Talk:List of Mobile Suit Gundam 00 characters

Pang Hercules

Shouldn't he be listed as well? Even though he was a minor character, his role is arguably more significant than some of the other people listed here such as Barack Zinin. Shaneymike (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no objection. Go ahead and add it, the worst thing that can happen is that somebody gets upset and removes it. Now as for Pang Hercules vs Barack Zinin... While Hercules role might have had more of a plot relevance it is also true that Barack showed up in more episodes and from what I remember even was a character from Season one. Also, Laguna Harvey isn't included either because even though his role was fairly important for the plot, he wasn't deemed 'important' enough in the show itself it seems. Thronedrei (talk) 08:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Barack Zinin is a reoccurring character, so should remain. Pang Hercules, is a throwaway character. While he does initiate a major event, he is still an incidental character. Also characters such as Homer Katagiri and Arthur Goodman didn't have significant roles in the series and their descriptions should be trimmed to reflect this. --Farix (Talk) 20:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Hm, I'll wait and see what other people think before I do anything. Shaneymike (talk) 20:17, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added Pang Hercury to the list. I await your assessment.Shaneymike (talk) 00:51, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Hercules is still an incidental character who is quickly killed off after he is introduced. —Farix (t | c) 20:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Anew Returner

shouldnt she be in the celestial being cast? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.18.134.228 (talk) 16:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's true that Anew serves with the protagonists longer then she does the antagonists. In fact, she was listed with the other Ptolemaios II crew members until ep19 was aired. But I believe that there is an argument to be made to keeping all of the Innovators together except for Tieria. But the real question is, how would a casual reader view this? --Farix (Talk) 20:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, some characters are harder top place than others. For instance the Trinity siblings were a part of Celestial Being, this make them eligible to be placed directly underneath the Ptolemy crew themselves. Likewise with Louise Halevy, while she was an antagonist/villain for the entirety of season 2 and should be placed in A-Laws, she was also belonged the the "others" group in S1. So maybe Anew should be placed in the "others" category?Thronedrei (talk) 11:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I believe Anew should also be the exception, she wanted to return to Celestial being but died. As for a casual reader, I find it a little annoying that the information is very limited and that some of the terms are not used in the English version. for instance, the article still uses "stragetic predictions" when the English uses "tactical forecast"....I'm just saying. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.249.176.77 (talk) 15:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

The sometimes horrible rewriting of scenes and lines in the English version almost made me gag at times. the English version added a lot of words and poor phrasing that changes many characters personality, in fact it even skips some lines that were crucial in order to understand some of the "lesser characters".Thronedrei (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

this wuold be much simpler if we kept it as prontagonist/antagonist/other....also most of the characters here have very little information while the other lesser characters have much more information. This page needs work.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The list is already formatted along the lines of protagonists, antagonists, and others with further subdivisions do to complaints that the in-universe organization was being lost.

This is my proposal, we put team trinity with Ptolemy II including Anew reurner since they were the protagonist through most of the series. As for Louise Halevy, she was a protagonist during the first half and an antoginist during the second, it's too even to call which one she was more, so it's really difficult to put her in a category other than 'other'.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Team Trinity were neither protagonists nor part of the Ptolemaios's crew. They were a separate group that were actually somewhat adversarial towards the Ptolemaios and the Gundam Meisters as the Trinity viewed them as being too soft. However, they were never truly antagonists as they did not oppose the protagonists. That's why they were placed into "Other characters". --Farix (Talk) 20:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Team trinity might not have been part of the Ptolemy crew, but they were still part of Celestial being. As for being adversarial, that would make Marina Ismael and adversary to Celestial Being since her PoV is completely opposite of theirs. In fact the first half of the first season it was Marina's view VS Celestial Beings (Setsuna) with both of them wanting peace. Only when the Trinities showed up and acted as a mirror for Celestial Being did the protagonist truly start to question their own beliefs. I still say we should forgo this whole Protagonist/Antagonist/other grouping and opt to place the characters based on what inverse group the belonged too. The protagonists aren't necessarily the main characters of the show either it seems to me and it has been more left up to the viewers to decide what characters they will sympathize with and relate too.Thronedrei (talk) 02:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Using the official Japanese website as reference, Anew is categorized as Celestial Being. Nofairytale (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Team Trinity was listed as part of celestial being in S1. Nena Trinity, Wang Liu Mei and Hong Long were listed as part of Celestial being in S2.Thronedrei (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

A-Laws

i expected that the A-laws list would be lsightly longer, what happened to kujo's friend that is also a tactical forcaster? what about that guy who is incredibly annoying who follows her? Bread Ninja (talk) 15:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

They are already listed under first season antagonists and briefly mentioned in the A-Laws lead as returning characters. --Farix (Talk) 16:17, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

the listing is very difficult to read when characters are all off in different sections...if season two counts as a different series than shouldn't you mention double the info than what says here? like explain series one and than series two for each character that returned.Bread Ninja (talk) 18:36, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I initially proposed separate lists for Season 1 and 2, but that was shot down. But listing character's twice on the same list is completely redundant. If we are going to have one list, then all of their character information should be found in one place and not on different places on the list. --Farix (Talk) 20:16, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I meant we would have one paragraph explaining there part in season 1 and than another paragraph explaining there part in season 2. Since both season are counted as separate season. FOr example, louise halevy is one long paragraph explaining both seasons, instead we can split into two and separate the information so it would look better.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone here want to discuss anything? because this whole article needs serious work.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Some of the character descriptions need to be copyedited and put in order as revealed in the series, but overall, the list is fine. --Farix (Talk) 16:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

the list does have some exceptions for certain characters and there is far too little information on the characters.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I'd argue the opposite is true as well. While some characters have too little info many of the characters have to much information. In a way you don't even have to watch the show itself since it is almost told in detail what happens in it. I did like your previous suggetsion though. We should break up the character descritions in two brackets. One for the first season and another one for the second season.Thronedrei (talk) 20:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Healing Care or Hiling care

seems that healing care is constantly being reverted because of the japanese box art. IN the anime it is said "heeling or Healing" though the spelling is unsure. Does any one know her official name?Bread Ninja (talk) 16:42, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

My understanding was that it was "Hilling," but that might've been transliteration rather than an official translation. Same boat as Devine rather than Divine, Stabity rather than Stability, etc. 86.176.138.165 (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

'Hiling Care' according to official Gundam 00 website as well as model kit box artfor her custom Garazzo. Also, in the anime it was pronounced "hiringu", with no long sound on the "hi". The official katakana is ヒリング. Nofairytale (talk) 07:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

so is there a website to tell us there official names?Bread Ninja (talk) 17:35, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

English dub VS Japanese original.

How should we tackle information that is different and often even the opposite when comparing the English dub to the Japanese original series? I suggested to Fraktyl that if he insist on using "English version information only", that he should add a note that his information IS only in the English version and that it is not what happens in the Japanese original version. (Personally I think any English version information should just be ignored entirely but this is my personal opinion.) So what is you guys take on it? I want to try and avoid an edit war with a hardcore English dub supporter.Thronedrei (talk) 03:49, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Devine's intend to avenge Bring is the same in both versions, double checked on the Gundam wiki(info originated months before the dub). Also, I account to both versions as able as I can. The fact is you have an issue with allowing english information when presented. Maybe you are right, and maybe you are not, but you can't have one thing without the other because you feel the dub doesn't act faithful to the original version of show.Fractyl (talk) 04:08, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Devine: "Though acting cold about it, Devine took Bring's death hard and vowed to avenge him."

This is an interpretation and is not supported by the episode. When Hiling teases Devine about Bring's death, Devine blows Hiling off declaring that his is in rage was over Bring's incompetence. The only time Devine mentions vengeance is just before he is killed.

Nena: "looking out for her own happiness"

No where is this supported and is purely an interpretation. Just because something is an another Wiki doesn't mean that it is true or valid. Other wiki's are inherently unreliable as sources. —Farix (t | c) 11:31, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

While it prove I was right about Devine, I NEVER mention why he wanted to avenge Bring, only that he did. Also those were around Nena's lines in the episode she died in the dub version.Fractyl (talk) 13:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

No, you really shouldn't take subs as 'proof' unless you speak some Japanese yourself. Nena never said she was looking out for her own happiness, she mentioned that she was wanted a happy life. Of course she wanted to avenge her siblings and have her revenge. This is where the "wanted a happy life" came from, but nowhere did it say that she only looked out for her own happiness.Thronedrei (talk) 00:32, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Devine took Bring's death hard nor did he swear or work hard to avenge Brings death. These are all interpretations and should not be in the character discriptions. As for Nena, since the line doesn't exist in the original, it should be left out of the discription altogether. —Farix (t | c) 14:53, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

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