Hunter World: Iceborne Master Edition" cited by Capcom is simply a bundled version of the game with the expansion "Iceborne" included.

SOURCES:

- https://www.capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/million.html

- https://gamingbolt.com/monster-hunter-world-has-sold-19-6-million-monster-hunter-rise-at-14-2-million-sold

- https://www.gematsu.com/2024/02/capcom-platinum-titles-sales-update-as-of-december-31-2023

- https://www.gamingdeputy.com/resident-evil-2-3-4-and-monster-hunter-world-break-sales-records/

- https://game-news24.com/2024/02/13/for-monster-hunter-rise-monster-world-has-sold-19-6-million-and-monster-hunting-dawn-is-at-14-2-millions/ Ponyra (talk) 18:55, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2024

Hi there - please add Skyrim to the list of best selling videogames, as of 2023 it has sold over 60 million copies

https://www.gamesradar.com/skyrim-has-sold-60-million-copies-making-it-the-seventh-best-selling-game-ever/ 8.47.101.9 (talk) 04:22, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: see above Cannolis (talk) 05:25, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

Super Mario Bros. Multi platform?

Should Super Mario Bros. Be considered Nintendo Entertainment System since that's what people primarily played it on? Sizzlepop1 (talk) 21:14, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Issue with that is this is only part of the total as it includes stuff like Deluxe (GBC) and NES Classic (GBA) 158.135.170.184 (talk) 18:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

But those aren't ports, those are usually extended or added versions. Sizzlepop1 (talk) 17:06, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

NES classic is a straight port and Deluxe is a refined copy with also the Japan Mario 2 also there. But these at the end of the day are the original NES game 158.135.160.154 (talk) 03:57, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I dont think they count as Mario Bros, rather as seperate games. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:06, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Tetris (mobile) sales are confirmed as 425 million

in this page Tetris mobile sales are described as 100 million with a source that dates back to 2010, but we have an interview with Henk Rogers from 2014, where he confirms the mobile sales, and i quote "We have 425 million total paid mobile downloads. That’s all just on mobile." Source: (https://venturebeat.com/games/mr-tetris-explains-why-the-puzzle-game-is-still-popular-after-three-decades-interview/) Pedro101015 (talk) 16:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed and beaten into the ground over the years, but Henk Rogers is not seen as a reliable source here, especially as he does not represent EA. That's why this very same claim is also excluded from that actual article on Tetris EA. -- ferret (talk) 16:54, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you're not gonna get anywhere with this. I think the people here are too stubborn Man-Man122 (talk) 14:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Exactly. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:07, 20 April 2024 (UTC)