Talk:List of aircraft hijackings

Sourcing

Please do not add to this list without sourcing it! Old listings need to be sourced! --Lendorien (talk) 23:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

On a list like this, isn't it ok to just provide a link to the main article for the event, which has all the necessary sourcing, instead of repeating all that research here? I see a list like this as a list of articles, not so much a historical record. For me it's a heck of a lot easier to make meaningful additions and modifications without having to look up all the sources that are already provided elsewhere. I did that work for the DB Cooper entry, but there is no source given for the Air France flight 139 (Operation Entebbe) entry. I modified what was there based on the main article. Dcs002 (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Format

The article seems to be untidy with no actual layout, I think a major clean-up and new layout is in order and I think it should be like the List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft page which is kept to one standard and is neat. Just my opinion, your ideas? Zaps93 (talk) 12:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

D. B. Cooper

Is there a reason the most notorious hijacking in American history prior to 9/11 isn't on this list? See D. B. Cooper. Dcs002 (talk) 21:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. I just added it, with two citations (read and verified as current) and much text from the D. B. Cooper Wikipedia article. Dcs002 (talk) 21:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyvio

The paragraph about Eastern Air Lines Shuttle Flight 1320 is pretty much directly lifted from here. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû 04:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Timeline (?)

Under 1990s it states that Flight 8969 was the "a landmark: the first known hijacking where the intention was to destroy the aircraft and passengers, and use the fuelled aircraft as a missile to destroy ground targets". But the FedEx Flight 705, which is listed directly above, took place before with a similar objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.170.200.242 (talk) 19:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Dec. 16, 1971, an armed gunman reroutes an Air Canada jet to Cuba not listed? Peaches44 (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

To add you just need proper citations from RS's. - SantiLak (talk) 22:14, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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Flags

What do the flags add? --John (talk) 05:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Officer Robert Rosenbloom

I was curious today when the news mentioned D.B. Cooper as the only unsolved U.S. plane hijacking because I remember the Officer Robert Rosenbloom killing and the the killers hijacked a plane. His son was in school with my brother. Is there a reason this doesn't qualifiy? Here is a link. http://www.nmstatepoliceassoc.com/officer_memorial.htm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odestiny (talk • contribs) 00:58, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Listing of 9/11/2001 alleged hijackings

Note: I've moved this comment to a new section, at the end of the talk page, to make sure it is seen and receives whatever degree of attention it is due. By doing this, I am not taking a position either for or against the other editor's comments. Richwales (talk) 14:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I added a comment on the 9/11/2001 alleged hijackings to the effect that the official government/Commission story cannot be taken at face value. My edit was deleted by Rich Wales on the grounds that I gave no "reliable source" for my comment and that information given has to be "neutral". The information given on the Wiki page for these events is taken entirely from the 9/11 Commission Report and/or government statements - neither of which can be considered to be "reliable sources". Specifically, the Commission Report is known to have been based on 'evidence' gained through torture, in particular of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times in two weeks. His "confession" is therefore totally unreliable and should not be taken to represent fact. It would not be admitted in a court of law. The Bush administration was not known for its truthfulness; thus any statements from that source regarding the events of 9/11 must be treated with care. More specifically, the FBI has acknowledged that the phone calls alleged to have been made from the "hijacked" aircraft did not, in fact, take place. This is crucial because the call alleged to have been made by Barbara Olson to her husband Ted is the only one in which "hijackers" are mentioned. There is no corroborated evidence of the presence of any hijackers on any of the four planes alleged to have been hijacked.

The entry for 9/11 is therefore based entirely on unreliable sources and should either be deleted completely, or have a warning attached to it as unsubstantiated assertion.

A "neutral" entry, i.e. one without bias, would refer to the alleged hijackings as the "uncorroborated official conspiracy theory", and cite sources (there are many) which have shown that the official story cannot be true.

Wikipedia will otherwise stand accused of bias and dishonesty. I strongly object to the practice of allowing clearly biased people such as Rich Wales to decide on the acceptability of entries. His intervention undercuts the Wikipedia commitment to neutrality and lack of bias. Carlinesloup (talk) 20:58, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

My actions can certainly be overridden by other editors if there is a consensus that the existing text is inappropriate. I am not by any means trying to cover up the truth or force any of my own biases onto this or any other article. I would have no objection to a brief mention that the accuracy of some of the circumstances of this incident is disputed (with a link to 9/11 conspiracy theories), unless the consensus is that doing this would be giving WP:UNDUE weight to a WP:FRINGE theory. But a lengthy essay denouncing the generally accepted view is, IMO, not appropriate for a list of this type — especially when not supported by any sources of a type considered reliable per Wikipedia policy — and perhaps not even if such sources were to be supplied. Richwales (talk) 16:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Reformat

This bunch of information could be somewhat more useful if it were tabularized. Could be sorted by country, date, and other appropriate information. The flagicons are distracting IMO. Should get rid of them. Student7 (talk) 18:16, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose: Its a list, this seems to be a better format with short summaries and flags give a quick over view while looking for an event country wise. --lTopGunl (talk) 18:56, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Basaev

I've heard that Shamil Basaev hijacked a Turkish air liner in 1991. It was a sign of a protest against the State Committee on the State of Emergency. Can someone write about it?178.177.96.245 (talk) 10:08, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Done — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.177.110.3 (talk) 13:14, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

The word terrorist removed from Israeli military's hijacking

Cmckain14 insists that the word terrorist does not appear constructive to him, I'm removing the word terrorist from the entire page if that is the case. It doesn't make sense to call other hijackers terrorists but not use the same term for the Israeli armed forces which hijacked a civilian plane and held people hostages to demand that their spies be let go. 71.163.145.249 (talk) 04:41, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Cruise Missile?

In the entry for FedEx 705, this page claims that the hijacker intended to use the plane as a cruise missile and crash it into FedEx headquarters. This claim is not repeated on the main page for this flight, and I can't find any reliable references to it elsewhere on the internet. Should it be removed? 2601:647:4E00:9ACB:415C:6FF7:1752:F27 (talk) 15:19, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

MH370 flight

Shouldn't we add that the MH370 airplane was probably hijacked? --212.186.14.29 (talk) 18:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

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Longest hijacking?

October 31, 1969 (Minchiello) ends with "Covering 6900 miles, this was the longest hijacking in history". July 2, 1971 (Jackson) ends with "It was a record for long distance hijacking, over 7,500 miles". April 5, 1988 (unnamed culprits) says "is the longest skyjacking to date". Are these using different classifications of "longest"? Were they the longest at the time (in which case the first statement is now false)? Or are two of these statements simply wrong? Molinari (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

You think that's bad? The english version of wikipedia only has that little entry about him, while the italian version has a whole detailed article about the guy!

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaele_Minichiello

Considering that he was a US Marine, AND the hijacking took place in our country, shouldn't there be an english translation? Or is it information that SOMEONE is trying to hide from us?

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Request

Hello my name is Maria Becerra and I was looking for some information on a hijacking to Havana Cuba in 1973 from Houston Hobby Airport, but not able to find anything..I know this to be true because I was a passenger on the plane in 1973 becerra66@yahoo.com please assist ( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.141.6 (talk) 15:36, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Aug 10th 2018

Someone stealing a plane (particularly and empty one) is NOT a hijacking. Andrewgprout (talk) 06:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

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What about the Damascus-bound Airbus A-320?

I can't seem to find the name of the airliner, but in October of 2012 the Turkish Air Force did force a Syrian bound airliner from Russia to land in Turkey. The argument seems to have been that the Turkish military suspected the airliner of carrying weapons, and cargo from the aircraft was seized. <https://www.france24.com/en/20121010-turkey-grounds-syrian-passenger-jet-security-concerns-weapons-fighter-planes><https://www.voanews.com/world-news/middle-east-dont-use/turkey-seizes-cargo-syrian-plane-forced-land-ankara>

WHY does this page not have an English equivalent

Why is it that there's an extensive article on this guy on the Italian language site, but only the most basic of info on the English site? https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaele_Minichiello

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Not forum

September 11 related. March 15, 2001: Another Vnukovo Airlines Tu-154 flying from Istanbul to Moscow was hijacked by three Chechens demanding it be diverted to Saudi Arabia. After the plane with 174 people on board landed at Medina the hijacker threatened to blow it up unless it would be refuelled for flying to Afghanistan.** This hijacking incident related with september 11 and september eleven. This was first wave and september 11 might be second wave attack. I do remember this because turkish hostess was killed when she was trying to open door to saudi police. The way that hijackers used was interesting and different. Then I thought on this, a turkish girl killed, nobody in the world will not give a damn on this incident and the way that hijcakers used will get used again. Another interesting thing hijcackers want to go to afghanistan. Who were hijcakers and where they were trying to go? Usama bin ladin? Just 6 months later same method used again. In the no documentary about september 11 nobody mention relation of two incident, even intel sources may be unnoticed but both very related. ITHAKATU 22:47, 27 June 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mithaturk (talk • contribs)

Various issues

1. What evidence is there of the 1919 hijacking by Franz Nopcsa von Felső-Szilvás? I notice that we don't even have a month for it, just that it took place between March and July. By contrast, the 1928 hijacking in Michigan (the following entry) was front-page news not only locally ("Sky Thug and Pilot Plunge 2,000 Feet Fighting") but in Canada as well ("Pilot Attacked in Air by Passenger"). How could the first airplane hijacking be so poorly documented that we don't even know what month it took place?
2. The 1929-1930 hijacking of Doc DeCelles is even less documented. It doesn't appear to have been reported until 40 years after it took place. Given that when DeCelles reported the hijacking in 1970, it was an era when hijacking was much in the news, it seems possible to me that this was just a man telling a tall tale about being the first person ever skyjacked (I assume he didn't know of the earlier, and documented, 1928 hijacking in Michigan). "DeCelles kept his flight log, according to the article, but he did not file a report with authorities." What kind of flight log fails to record even the year when a flight took place?
3. The 1932 hijacking in Brazil refers to the hijackers and their hostage as "four African American men". Not only is this racial description of questionable relevance, it seeems likely to be misleading, as the term African American is usually used only in reference to people from the United States, and I would be surprised if the persons involved in this hijacking were from the U.S.
4. There seems to be excessive use of flag icons in this article in violation of the guidelines at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons#Inappropriate use. Whenever a hijacked flight stopped to refuel in another country, that country's flag gets added to the entry, even if the flag does not represent the flight's origin or intended destination, the airline's nationality, or the hijackers' nationality or chosen destination.

-- Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:59, 29 July 2023 (UTC)

In ref to the 1932 hijacking, see below:

Translated from: https://www-desastresaereos-net.translate.goog/ac_br_1930-1939.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

09.25.1932 Pan Am Sikorsky S-38 Prefix: P-BDAD (PP-PAD) / (ex-NC113M)

Three men supporting the Constitutionalist Revolution of 1932 stole the Sikorsky S-38 prefix P-BDAD 'Pernambuco', which was parked at the Panair do Brasil workshops, on Ilha dos Ferreiros, in Rio de Janeiro.

Taking the aircraft's lookout with them, they tried to reach São Paulo, but crashed near São João do Meriti, in Rio de Janeiro. There were no survivors: the three revolutionaries, Gastão Lopes Leal, Walter Voss and Jaime Taveira (a Panair mechanic) and Manuel Machado, the kidnapped watchman, died.

This was the first hijacking of a commercial aircraft with Brazilian registration

Translated from: https://stringfixer-com.translate.goog/pt/Nyrba_do_Brasil?_x_tr_sl=pt&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc.

incidents

 September 25, 1932: a P-BDAD from the Sikorsky S-38, still bearing the Nyrba do Brasil titles, was seized in the company's hangar by three men, who took a fourth hostage. None was an aviator, but managed to take off. However, the aircraft crashed in São João de Meriti, killing all four men. Apparently, the kidnapping was related to the events of the Constitutionalist Revolution in São Paulo and is considered the first kidnapping that took place in Brazil. [41] [42]

 41  ^ Pereira, Aldo (1987). Brief History of Brazilian Commercial Aviation . Rio de Janeiro: Europe. P. 337.

 42  ^ Germano da Silva, Carlos Ari César (2008). "A real adventure". The witch's trail: history of Brazilian commercial aviation in the 20th century through its accidents 1928-1996 (in Portuguese) (2 ed.). Porto Alegre: EDIPUCRS. pp. 22–23. ISBN 978-85-7430-760-2.

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Air Accidents in Brazil

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Accident of September 25, 1932

This episode marks the first record of aircraft hijacking in Brazilian territory. Three men who were sympathetic to the Constitutionalist Revolution of 1932 stole the Sikorsky S-38 P-BDAD Pernambuco aircraft that was parked in Panair's workshops on Ilha dos Ferreiros in Rio de Janeiro. The hijackers took the plane's watchman with them, the intention was to reach São Paulo, however, in São do Meriti, Rio de Janeiro, there was a crash that killed all the passengers Appleidiot (talk) 01:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for these links. However, to be clear, I was not questioning the occurrence of the hijacking on Sept. 25, 1932 in Rio de Janeiro. Besides the sources you provided, it was reported at the time by the Associated Press in the United States. What I was questioning was why the hijackers and their hostage were described as "African American", which is a term normally applied to black people from the United States (as distinct from Afro-Brazilians). Regardless of what race these individuals were, it didn't even seem appropriate to describe them by race in this context anyway. And, as indicated in this article, one of the hijackers, Walter Voss, was described at the time as a German, thus making it unlikely that he was African-American or even Afro-Brazilian (the ethnicity of the other people involved was not mentioned in the sources I have found). Fortunately, another user has already deleted the "African American" description here. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:41, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Tentative addition

Being a neophyte, I'd like some guidance on adding to this list. I think this incident deserves to be added because the pilot was coerced to change the direction and destination of the aircraft. 20 October, 1921 - King Charles (Karoly) IV was forced to renounce his throne following Hungary's defeat in World War I and the disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian empire. He sought refuge in Switzerland (1), but his ambitions to regain power led him to make multiple failed attempts to reclaim the Hungarian throne. The 20 October, 1921 aircraft hijacking attempt (3) involved a 6-passenger Junkers F-13 belonging to Swiss Aviation company Ad Astra. They departed Zurich-Dubendorf (2) for a local flight. Once airborne, Charles IV and five loyal ex-colonels coerced the pilot to change the aircraft's direction, eventually landing at Dénesfá, Hungary. He switched to a train and headed towards Budapest. This coup attempt ultimately failed when his forces were defeated by government-aligned forces at the Battle of Budaörs three days later. The Swiss pilot was repatriated but the aircraft interned, ending up at the Budapest Aviation Museum where it still resides (4). Sources 1 https://iho.hu/hirek/kiralypuccs-a-vilag-elso-repulogepelteritese-111027?_x_tr_sl=h 2 https://en.mandadb.hu/cikk/660803/The_history_of_aviation 3 https://dailynewshungary.com/the-craziest-aircraft-hijackings-in-the-history-of-hungary/ 4 https://www.idflieg.com/junkers-f13.htm Appleidiot (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

• The question, in my mind, is whether that was really a hijacking, at least in more than a technical sense. It could have been that Charles and the colonels had chartered the plane, given that they constituted all the passengers, and just didn't tell the pilot until they were in the air that they really wanted to go to Hungary. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:11, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

  I know Ad Astra did not start scheduled service until 1922 but flying into Hungary was of itself an illegal act due to the terms in place at the end of WWI. The Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Trianon had imposed a 6 month prohibition of any non-Allied aviation activity including commercial use effective June 1921. This was in force on the date of the incident. So even if they chartered the flight, they had to force the pilot to divert from what he had planned and break the law by entering Hungary. That is why I think constitutes an "unlawful seizure" of the aircraft. Appleidiot (talk) 01:46, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Plagiarism (and lack of citation) in 1990s section

The first item in the 1990s section about America West Flight 727 is largely plagiarized from this Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/01/18/bid-to-hijack-jet-to-cuba-foiled-in-texas/1679a09b-3bc2-4965-9360-67957c2a731a/ Lumiras (talk) 16:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

First American Air Hijack Attempt Happened in Ohio : 6 july 1954 ?

Good morning. I just came across this article announcing that the first hijacking attempt in the USA took place in 1954. Can anyone verify? In France where I am, this story is completely unknown.

https://toledogazette.wordpress.com/2016/07/07/first-american-air-hijack-attempt-happened-in-ohio/

The year was 1954, 62 years ago this week on July the 6th when a large framed 15-year-old boy, wearing a leather coast denim jeans boarded an American Airlines plane at Cleveland Hopkins airport, waving a pistol and demanded that the pilot fly the plane to Mexico. The pilot, however, reached into high flight bag and withdrew a .38 caliber handgun and shot the young teen twice, once in the hip and once in the chest. He died about an hour later at the hospital...

L'amateur d'aéroplanes (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2024 (UTC)