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List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China

Those missionaries in this list page that are already in the List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China could be deleted from here and replaced as a group by inserting the CIM link. DFH 18:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Link inserted in the See also section. All that remains to do now is to filter out the CIM names from the list, and add an explanation near the top of the article. DFH 20:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I have now filtered out the names that were duplicated in the CIM list, though I can't vouch for accuracy on whether any of the names remaining should be moved to that list. I also restructured the page, and added a category. DFH 13:03, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

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Actions required to improve the linked articles

The linked article for each listed missionary needs to be checked to see if the See also section has a list of names that can be simply replaced by a link back to this article, and/or to the one for CIM missionaries. DFH 19:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

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List of China Inland Mission missionaries in China

Thanks, David for all of your good ideas. It might be good to break down the list by society. I plan on filling in a lot of these "red" links soon. Some individuals made contributions in multiple societies after leaving the C.I.M. and I wouldn't want to pigeonhole them (such as C.T. Studd). But I do agree that we have a lot of duplication going on. Brian York

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Taiwan

I have assumed that it is appropriate to include here missionaries such as Reverend Thomas Barclay who was a missionary in Taiwan. DFH 15:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Mergers

Hello, I have made some bold attempts to put all of the Protestant missionaries to China on one page. I admit that it is bulky, but I believe that it would aid researchers who are not familiar with which agency exactly to look for. Please feel free to comment. A good goal would be to have each agency under it's own header.Brian0324 21:38, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Since The Hundred missionaries of the CIM in 1887 aren't notable enough in their own right for a page - the material has been added here.Brian0324 18:10, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Source documents - I think what would be most useful is that a page could be made for lists of source documents with the title of source, name of person, missionary society, location, date that would avoid duplication of effort for reading and transcribing and show where people could go to get more info about a person. The creation of lists of members of societies, missionaries in X (eg Shanxi), movement of missionaries between socities, etc., could be easily done. Pbhj (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Agencies - could we dispense with the page of [List_of_Protestant_missionary_societies_in_China_1807-1953 missionary agencies] and instead have the details merged here? Why are only Protestant listed, why not Catholic too? It will make a huge page, but I think that is better for organising the stuff. We should stick to a basic format too (not tables!) whilst the page is being made up and then agree to convert it to a table later. Comments? Pbhj (talk) 16:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

There is a List of Roman Catholic missionaries in China, already. It would be confusing to merge them with this list. I divided the missionaries by their agency like most source documents did.Brian0324 (talk) 18:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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non-notables

The following have been removed from the list until notability or relevance is established.

"Other C.I.M. workers"

William J. Drew
Adam Grainger
Charles Herbert Hess
George F. Holmes
Winifred May Jennings Hess
Alfred Jennings
Rose Jennings
Jessie Jennings
Raymond H. Joyce
Barbara Reid Kauderer (1903 - 1931) Nanchang
Johann George Kauderer (1897 - 1930) Nanchang
Mary Kennedy
Andrew Kennedy
Aubrey Parsons
Talmage Dewitt Payne (Yunnan)
Lillian Phillips
Malcolm Phillips
Fred Purchas
May Purchas (nee Grainger)
Joan Wales

non-notables I don't think (Brian?) has done this right. Non-notables shouldn't have pages on wikipedia, but they shouldn't be excised from lists. Any non-notables should be included but not wikified. Indeed I would remove the wikilink for all those names not currently represented as separate pages. Pbhj (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

See WP:NOTE for further info on my rationale, here. They simply shouldn't be on the list if notability can't be established - Wikipedia isn't a storage for information - it's an encyclopedia, of course. Cheers!Brian0324 (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I would usually agree with Brian0324, but in this case would rather keep the names unwikified, as there are records of these CIM missionaries, and virtually all did have an impact historically. However, we could shorten the list by regrouping families: e.g. Johann and Barbara Kauderer, Andrew and Many Kennedy, Malcom and Lillian Phillips, Fred and May Purchas, etc..., if that's ok.--Scotchorama (talk) 16:55, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I have a number of books on the CIM, but these names are unfamiliar to me. Are they mentioned in anything other than the unpublished CIM records in any significant way? I think that that is the standard WP approach to biographical notability - appearing in print as a significant subject. I would really like to know their stories - but I would hate to see a list like this become an unwieldy collection or a mere memorial to anyone who served on the mission field in China.Brian0324 (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree that not all should be listed. Here are a few that may be notable enough: William Drew, George F. Holmes and Aubrey Parsons are mentioned in the Emil Fischbacher article, Adam Grainger wrote "Western Mandarin of the Spoken Language of west China", published by the American Presbyterian Mission, Raymond H Joyce is mentioned several times as an expert on Islam (he focused on Islam after being expelled by the Communists in China), Talmage Payne is mentioned as a famous graduate of the Moody Bible Institute before being expelled from China, Joan Wales has had a book written about her (Point Me to the Skies, by Ronald Clements). What we could do is paste such lists to "list" articles linked to individual article. For example, a list of CIM missionaries could be created as a separate article linked from the CIM/OMF main article. Since there already is a separate article for Historical bibliography of OMF International, that would not be unreasonable, I think.--Scotchorama (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Or we could list the dead links in this talk page, and then move them into the standard page when articles have been written on them.--Alfredie (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

That's ok with me. Also, if nobody objects, I'd like to redo (at some point) the Other Protestant Agencies table and make it sortable. That will help regrouping missionaries under the Affiliation category.--Scotchorama (talk) 08:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

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Pearl Buck

i'm not seeing Pearl Buck. I don't know the subject well enough so I'm not sure if this is deliberate but she is arguably the most famous chinese missionary ever. jbolden1517^Talk 22:49, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I added Buck to the list. She is less notable as a missionary than as an author.Brian0324 (talk) 14:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

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George Kaufelt Harris (1887–1962)

CIM published a book entitled, Torch for Islam : a biography of George K. Harris, missionary to Muslims (1965). This is now out of print. According to COPAC, a copy is held at Oxford. DFH (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

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