Talk:List of Top Gear (American TV series) episodes

Tim Allen Lap

tim allens lap time wasnt a wet lap, it right on the main page but on the episode descripion is wrong.

You're right - the Lap Time Board on the show does not say 'wet'. After viewing the episode, I would call that a damp lap (not like my thought counts when it comes to this). I'll change the article to reflect what the shows Lap Time Board has. Md2 943 (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Season 2

I just added filler text from the History Channel website about last night's episode. If someone could beef it up, I would appreciate it!

ChadH (talk) 16:51, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Also can we add the links for all the cars used and reviewed in each episode?

Thanks!
-Anonymous — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.216.14.32 (talk) 03:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I've added car links to Season 2, Episode 2. If I get some time tonight I'll try and fix the others. ChadH (talk) 17:30, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Feature v. Challenge

There seems to be no rhyme or reason to how a specific film is labeled a feature v. a challenge. I think the labels are a) overused; b) inconsistently used and c) undefined. And what's the point? The only label that is functional is the one labeling one of a number of challenges, such as with the Big Rigs segments of the latest episode. The rest of the labels add little, are largely meaningless and should go in toto. This article has a lot more bulk than its British sister-article already, includes an excess of redundancies, and is drifting into fancruft. --Drmargi (talk) 17:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I like how the Big Rig episode box is laid out. Feature should be the overall topic (since they seem to not be doing the news or car reviews) and Challenges organized by number should be the actual activity and the winner. It would be great to go back and make this list consistent, but in some ways this list is based on original work (watch an episode and report) and since the History Channel website only provides an overview someone would have to re-watch and episode. For the most part, no one should challenge whether Tanner won a challenge because if you simply watch the episode you know. But I wonder if having this much detail could venture in WP:NOR if someone would ever say X did not happen and the only source is to watch the episode which is not available to everyone... ChadH (talk) 17:52, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The feature and challenge definitions you provide make some sense, but if a film includes challenges, it should be labeled as a Challenge. Tanner's review of a car is a feature. The big rigs were definitely a challenge. They also do races occasionally. If we can agree on that, at least the labels have some meaning. That said, I do think an argument can be made that the feature label is excessive. But to describe something as a feature, then list a series of challenges under is, as is done for some episodes, is absurd. Also, describing the news, what was discussed during BSSC and other minutia isn't important. I'll work on pruning and on developing some level of consistency in the next couple days. --Drmargi (talk) 18:12, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

After having a look at List_of_Top_Gear_episodes I think this list should be more like the UK list. That list (UK) is clean and concise with a main article page to the detailed info for that season (Top_Gear_(series_15)). You'll also notice that they use Challenge then Challenge 1 Challenge 2 and so on; though they are not consistent with this. Also, while snooping around Wikipedia:WikiProject_Television/Episode_coverage they have this template Template:Episode_list. This still does not provide consistency of terminology. I'm starting to lean that a show specific Wikipedia:TASKFORCE for Top Gear (UK, AU, etc.. included) to within WP:TV to address these issues in a manner that promotes consensus. ChadH (talk) 23:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps eventually we need to be as abbreviated as UK's is. They've done 18 seasons and nearly 200 episodes, so there's good reason. Right now, we have the luxury of a small number of episodes, and can be a bit more verbose. What we need to find is a happy medium; there are only a handful of editors working on the article at present, which makes that easier. I'm not keen on the episode list template, which was designed for scripted shows. What we have here in terms of format is nice. We just need to tighten up the content a bit. --Drmargi (talk) 03:17, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Season 3

Hi. Uh, if you check the episode guide (in the cites/references section of the List of Episodes page) or even go to, say, Amazon, you'll find that Big Rigs, listed as Season 3 Episode 1, is actually within Season 2. There is no Season 3, Season 2 got extended. So "Big Rigs" and "Muscle Cars" need to be added to Season 2, as well as the six remaining episodes in the Season (as they are released). There shouldn't be a Season 3 section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.190.203 (talk) 04:18, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

--Done BTW the production crew is calling it season 2.5 David1544 (talk) 05:38, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Do you have a reliable, verifiable source for that? Your opinion or the claim that the crew is calling it 2.5 or whatever isn't sufficient. It may be true; the History Channel press releases and the website are inconsistent about it. Regardless, we need discussion here, and a reliable source that this is actually an extension of Season 2, not Season 3 as has been advertised. --Drmargi (talk) 06:08, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Problem, the website is now referring to it as season 2, per the online episode guide. So X'Hal only knows what we should be calling it now... rdfox 76 (talk) 01:03, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Just to throw another monkey in the wrench, IMDb is calling this season 3... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1657260/ But.... Final Gear calls it season 2 http://www.finalgear.com/shows/topgearusa/ ChadH (talk) 03:18, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, swell. I wish History would make up its mind. IMDB is fan-submitted, so they're probably going by what we have or what History showed when the episodes were first posted, and Final Gear is a fan website, so they're not definitive. At this point, our most reliable source is History, I guess. I'm going to check the UK Top Gear site, and see what they have to say. --Drmargi (talk) 03:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

As stated, go to Amazon and see season 2 of Top Gear USA, the newer episodes show up there. And here's an interview Rut did with Jalopnik where he says it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lhav0lV1BDw&t=3m26s — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.190.203 (talk) 03:51, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

But..... iTunes is calling it season 2, volume 2 http://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/top-gear-season-2-vol.-2/id498346734 - I think the only thing we can do is go by what the History Channel list, not what Rutledge or 3rd party company, and note the dates appropriately. Eventually if they (History Channel) release season 2 on DVD (or other media) and it's separated by volumes or by season 2/3 then we can change it or leave it. ChadH (talk) 23:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Can we just end this argument, History Channel is calling it season 2 and that is final. It doesn't matter what a fan site says it is the production company and channel are calling it seasion 2. And about the 2.5, it was just a little funfact. No need to get upset about whether it is official. David1544 (talk) 01:41, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

First of all, David, no one is upset, and this is not an argument, it's a discussion toward consensus, something we'd reach faster if you would calm down, observe WP:CIVIL and stop attempting to be the sole, final arbiter of what is or isn't the season number. The fun fact was great, season #.5 being a pretty commonplace expression for the back-half episodes, but it wasn't clear that's what you meant it to be. Moreover, please do not make any edits to content while it's under discussion. Once we reach consensus, the appropriate edit will be made. In the meantime, you need to let the process run its course. You might also want to review WP:RS to see what constitutes a reliable source that can verify the season number. When you made your first comments above, you seemed to expect us to take you at your word, rather than providing a source that was verifiable; it was me who raised the question of what History said, which at the time was inconsistent: the main page said the current episodes said Season 3, and the episode guide had just shifted the episodes from Season 3 to Season 2.

That said, I'm not remotely interested in what Amazon, iTunes, the IMDB or Final Gear have to say. The Jalopnik interview with Rut certainly lends credence to this being an extended Season 2, but fails WP:VERIFY. History and BBCWorldwide are the reliable sources. History seems to have finally made up its mind, although I'd be more comfortable with a second source, at least a press release, to back up the website given all the change (and press releases are reliable, David.) I think it we take a bit more time to do a little more research, we can sew this issue up once and for all. --Drmargi (talk) 08:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Second Source http://press.bbcworldwideamericas.com/press-release.jsp?id=53866

As a result of the success, the network plans to extend the season with eight new episodes and is already in production, set to premiere in early 2012.

With the History Channel website and a press release, I Support merging Season 3 to Season 2 and updating the count appropriately. ChadH (talk) 17:00, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks like we're good to go now. That BBCWorldwide press release is definitive, given it says the season was extended in so many words. Thanks for going the extra mile and finding it, Chad. I'll go revert my last edit, which should put the episodes back into Season 2. --Drmargi (talk) 17:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Just want to point out that I, the unsigned user 24.whatever, who brought up the Amazon bit and Jalopnik post, and David, the dude who apparently edited the page, are two separate entities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.178.190.203 (talk) 22:38, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Apologies to bring up the Season 2 versus Season 3 thing again but I was wondering if we could add a note under the season 2 headline that Season 2 was extended and that there was some confusion given the time gap between episodes? Keep up the good work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.110.245 (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Hey everybody! Just realized that there’s quite a bit missing about some later episodes in season 3. If I find some time tonight I’ll fill some of them up. Since this will be my first “real” contribution to Wikipedia (yaaay!) I thought I give anybody moderating or watching this page a heads-up first, in case I screw something up. Pstrahl (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello everyone I just wanted to point an error. In Season 3 Episode 15 "Minnesota Ice Driving". You this "Feature: The guys tries to find the perfect winter beater for $2000. Tanner bought a Nissan 300ZX, Adam a Chevrolet K5 and Rutledge a Subaru Legacy GT." Well Adam does not drive a Chevrolet K5. Its a Chevrolet Blazer. The K5 Blazer is a totally different SUV. I just wanted to throw out there the correct info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:D:2A40:3B:1498:A169:BC9F:A46D (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Spoilers

Am I the only one who's annoyed by how this list gives away the result of all the challenges and tests in the description? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolf174 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Season Four v. Season Five

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this season being Season 4 v. Season 5. Futon Critic identifies this new group of episodes as Season 5 per the production codes for the episodes (and they come from History), and at the time Season 4 ended, there was publicity regarding the last episode in November being the season finale; the press release for the season does not describe any of the episodes we're currently seeing. Moreover, this season isn't over; it's on hiatus until the first Sunday of August (per a voice-over announcement at the end of the last episode), when it will move to Sunday. The History Channel site is odd. I think their identifying the episodes as Season 4 is either an error or after-the-fact renumbering that came as a result of the shortened Season 4. I seem to recall (and will try to find) reading that they cut S4 short because of Adam's injury and possibly Tanner's racing schedule. Therefore, per BRD, I have reverted to the previous version. --Drmargi (talk) 16:44, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

This is not season 5. History's own webpage (which is correct - you cannot argue against the people who make it) says these new episodes are part of season 4. On iTunes it shows that these new episodes are season 5 but this is wrong. For a while, History's own webpage had these episodes down as season 5 but reverted it a couple of weeks in to the series. Also, look at the 'Complete Series 4' Top Gear USA DVD. It was released in December of last year and contains these episodes that we are discussing along with the ten we can both agree were in series 4. SERIES 5 HAS NOT BEEN MADE YET. Mvanterati (talk) 11:21, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Season renumbering by History

It seems that History is rewriting... history... by splitting seasons 2 and 3 along the lines of their airdate groupings (thus turning them into four seasons of eight episodes each): http://www.history.com/shows/top-gear As of this writing, there are now eight seasons (including the one currently airing), not six. This would need some rework on this page to do the renumbering. Todd Vierling (talk) 19:45, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we can treat that website as a reliable source. They change up the numbering for reasons that defy understanding. The production codes indicate this is the sixth season, and the press releases and cast identify it as the sixth season. Let's go with that. --Drmargi (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

This is incredibly irritating, because it only makes sense that it's in the sixth season. The numbering has suddenly gone to pot. I vote in favour of keeping the Wiki page as it is, and let History do whatever the hell they want with their page. Piro RoadKill (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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