Talk:List of Inuyasha characters/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Naraku's other seiyu

Naraku had a different voice actor other than Morikawa during the beginning of the show. Can't remember his name. But he should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.97.162 (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this article be called something like List of InuYasha characters like similar lists? --Squilibob 02:56, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't appear to be a list. It should be called Characters of InuYasha though, shouldn't it? ^{Power level (Dragon Ball)} 15:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is more than just a list. It has descriptions of the characters. Even if "Characters of InuYasha" would be (marginally) better, it is probably not worth the trouble to change it now given that there are about one hundred pointers to it by this name "InuYasha characters". JRSpriggs 08:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

But if it isn't a list then what sets it apart from all the other Character list articles? I don't see any differences. Changing an article name creates a redirect and so no harm would be done renaming it. --Squilibob 09:00, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Update on cameo appearances

A mild update: Having reviewed episode 127 and 128, I can confirm Shin'ichi Kudo and Ran Mori positively, but not Shampoo. In the same seen as Kudo and Mori there is definitely a girl who could be Shampoo, but she is seen only from the back and at a distance, and could just as easily be Lum from Ursei Yatsura. Also, most everyone in said seen in some kind of costume, so nothing can be absolutely certain. Sadly, I cannot confirm "Mu-Mu-Chan" Mousse whatsoever - the closest I come is something white in the Curry stall that could be him, but as there is no sensible reason why a live duck would be inside a curry stall, my gut says it's probably a conatiner of some sort. However, this is taken from a taped copy of the Adult Swim broadcast, and thus "Mu-Mu-Chan" might simply have been edited out to buy a few seconds for commercials, along with a more confiming appearance of Shampoo. I need to check the DVD... --- the preceeding was put into the article by 66.169.128.113 (talk · contribs). I moved it here which is where it should be, given its style. JRSpriggs 09:57, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion it kind of looked like Lum, but her hair was more like Shampoo's which is what really confuses me, I just hope they air the episode again so I can take a better look. 66.50.95.249 03:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

-- there is no duck while inuyasha is running away from the curry stand. Must provide a better description of where said duck is located. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meowphine (talk • contribs) 07:04, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Shippo

Hi did anyone else confuse shippo for a girl at the start??

i mean first shippo said in a episode that inuyasha was his boyfriend and then in a later ep he transforms to Kagome to "confort" inuyasha (which he smacks him for it)

in any ways did anyone else for a while have a confusion with shippos gender?Maverick423 20:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries my sis and i had the same problem!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.202.59.177 (talk) 03:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Hell, I didnt even know he was a guy until that episode where he had a crush on the girl who had demon who looked like Kirara. Xer 05:33, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Aw man you all dont know how good it is to hear that i wasnt the only one to be confused. i sware some anime just leaves you wondering Maverick423 14:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I did not have this problem with Shippo. But in "Hikaru no GO", I initially thought that Sai and Akira Toya were female (long hair, esp. Sai) before learning that they were male. JRSpriggs 05:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

date wrong

Rather than "reincarnation of a priestess 50 years ago" it should be "500" years ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.109.193.163 (talk) 04:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

I think it means 50 years before the time of Kagome's adventures in the Feudal era rather than 550 years before today. JRSpriggs 09:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

More Inuyasha episodes

Theres a petition here*Inu Yasha Petition for more episodes to get more episodes. I added it in as an External link. Please don't delete!!!Tourskin 20:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The talking tree

Why does the talking tree have an article? It is far from being a notable character and its page is a stub. I suggest it gets merged somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk • contribs)

What? Which demon are you talking about? Please give a link or at least a name. JRSpriggs 03:56, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Bokusen'on, the talking tree demon who made the hilts for Tessaiga and Tensaiga. User:Artist Formerly Known As Whocares, 14:38 (Eastern Standard Time), 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't some of these pages be merged?

Because a lot of them seem pretty short and useless on their own, like the articles for Kikyo's soul collectors, Entei, Mistress Centipede, Ah-Un, etc. - The Norse 04:59, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I am not aware of any benefit from reducing the number of articles just to reduce the number of articles. Having separate articles allows them to be accessed more easily, if one is using the category system. JRSpriggs 00:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Merges

It is time that the InuYasha task force realizes that creating articles for every character named is not how to do things. As such, I suggest we merge a large number of these articles. And it should be done. If not, then I guarentee that you'll recieve AfDs in no time (not from me, of course), and most of your articles won't survive five minutes of an AfD. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 13:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

It has been four days now, enough for a new member to edit semi-protected articles. As such, I have been bold and merged several of the articles myself. Why? If not, your articles will get deleted eventually. Only give those with major roles like the main cast, Sesshomaru, Naraku, Kikyo, Kohaku, Kagura, Koga, and Rin articles, not Gatenmaru, who doesn't play any role at all. Unless you realize that what I'm saying is true, I will be forced to merge all but those impossible to easily merge. I also give the suggestion you get a wikia like Naruto, One Piece, Bleach (manga), and Marchen Awakens Romance did to store the unnecessary information. Not everything should be given an article here. On wikia, everything should. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 22:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Whether you are correct or not about the notability of these characters, there certainly are people who believe that they are notable. Therefor, you should not take it upon yourself to delete, redirect, or merge them without going through the proper procedures. Thus, I reverted your actions vis-a-vis Ah-Un. JRSpriggs (talk) 03:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

On an InuYasha wikia they would be notable. On Wikipedia, only the select few who play major roles, likes the ones stated above, should have articles. For example, most fans have no idea Ah-Un is the dragon's name, or even if it has one, and fans certainly care little about minor characters like Gatenmaru. Sesshomaru, however, is known throughout all fans and plays a major recurring role in the series, so he can have an article. Gatenmaru, however, was only a three-chapter character who played no role whatsoever that affected the plot, so why should he have one? You seem to not realize how deletion has happened here already, and will continue to happen unless the info is moved to a wikia or merged. If not, I'll have to bring AfDs up for the characters who have not role at all. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares (talk) 21:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. However, the criteria should not simply be "major" character getting an article, but whether any of these characters have real world notability as required by WP:FICTION to support having an article of their own. So far, I haven't seen any InuYasha character article that wasn't anything but pure WP:PLOT and I doubt a single character article would pass through AfD. It would be much better to merge in the character articles and make this a high quality list with proper sourcing, a better intro, good summations of the characters (an entire blow by blow of every episode is unneeded), and some good group images. I'd also question the inclusion of the game characters here. As they all appear to be game only characters that only appear in one game, they should be covered in the game article themselves, not here. I'm also inclined to consider the cameo section trivia, and unsourced trivia at that. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:37, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Merger with Ah-Un

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 – Ah-Un merged on January 9, 2008

I would not object to merging Ah-Un into this article, provided that it is actually a merger and not just a cover for a redirect. In other words, the bulk of the text in that article should be added to the text in the subsection on Ah-Un in this article, and the picture should be used here. JRSpriggs (talk) 03:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Is there actually anything in the Ah-Un article of note that is not already included here. And a picture isn't needed for every character, and why should he be the only one in the list with a picture? Rather than individual characters, per fair use guides it would be better to find good group shots for each section of folks. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

There were photos of most of these characters at one time but someone went through and removed them. I agree that a group photo for the Sesshomaru group would be better than individual photos of each of them. The speculation about the origin of Ah-Un's name could be dropped. JRSpriggs (talk) 04:21, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Having group photos is always preferable per WP:FU guidelines. I'll try and hunt some up.Showers (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

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Minor character Shiori?

A couple of months ago, I think the page for Shiori was purged when deleting the many InuYasha character pages. Is Shiori not notable enough to be on this page? Nancysing (talk) 04:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Multiple merges

Most of the characters just aren't notable; not even InuYasha has much to it. However, I think the main priority is to merge the minor characters into the list, clean it up, and start getting sources. Does anyone think that any of the articles listed on the merge tag should be kept? Remember, notability is determined by the amount of outside information.

Also, I think now would be a good time to rethink having a template for characters only. I believe that a general one (such as the one used on the main InuYasha page) should be used for everything. A character section could be made (after merging the locations and items/weapons, of course), which links to the main character pages that don't get merged. Overall, it'd look better. Should I start a discussion on the template talk page about this? WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree this needs to be done, and the individual templates merged. I've started individual sections below to discuss each that you tagged (and the other two that were already tagged). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! You noted that the video game characters shouldn't be listed--should I carry over the ones listed to the appropriate article? I'll also switch around a few sections, rename some others, and add Kagome's family members into her paragraph (of course, I'll still keep links until the merge/delete). There isn't really a need for a Kikyo section, considering that she travels alone with no notable companion for the most part. Koga's pack can probably be added to supporting characters as well; it only has 4 characters. I'm a little worried about breaking links, but at this point the character template will probably end up removed and all but a few main characters will eventually be merged. And even then, most of them with the exception of InuYasha and maybe Sesshomaru and Kagome seem merge-worthy. Should I tag Miroku, Sango, and Shippo as well then? WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 00:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Let's get through these discussions first before hitting round two LOL ;) Kikyo can go in the supporting characters, because while "importantish" she is still just a supporting character. There shouldn't be any broken links. Merged characters should be linked to their new sections here, and if support says delete those others, just redirect here in general. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:13, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It is a good idea to wait. With broken links, I meant when I was moving characters on this page around (such as Koga's group to Supporting Characters), though if the template is deleted, it won't be a problem. I also moved the Game Characters to their appropriate articles; while the game article character sections are a little messy and will need improvement, at least someone working on them might be able to add more to the character descriptions. For the Kikyo and other main characters, should I mention them on the Anime/Manga Clean up group or the main page? Might as well get a few volunteers early, right:) WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:46, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Moving them around shouldn't cause any broken links, presuming they are rightly linked to their names, no just the sections ;) For the rest, they can be added to the list of clean ups. For Kikyo, the discussion should finish first (at least 1 week should be allowed before any actions are taken), since she's already tagged. Meanwhile, I'll pop a note at the project tag regarding these merges to ensure we have full discussion, and maybe helpers to help merge those folks agree on LOL -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:49, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, thanks:) In the mean time, maybe I'll start fixing up the InuYasha main character articles (namely, InuYasha, Kagome, and Sesshomaru as they are the most likely to have reception and such). WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the opinions below, but I just want to say that when you move/merge things, do not forget to fix all the links in other articles (there's a special search to do this), otherwise you'll end up with tons of useless redirects, double-redirects, dead-ends and red links.--Boffob (talk) 13:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yup, I'm aware:) It'll be easy enough, though, sense most links are on character pages and will be deleted when the article is merged/deleted. After that, it's mainly just InuYasha related articles with a few random pages. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The double redirects will generally not last too long, though, thanks to that bot that runs around and fixes them. But agreed, that each merge process should include trying to clean up the links as much as possible. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:15, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

(sorry I haven't been on; my computer was having problems) I'll finish up with the rest of the merges, most likely tomorrow or the day after. I'm pretty busy today. Thanks, though, for the ones already completed! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

If people continue to delete and merge like this, it is a bad future that all the characters of Inu Yasha will be merged in one article. 137.132.250.10 (talk) 07:26, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hakushin

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 – Merged per consensus on October 6, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Abi-Hime

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 – Merged per consensus on October 7, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Kirara (InuYasha)

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 – Consensus agrees article fails notability requirements. Merged on October 10, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. While adorable, she is not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Easily summed up in a single short paragraph.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Kaede (InuYasha)

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:49, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Colincbn (talk) 16:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Myoga (InuYasha)

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Colincbn (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Tōtōsai

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support, he totally fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and while yes, he made the swords, he is not even that significant within the series. He certainly has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Colincbn (talk) 16:37, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Kikyo

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 – Kept separate for now to allow a month for article to be improved and confirm whether there is or is not notability.

• Oppose for now. Kikyo is discussed quite a bit in Anime Explosion and possibly some other printed anime/manga books. I think its possible her article can be greatly cleaned up and improved to the point of showing notability. Give it a month to show improvement, then revisit the merge suggestion if nothing else is found. Meanwhile, get together a volunteer or two experienced with character articles to hack the excessive plot stuff down, get it in proper format, and work on referencing and the like. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Tentative Oppose, per above. Colincbn (talk) 16:41, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Shinidamachū

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 – Completely unnotable; redirected to Kikyo (deletion via redirect)

• Delete all together, they fail WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N and are not notable enough within the series to merit either an article or a section. A brief mention in Kikyo's article/section is all that is needed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Kochō and Asuka

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 – Completely unnotable; redirected to Kikyo (deletion via redirect)

• Delete same as Shinidamachū. A brief mention in Kikyo's article/section is all these briefly appearing characters warrant. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Jaken

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support with some serious culling of current plot summary, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character in the real world and he has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Colincbn (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Rin (InuYasha)

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 – Merged per consensus on October 24, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources (and no, all the fanfics do not count). Like Jaken, her info needs some serious plot culling. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

• Abstain I'm not sure if we should just discount all the fanfics, it really depends on the volume of them I think. If a supporting role character becomes a meme or otherwise grows in popularity beyond the normal expected level for a non-central character then there might be an argument for keeping a separate page for said character. In this case I don’t think Rin quite reaches that level, but if someone had references to show otherwise I would be inclined to vote to keep the separate article. However I completely agree that her section should be streamlined and have much of the in-universe info removed. Colincbn (talk) 16:55, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Kohaku (InuYasha)

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character and has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:16, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Band of Seven

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support with massive cut down. Another group that doesn't need a separate list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Colincbn (talk) 16:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Saimyōshō

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 – Completely unnotable; redirected to Naraku (deletion via redirect)

• Delete same as Kikyo's Shinidamachū, Naraku's wasps only warrant a brief mention in his section/article, not an entire article or section of their own. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:19, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Naraku's Offspring

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 – Merged per consensus on October 10, 2008

• Support, with some clean up. No reason to have them in a separate mini-list, which is basically all that article is. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

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Koga (InuYasha)

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character in the real world and he has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:20, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Colincbn (talk) 16:59, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Mōryōmaru

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 – Merged per consensus on October 20, 2008

• Support with some massive plot reduction (current article is a chapter by chapter blow). He fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Not a notable character in the real world and he has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above. Colincbn (talk) 17:00, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Sota Higurashi

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 – Redirected to Kagome Higurashi per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete as a section all together. Brief mention in Kagome's section and perhaps InuYasha's section is all that is necessary. Completely unnotable, minor character. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Mama (InuYasha)

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 – Redirected to Kagome Higurashi per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete as a section all together. Brief mention in Kagome's section is all that is necessary for this unnotable, minor character. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Grandpa (InuYasha)

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 – Redirected to Kagome Higurashi per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete, same as the rest of Kagome's family. They are minor, unnotable characters and should only be briefly mentioned in her section as relevant.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:17, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hojo (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Redirected to Kagome Higurashi per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete all together, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Again, like Kagome's family, Hojo does not need a section of his own, just a brief mention in Kagome's section at best. Not a notable character in the real world and he has no significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:23, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Yuka, Eri, Ayumi

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Resolved

 – Redirected to Kagome Higurashi per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete same as Hojo. They all fail WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. These girls are not that significant to the series, and the whole Hojo thing is a very minor subplot. It isn't necessary for them to have their own sections, just brief mentions in Kagome's section. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Hitomi (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Unnotable for mention in list or other character articles; sent to AfD

• Delete complete, fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N. Even the article itself notes she a very minor character, and she is pretty much a one episode one. Not at all notable in either the real world or the series. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:25, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Mushin (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Redirected to Miroku (InuYasha) per consensus as deletion via redirect

• Delete with a brief mention in Miroko's section, same as Kagome's friends/family. He fails WP:PLOT, WP:WAF, WP:PLOT, and WP:N.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Utsugi

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Resolved

 – Merged to Inuyasha: The Secret of the Cursed Mask

• Support, but merge to Inuyasha: The Secret of the Cursed Mask not here, video game only character that should be mentioned briefly in the game article, not in this list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 15:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Sesshomaru's Mother

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Resolved

 – Per censensus, merged/redirected to Sesshomaru

• Support Not notable at all SuperSilver901 (talk) 17:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
• Delete with a brief mentioning in Sesshomaru. — Vano 00:37, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. Colincbn (talk) 17:01, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

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Merges, Round Two

Now that all of the merges from above are either done or closed (san Rin which will be done today), I figured it was time to go through the next round! So please weigh in on whether the following should be merged to this list or if you feel they are notable enough to have their own articles.

Kagura (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Merged per consensus on November 25, 2008

• Merge, while she plays a larger roll in the series than some of the others here, Kagura still has no established real world notability nor significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge all. Please. Plumpurple (talk) 20:05, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
• What third party coverage do any of the characters have, outside of their own media? She has enough valid information about her to be kept in a separate article. And she was certainly featured in enough manga issues to warrant being considered a major character, with quite a bit of development to her, and a significant part in the overall plotline. I vote KEEPDream Focus (talk) 15:17, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

That is why we are having merge discussions. If all there is to say about a character is the plot, they have no real world notability and should not have an article and should be merged to the appropriate lists. Their role in the series is irrelevant. If you look at any GA character articles, you will see that they do have third party coverage, not just plot. Some GA character articles include: Himura Kenshin, Sasuke Uchiha, Sagara Sanosuke, and Belldandy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:31, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I added a link to the official website for Inuyasha. http://www.viz.com/inuyasha/characters_naraku_group.php Do we need to add in citations to exactly what page and manga issue every single fact about her is from, as well as every single one she has ever appeared in? Do you need links to reviews mentioning her in Anime and/or Manga review sites wikipedia counts as valid for references? Does the official site selling it count as a reliable, third party sources, or is that considered first party? Would an official character book published about the series in Japan that mentions her, count? And if an article keeps too long, don't you usually stick information on another page? You only need to combine characters when there isn't much about them, but if they got enough information for their own article, then I say let them have it. I still vote Keep. Dream Focus (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Official websites and character books are not third-party. Thye can be used for references, but not to establish notability. Characters are combined when they have no notability, not because of a lack of information. If the information is that long, its likely because too much minor plot information is being included and needs to be cut down. Splitting is done only if its so long while containing valuable information, not every minor detail (and her's has lots of extraneous details). And, yes, every statement made must be properly referenced to the manga, anime, or another reliable source, as seen in those articles I mentioned earlier. If Kagura's article can not be brought to that standard, it should be merged. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

• Keep- Kagura has too much information contained in her page to be simply condensed like Kanna and other characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.14.230 (talk) 02:15, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Not at all. Most of it was just repetitive or excessive detail and OR about her attacks. Merged quite easily. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Merge Per AnmaFinotera's reasons. Plus shouldn't it be "Inu no Taishō"? わwaらraうu Smile! 03:08, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

That was changed to "The Great Dog Demon" in the list, which is what he is called in the manga and anime anyway. In his entry in the list, it uses Taishō for the Japanese part. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:37, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

What I meant was the one below this one says "Inu no Taishou". わwaらraうu Smile! 04:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

No need to change it now, it was just using what the article was using. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

• Keep The character is featured in manga, anime, movies, and I believe in the video games as well. I believe being featured in many different places, makes you notable enough for your own article under the rules. Dream Focus (talk) 13:44, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually no, it doesn't, when its all the same series, and not by itself. There must be significant coverage in reliable, third party sources, and really if we can't make a good conception/creation section and a good reception section (both well sourced), there is no need to have her separate at all. If a character article will never be more than a plot summary, it should be merged to a list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

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Inu no Taishou

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Resolved

 – Merged to List of InuYasha characters

• Merge, no real world notability and doesn't even have a real name. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. Though, what is he called by in the English dub/VIZ manga? We should go by the manga, I believe, unless it's an anime-only character, but of course this character isn't. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Good question. I haven't seen the films, but in the anime he was either referred to as "X's father" or the Great Dog Demon. Not sure what he was called in the manga. Can check some volumes at the library if no one else can answer it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I only have a few volumes, and I believe all of them are past volume 10. He was usually mentioned in the earlier volumes, when InuYasha had just recently awoken, so I'm not sure if he's there, but I'll check through them to make sure. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:06, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Update: I check through them, but he didn't come up. It'd be great if you could get them from the library, though! Another thing I noticed is names that use ō and such. In the volumes I own, Totosai is spelled Tōtō-sai and I believe Tōtōsai in some parts...The manga translation was never incredibly good (there are mistakes throughout the series, and I don't get how the editor missed them), not to mention in one volume there is an empty speech bubble. So, there seems to be some consistency problems...Once all the merges are done, it might be a good idea to make a find someone who owns all of the volumes on the Anime/Manga Wikiproject discussion page. The most current is probably the most accurate, WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Izayoi

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Resolved

 – Merged per consensus on November 25, 2008

• Merge, rarely even mentioned in the series and fails WP:N and WP:PLOT. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, her actual name is not even mentioned in the anime. « ₣M₣ » 14:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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Ryūkotsusei

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Resolved

 – Merged to List of InuYasha characters

• Merge, again, no real world notability and relatively minor role in the series. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. « ₣M₣ » 14:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

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Menomaru

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Resolved

 – Redirected to InuYasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time; plot elements and voice credits already in film article, so not thing really to merge.

• Merge to InuYasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time, no real world notability and only appears in this single film. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Hyoga

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Resolved

 – Redirected to InuYasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time; plot elements and voice credits already in film article, so not thing really to merge.

• Delete/Redirect to InuYasha the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time, no real world notability and only appears in this single film and even then seems to have been a minor character. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge with the Movie: Affections Touching Across Time, since he isn't mentioned anywhere except from there. Dream Focus (talk) 07:32, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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Hosenki (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Merged per consensus on November 13, 2008

• Merge, fails WP:N, WP:PLOT, and WP:WAF; no real world notability. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Four War Gods

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Resolved

 – Redirected to InuYasha the Movie: Fire on the Mystic Island; plot summary already appears to have been merged

• Merge to InuYasha the Movie: Fire on the Mystic Island. One time film characters with no real world notability. Article just a film plot regurgitation. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge to InuYasha the Movie: Fire on the Mystic Island, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Jinenji

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Resolved

 – Merged per consensus on November 13, 2008

• Merge, he's a nice demon and all, but only appears in a few episodes and has no real world notability. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Shako (InuYasha)

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Resolved

 – Deleted through redirect to Sango's article.

• Delete/Redirect, extremely minor character with no real notability. Mention in Sango and Midoriko's sections are more than sufficient. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
• Delete, per above.Tintor2 (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Merge, per above. --Eruhildo (talk) 16:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

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Ah-uh a family member or a pet?

I'm curious about the sentence "thus indicating that she considers Ah-Un to be a part of the family on the same level as herself and Jaken." She doesn't talk to it that often. Wouldn't she just consider it a pet, like a little girl talking to a horse, dog, or cat? I didn't read the manga chapters that were covered by the anime, so I'm not sure if there was some additional character development there I didn't see. Dream Focus (talk) 08:29, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I wanted to remove that bit, and I'll do so now. You are correct; she doesn't do much to indicate whether Ah-Un is more of a pet or a member. We don't even know how she considers herself in relation to Jaken--she could consider herself more of a family member or less. I'm guessing if she had a pet dog, she would have probably still said something along those lines. And, of course, there is always the problem of translation. InuYasha's was never that good. Good catch! WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I doubt Rin considers Ah-Uh to be a dog. She talks to him the same as she does Jaken (just lest often). Much like Sango and Kirara, as Ah-Uh is a demon and seems to be depicted as being capable of making his own decisions. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:11, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's not necessarily that she thinks of him as a dog, but the sentence itself is original research. As much as he seems to be intelligent, many children talk to pets as if they were a human. However, we don't have sources that say anything regarding her feelings on Ah-Un, and at most we know she considers him part of their family, just not on what level. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Akago is called "the infant" in the official English translation of the Inuyasha manga

I notice someone had changed Akago's name to "the infant", and Googled around to see what it mean. The website http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Akago explains it quite well. Akago is called "the infant" in the official English translation of the Inuyasha manga, so I agree with the editor's change. Dream Focus (talk) 09:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yep. We're trying to get the InuYasha articles in compliance with the MoS by fixing them up so they use the official English names instead of continuing to use a mix of English and the often fan preferred romaji names. So will probably see more such changes over the coming days. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 09:45, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Why did Inuyasha loose interest in the jewel?

"InuYasha initially desires the Shikon Jewel so he may become a full demon, though he changes his mind after discovering the evils of the jewel."

Was that the reason why? Or he just realized he couldn't control himself as a full demon? In the manga didn't he state in a flashback in one of the later chapters, that he was originally going to turn himself into a pure human with it, and live with Kikyo? Dream Focus (talk) 17:05, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

In the manga, I do believe he mentioned he initially was going to become a human, not a demon. For the overall reason on loosing his interest, I think it was a combination of having found people who love and accept him as he is, fear of hurting them if became a full demon after he killed so many people when his demon blood took over, and coming to accept himself as himself (part of the overall theme of the series, I think, is InuYasha becoming okay with being a half-demon). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Jakotsu edits

Any who watched the Anime should remember Jakotsu being homosexual, and going on about his attraction towards Inuyasha, and how much he wanted him. I don't see any other character having references for their information, so it's not fair to erase something from this one, and ask for a source, without doing it for all of them. If you haven't watched/read enough of the series to know much about it, you really shouldn't be editing content on that page. Dream Focus (talk) 08:21, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Just because the entire article needs referencing doesn't mean we keep adding unreferenced very strong claims like that. From your own edit summary, he does NOT clearly identify himself as being homosexual, rather he acts as if he is. He could be bi, how do you know? And I'm curious, but does he do that in the manga (or is he even in the manga?). And sorry, but that last part is complete and total BS. You do not need to have seen the entire series to edit the page, nor even seen any at all. That said, I could have sworn I had seen the BoS eps, though, and I do not remember anyone acting homosexual, but it was awhile ago. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 08:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

If you look at the Chapter summaries it refers to him as a homosexual sadist. Check the issues he is in, or check out the episodes for the anime even. Perhaps you have some censored version. If you saw it on the Cartoon Network it was probably edited out or toned down a lot. I know they used to edit out all the blood and other things. In the original version I saw, it was quite obvious, he blurting out how much he wanted him on several occasions. Dream Focus (talk) 15:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Well I rewrote the section so its less declaratory. Unless he specificially says "I'm homosexual", claiming he is WP:OR. He could be bi since we don't know his history :-P For future reference, though, other Wikipedia articles are not really a valid source, certainly not chapter summaries that may or may not be accurate/reviewed in a non-FL list. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Inuyasha manga 237 page 04, Jakotsu says upon meeting them for the first time, "Not only is Inuyasha Cute, but that Houshi is sexy. I'd love to see his agonized face."

Jakotsu page 5: "Your angry face is even better."

Inuyasha page 6: "Shut up you perverted bastard!"

Manga issue 240, page 15 he mentions how hansom Inuyasha's brother is, and then on page 16 says "in the end I prefer types like inuyasha who are a bit naive"

"Who asked you about your taste in men," says the ally he was speaking to.

You'd have to see the face he makes. In the uncensored Anime, it was far more obvious. Unless anyone who has seen the uncensored anime episodes, or read through all the manga recent enough to remember, says otherwise, then we'll say he is homosexual. I agree with the other editor who put that bit in there. Dream Focus (talk) 22:43, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't anything that implies he is a sexual sadist, and that definately needs a source. Claiming his homosexual, fine, I disagree as I think its too exact, but someone seriously has to call him very specifically a sexual sadist IN the official English manga or the official English sub or dub, not a fansub, or it stays out. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 11:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Izayoi/Igeyoi in the third movie

The section on Inuyasha's mother reports Izayoi as her name.

1. While Izayoi is accurate based on the English dub dialog of the third movie, her grave marker in the same movie shows her name as Igeyoi. Suggest adding content as follows:

(However, near the beginning of the film, Myoga takes Miroku and Sango to visit her grave, which is marked
Igeyoi (いげよい).)

2. The Kanji listed for her name in the current text, Izayoi (十六夜), is never shown in the English dub, including the English credits. Unless it's listed in the Japanese credits, it's probably not verifiable except as a Japanese dictionary look-up, (十六夜 【いざよい】 (n) sixteen-day-old moon), to prove at least that it's a well-known word. Can anyone verify it from the Japanese credits?

Unready (talk) 07:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Izayoi is her official English name in the film, so its what we use here. For the kanji, I agree, a source would be good, since of course it doesn't come in the English credits. Anyone checked the movie website? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:04, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Izayoi is her official name in the Japanese version, too. Her grave marker is the same in both versions, though, along with the hiragana on it. (I still think it's a curious deviation. Did she have a different name during the animation phase? Did the animators not know how to spell? Is it pronounced differently in whatever dialect the animator speaks? That last one might be testable by someone with more expertise than I have. Oh, well.) Checking a web site is a good idea. Unfortunately, as far as Sunrise is concerned, "Fire on the Mystic Island" seems to be the only movie that concerns them presently. I found a copy of the movie with the original Japanese credits and can verify that the kanji is indeed 十六夜 there. Otherwise my hardly exhaustive search efforts uncovered only fan sites with the kanji. HTH -- Unready (talk) 06:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Could be a typo on the gravestone. Wouldn't be the first snafu in a film :) Per all guidelines I know, the one used in the credits is what we should use, rather than what's shown on the grave.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

It's probably either: an archaic reading of 十六夜, a dialectal reading of 十六夜, a typo of 十六夜, or a forced furigana reading from the anime only. Moocows rule 06:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Checked the website. No info found. I couldn't understand it, it used WAY too much Kanji. It almost seemed like Man'yogana... Moocows rule 06:41, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Sango (InuYasha), Miroku (InuYasha), and Shippo merges

I propose that they are merged into the main character list. As it stands, the articles are basically made of relationships, attacks, and plot overviews that can easily be condensed. Honestly, there isn't much out there for them anyway. They were side characters who were fine for comic relief or important plot points, but weren't praised critically. Opinions? WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Support all. No significant coverage in reliable references for any of them. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Support. But I guess Sesshomaru, Kykyo, and Naraku would also need merge.Tintor2 (talk) 16:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Kikyo has a possiblity of having some reception notes, and I'm sure Sesshomaru does too. The problem is finding them and cleaning up the articles. Naraku should be merged, though. I'll add a tag to that article once these merges are decided on/done. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 17:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Kikyo was discussed in the first round, and seemed borderline, so her article got a reprieve. I think Sesshomaru could likely have a good article. Naraku, maybe borderline...need to check on that. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. I know I might get my head bitten off about this (since that usually happens when I express an opinion on a talk page on Wikipedia), but Sango, Miroku, and Shippo are major characters and even appear more than Sesshomaru, who I have noticed has not had his article suggested to be merged into the List of InuYasha Characters. You might as well merge all the characters into the article, since they all basically have the same things you have described, WhiteArcticWolf. Also, Naraku has a fairly long article. I think that you might as well merge all the characters, since to you, only a few stand out as important enough to have their own article (InuYasha, Kagome, Kikyo, and Sesshomaru), but all the main characters that appear on a regular basis should have main articles, since like you said, they have their own backgrounds, and just because you don't think they were "praised critically" does not mean that they should not have their own articles. 142.162.93.163 (talk) 12:16, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Their status as "major" characters within the series is irrelevant for the purposes of determining if they should have articles on Wikipedia. They must have real world notability, meaning actual significant coverage in reliable, third party sources. Few fictional characters have this. InuYasha has such coverage. Kikyo appears to as she as noted in various books as one ideal example of a miko within anime and manga. Kagome and Sesshomaru are likely to have sources, but will be merged if none are find. The rest do not. If you can point to reliable sources critically discussing the characters, by all means, please share. However, articles on fictional characters that are nothing but plot summary with fan theories, and no real world content are destined to be merged. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:01, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

It seems to me that you might as well just merge all the characters. If you think Kagome does not have any "sources", or anyone else, you might as well just merge everyone. Kagome is one of the main characters, and to me, if you think she should be merged, you might as well merge all the characters, since I gave a valid reason: She is a main character, more main then Sango, Miroku, and Shippo, for sure. Kagome 77 (talk) 13:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Kagome can be merged if no reliable sources come up for her; it's just that no one has really begun improving the article. Notability on Wikipedia isn't determined by being a main character or importance in a series (imagine if all main characters in every series had an article), it's by third-party sources and the amount of reception it recieved. Creation notes help as well. Character lists work out very well because if a character doesn't have enough real-world information, it can be combined with many to get a good character list. Sesshomaru and InuYasha can be considered iconic in some sense and they appear in many articles. Naraku? Not really iconic, and most reviews make no mention of him, other than calling him some annoying guy with some plan who won't die. Kagome? Being the main character, reviewers probably do mention her quite a bit. But whether or not it's for a plot summary or actually speaking of her character, it varies. If you want the article to stay, then by all means locate information. Reviews of the entire series and manga volumes often contain notes on the reviewer's feeling towards each characters. However, I have no plans to suggest merging her anytime soon. I plan to try and improve it at some point pretty soon. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:26, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

What to do about translations?

I provided translations a few months back, but it was deleted as being trivial and OR. Now, the translation of "骨" is given as "bone" (which is incorrect in this context; "骨" better translates as skill). Should we provide translations of the names or not? Svyatoslav (talk) 07:19, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

No. It is trivial as they have little to no consequence with the story and can be fairly subjective. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 07:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

List Organization

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Resolved

 – implemented April 25, 2009

Now that all the merging is done and the list relatively stable, I think its time to address the next major problem: In-Universe organization and the inclusion of too many minor characters. Following the examples of FL character lists, I propose the list be organized into the proper, standard sections: Protagonists, Antagonists, Supporting characters, and Minor characters. Thoughts on this? Initial suggested groupings below. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:13, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Suggested sets

Protagonists

• Kagome
• InuYasha
• Miroku
• Sango

Antagonists

• Sesshomaru
• Naraku
• Kagura
• Kanna
• Muso
• The Infant
• Hakudoshi
• Byakuya
• Band of Seven (and all subs)

Supporting

• Shippo
• Kirara
• Kohaku
• Jaken
• Rin
• Kaede
• Totosai
• Kikyo
• Koga

Minor

• Myoga
• Ah-Un
• Moryomaru
• Hachiemon
• The Great Dog Demon
• InuYasha's mother
• Hosenki
• Jinenji

Remove/move all together

• Ginta - too minor and undeveloped to be relevant; mention briefly in Koga's section
• Hakkaku - too minor and undeveloped to be relevant; mention briefly in Koga's section
• Ayame - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Princess Abi - ditto
• Ryukotsusei - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries and relevant mention in Great Dog Demon's section
• Hakushin - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Magatsuhi - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Midoriko - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Mushin - too minor, just note in Miroku's section
• Tsubaki - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Goshinki - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Kageromaru - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries
• Juromaru - appearance far to brief to justify mention beyond in ep/vol summaries

Discussion

It looks very good. Considering Miroku, Sango, Shippo (and possible kirara) appear in most episodes and have several episodes for themselves they could be moved to protagonists.Tintor2 (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I could see moving Miroku and Sango, however just appearing in each episode doesn't make Shippo and Kirara protagonists. It also depends on their role in the story, which particularly for Kirara is pretty much just supporting the others. Shippo is, primarily, comic relief, I think...he doesn't have must growth nor any major motivations for being involved nor for having conflicts with Naraku, et al.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Indeed.Tintor2 (talk) 14:40, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I don't see how anyone would bee against this and feel that the sooner implemented the better. AndrewTJ31 (talk) 15:31, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

In accordance with the organization of the Viz "Profiles" book, I've bumped up the sections for Kirara and Hachi to direct proximity with their respective masters-- "Profiles" actually attaches them as adjuncts to the main entries for Sango and Miroku (similarly, it attaches Myoga as an adjunct to InuYasha's main entry). This kinda suggests their conversion to subsections, unless that directly violates the standard layout conventions; otherwise, their placement as full-fledged sections does rather break up the main protags, and these supporting characters should perhaps be moved as a group to the end of the protag list. Speaking of which, should "Profiles" be taken as a template for the characters' list/group order? It has IY's group (oddly including Kohaku, perhaps as another adjunct to Sango), an indeterminate group of uncertain allies (Kikyo, Koga, and Sesshomaru's group), and Naraku's group (including the entire Band of Seven). --Wombat1138 (talk) 07:36, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

It seems good; the only things I could really suggest would be moving Shippo back up to main characters. He is pretty much there for comic relief, but is the first addition to InuYasha's group and does have several chapters centered around him. And, in the end, he does help with the defeat of Naraku (mostly because he doesn't have anywhere else to go, and he sees the rest of the group as his friends). You might as well remove Princess Abi, though. From the looks of it, she was an anime-only character that only served as filler. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 10:05, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Being the first addition does not make him a "hero" nor really add any significance. He could, frankly, be removed from the series, with little affect. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

That is not appropriate, IMHO, and I've reverted that. Characters should be grouped and ordered on their own merits, not via an in-universe profile book. And no, the Profiles should NOT be used for ordering or grouping this list. The list should be ordered in an out-of-universe manner only, and listed in a generally neutral fashion: order of appearance, alphabetical, etc. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:12, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Okeydoke; I'm mostly trying to aim at text compression anyway, but will probably back off for now until someone else sweeps out the small fry. I'm not familiar with enough of the series to evaluate most of Naraku's babies, but it sounds like most of them should be deleted or chucked down to a minor section-- of the ones I have seen, Kagura is the only one with a significant recurring role; Kanna doesn't show much independent volition and the others are quickly wiped out. Similarly, I haven't seen any of the Band of Seven in action; do its members really rate individual entries? --Wombat1138 (talk) 15:15, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The text compression is much appreciated, BTW! Its been in bad need of it :P I also would agree on most of Naraku's "babies." I gave up on watching the series, but other than the three (Kagura, Kanna, and The Baby), they all seemed to only be seen for a few chapters/episodes before axing. In which case maybe brief mention in Naraku's section and leave the rest to he chapter/ep lists. I was also wondering the same about the Band of Seven, that maybe just an overall summary of the group rather than needing individual entries, but I'd stopped watching before they appeared (I think) and don't know if they are more significant in the manga. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

(Semi-retroactively) proposed deletions:

• Minor wolf-demons: Ginta, Hakkaku, and esp. Ayame, whose appearance is afaik limited to a single episode of the anime. (Likewise Princess Abi, if she is another anime-only filler character.)
• Ah-Un and Hachiemon: taxi service without much personality-- for that matter, so is Kirara, although her sheer ubiquity brings her into approximate parity with Shippo as a tagalong. (Question-- what's the distinction being made between the "supporting" vs. "minor" lists? Occasional continuing role vs. background history?)
• Kageromaru and Juromaru; Tsubaki: limited to a single (albeit lengthy) battle encounter w/o specific consequences.
• Goshinki: another single-battle opponent; did play a more significant plot role in terms of breaking Tetsusaiga and providing raw material for Tokijin, but this info can just be folded into references within IY's and Sesshomaru's respective entries (probably ditto Totosai's swordsmithing). Muso's creation/reabsorption does mark a shift in Naraku's tactics, so I'd reluctantly let him stay.
• Rearrangements: Kohaku needs to be popped out from the middle of the list of Naraku's subcreations, both logistically and chronologically-- he's introduced before any of them are created, and the present order would suggest to a cursory reader that he's one of them. Kikyo is the second character to be introduced in the series and a major ongoing source of conflict and plot mechanics thereafter; as such, she may rate promotion to "major antagonist" if that re-org goes through, or at least to the top of the present "supporting" section. --Wombat1138 (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Supporting, has an active part in the story, but neither antagonist nor protagonist, while minor is mostly on-ep characters or background ones that might have minor roles in the story. Usually the first to get cut if the list is too long. Incorporated some suggested deletions above For ordering on Kohaku, see above. Will let others weigh in on Ah-Un and Hachiemon, though can certainly see the point. Both could be covered in their respective master(s) sections, if needed. but He's already being moved to supporting rather than antagonist, so that issue is solved if the reorg gains consensus. I don't know that Kikyo is an antagonist, per se, as she does support InuYasha and the other's in their overall goal (kill Naraku), but she is an antagonist to Kagome, at least initially, so could see that as well. Others thoughts? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:23, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay-- in that case, Jaken strikes me as approximately equivalent in function to Shippo as ubiquitous but only semi-helpful support staff; Rin doesn't do much on her own but does significantly affect Sesshomaru's behavior. Kikyo, Sesshomaru, and Koga all start out as enemies to IY (what with Kikyo wanting to drag him to hell) and reluctantly become allies, but they still maintain their own different reasons for opposing Naraku and remain independent from the others; to a lesser extent, the same is true of Kohaku and Kagura, though both of them are at least nominally Naraku's minions for most of the time. --Wombat1138 (talk) 21:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, so Kikyo and Koga should both move to the antagonists? I can understand your reasoning, so I wouldn't object. Does Koga, though, play enough of a role, particularly in the manga, to be more than just supporting? Other than the big loss of most of his "pack" near the beginning, he seemed almost more like "excuse to make InuYasha jealous without InuYasha realizing he is jealous" :P -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:22, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Eh, I'd definitely rate Koga as less powerful/effective than Kikyo or Sesshomaru; it's just that they all fall into the same general class of free agents. He did send his wolves to eat Rin and the rest of her village, but his real degree of threat to IY's group disappears as soon as he latches onto Kagome although he never really joins them. But either way, imho they're in an entirely separate category from Naraku and his minions. (I'm semi-inclined to break up the ongoing support staff by alignment-- major active protagonists, followed by plotworthy minor/support protags (e.g., Shippo, Kaede, and Kirara); Naraku and his plotworthy minions (Kagura and Kohaku etc.?); the major free agents and, well, Rin and Jaken :b -- though I don't know whether that violates standard practice.) --Wombat1138 (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Major purge

I've just whacked a bunch of minor characters to the extent of my knowledge of the series, which runs out around the time of Muso's introduction; some of the later characters are listed in "Profiles", but I can't gauge their overall importance from those entries. Also, is the exhaustively linked Merchandising section really necessary? --Wombat1138 (talk) 04:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is part of a higher quality featured list, at least going by the List of Naruto characters one. While for the most part I agree with your removals, it would be better if you would first join the discussion above and voice your views there, to record consensus... -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops. See above. --Wombat1138 (talk) 20:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

...so should I revert back to the deletions/edits from 04:33 30 March 2009 yet, or do we need more users to join the above discussion first? Starting to consider catching up on recent manga volumes in hopes of justifying further editorial bloodthirstiness (deleting the individual entries for the "Band of Seven" and Naraku's later creations etc.) :D --Wombat1138 (talk) 19:33, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I think I reverted those already? :P -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:06, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if I was unclear-- yes, you reverted that edit back to the previous page version; I was asking whether I should revert the current page *to* that edit and thus redelete various minor characters --Wombat1138 (talk) 02:13, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

No, not yet. In issues like this, about two weeks is a good time. Then the deletions and rearranging need to be done separately and clearly, without other general edits, to keep a clear line. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:19, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Next Steps

Now that the organization discussed above is implemented, some other work needed in the list:

• REFERENCES! - self-explanatory
• Needs a proper lead section, see List of Naruto characters for a FL-level example
• Expand creation/conception and reception sections
• Go through each character section and reduce excessive plot regurgitation, focus on major points and any out-of-universe info

Anything else? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

At the moment, the ordering within the "Antagonists" section seems somewhat random, in that it's neither by chronological introduction nor (imho) overall threat level, if series-internal criteria are being considered, or even by alphabetical order; which of those criteria are generally prioritized, if any? (I'm also doubtful that even the reduced list of Naraku's "detachments" all count as main antags-- iirc Kagura is the only one who becomes a fully realized character-- but as previously mentioned, I gave up on the series in the manga volumes' mid-20s and am not familiar with the later events and characters.) WRT references, the "Profiles" books covers up through manga volume #29 so most major info should be covered in that; are specific page #s necessary for cites? --Wombat1138 (talk) 20:26, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

For the most part, I left them all in the same order as above, so that hasn't been dealt with yet. Usually it goes with mains (i.e. main protagonists and main antagonists first, in their sections), then all the rest either by order of appearance (preferred) or alphabetically. Do you know what that order was in the manga? Kikyo or Sesshomaru would be first and second, then Naraku, Kagura, and Koga, but I don't remember the exact order. Threat level would be too subjective. The manga itself should be probably be used first (or the anime, where relevant). The profiles books should only be needed for supplemental info. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:32, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

"Profiles" has a semi-convenient index that cites first appearances and makes the basic info easier to look up, though presumably the actual refcites should be to the original manga volumes themselves? (To be really nitpicky, I suppose the refcites should be to the original individually-published manga chapters, but bah.) There're some ambiguous judgement calls wrt Kikyo (first appears at all in vol. 1, not raised from the dead as an antagonist until vol. 5) and Naraku (first mentioned by name in vol. 6 as part of Miroku's backstory, doesn't appear in person until vol. 9 or so), but Sesshomaru first appears in vol. 2, Koga in vol. 14, and Kagura in vol. 15. --Wombat1138 (talk) 22:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Citing to the English release is fine, since that's actually what editors are likely reading. :) Usually the chapters within the volumes is acceptable over specific page numbers, to keep the number of refs somewhat manageable. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:12, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah, forgot again-- can Naraku's "detachments" be subgrouped under him like the individual "Band of Seven" members? --Wombat1138 (talk) 01:05, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Kanna came before Kagura? Weird...and no, I don't think they need to be subgrouped since not all were true antagonists, were they? (or am I misremembering)? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

I was mostly thinking in terms of Kanna and Kagura etc. being constituents of Naraku in a similar way to the individual Band of Seven members being constituents of the band, but it's a nitpicky technicality-- but gosh, I just rechecked the "Profiles" index and Kagura really was introduced earlier than Kanna despite the latter having been created first, so I guess the previous order for them was correct after all. The check also reveals a problem with many of the existing cites which combine the original chapter numbers from the overall series with the ISBNs from the Viz English translations, in which the chapters are renumbered; hence, while Kagura is introduced in chapter 142 of the overall series, the true Viz equivalent is volume 15, "Scroll Four: Corpse Dance". Will re-flip Kanna/Kagura and start relabelling the chapters in the Viz cites. --Wombat1138 (talk) 20:14, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Have re-sorted Supporting/Minor lists by order of appearance based on Profiles index; however, while Profiles' pagination refs are self-consistent, I'm not confident that they always accurately reflect the Viz volumes. Should I try to find the correct Viz chapter names/numbers for that info, or does each character really need a formal first-appearance reference? --Wombat1138 (talk) 01:07, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Rough order is fine. It is good to note when they were introduced, but not totally necessary. :) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:27, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

OK, stop.

¡Fuck who keeps undoing my edits! Give me a good reason why Shippo is a supporting character and why Myoga is a minor one, if not I'm gonna keep editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk • contribs) 14:25, April 26, 2009

There is a discussion above about this list's organization. If you disagree that Shippo is supporting and Myoga is minor, then start a discussion about it. Your edits were reverted as vandalism as you were simply removing content without any stated reason what-so-ever. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Odd how the list are now

That is odd how things are listed. Why have Inuyasha and three others in his group on their own, but Shippo and the Kirara, elsewhere? They are on the same team, always with them, and both of them do participate in battles as well. Not everyone in the first group of four is an antagonists of Kikyo, and Sesshomaru, these characters only bothering Inuyasha at times, and through most of the series, leaving him be, or actually aiding him in one form or another. So it makes no sense to list them as Protagonists and Antagonists. I remember how the list was done months ago, and wondering why it was changed. Jaken is listed as a supporting character, but Kanna is not. She almost never said anything, and only participated in one battle later on in the manga. Kohaku had more dialogue, episode/issue coverage, and battles, but is only a supporting character, while she is not. Also, listing anyone as a supporting character, without stating who they are supporting, is an odd way of doing it. Why not go back to the old way, Inuyasha's group listed, Sesshomaru's group, and then Naraku's group listed, followed by everyone else? Those who don't fit in the later two groups, can be listed as supporting characters, they supporting Inuyasha's group. Any enemy that doesn't fall into those characters, can be listed as "others". Dream Focus 01:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Because it that is an inappropriate, in-universe grouping. The group is organized in the appropriate manner for a character list, with protagonists, antagonists, supporting, and a few important minor characters. This organization was done by consensus, as I'm sure you see above, and based on what is considered best practices for character lists in the FLC process. If people wish to discuss the locations of specific characters, they are free to suggest that a character be moved, give reasons why, and allow it to be discussed, so long as they do so in a civil manner and without vandalizing the list as the IP above did. Antagonists do not have to "bother" InuYasha to be an antagonist (suggest reading antagonist) and both Kikyo and Sesshomaru being antagonists could easily (if necessary) be sourced as such. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

That is ridiculous! Someone decided a generic way of grouping things, not in a logical easy to find manner which makes sense, but instead in a way which someone not familiar with the series would easily be confused. Perhaps this method works best for some other types of media, but you can't expect it to be the best way for every possible list out there. And I agree we should discuss things. I just checked out this article, after having ignored it for a month or so, and noticed this, so I replied down here. Dream Focus 16:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Nothing ridiculous about it. It is a good, logical way of grouping this information for ALL readers, not just the handful of InuYasha fans who might come to this list and it works well for almost all fictional media. It was discussed, consensus was established. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

• Note, when you say it was done by consensus, you mean one other person agreed with you, and no one else around at the time to chime in. I think we should get more input on this. Dream Focus 16:13, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Or maybe I mean all four major editors to this article and the anime/manga project in general which was well aware of the discussion. Keep the bad faith stuff elsewhere. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:17, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

How many people participated in this discussion, and where can I find it at? I don't see a link on that page showing where all discussions and their outcomes were had at. Dream Focus 16:23, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Um, if you can not see the HUGE discussion above, I can't really help you there. If you mean the notification at the project, its in the archive now. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I thought you meant there was a discussion elsewhere. On the Anime Portal, you just made an announcement of the discussion here. Was there any participation from people not part of that Portal? You then spent 6 days discussing it, and then archived it, which in effect discourages others to state their opinions. Dream Focus 16:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Please use the correct terminology. A portal is not the same as a project in any way, shape, or form. This discussion, like most merge discussions, was announced on the project. I have no idea if any one in the discussion was or was not a member of the project. I don't think Wombat is, but I also don't ask because that isn't relevant for the purposes of the discussion. The discussion was open for one month, not six days, so there was no discouraging anyone to state their opinions. It was properly announced and interested people could read it (and the project talk archives every 10 days, allowing all interested readers to see it and come participate if they choose to do so). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, a.) no, I'm not a project member; and b.) I think I agree that Kanna doesn't count as a major antagonist... and neither do most of the other characters currently in that section. If we're talking about a complete series overview, then the only "real" antagonists may be Kikyo, Sesshomaru, and Naraku as persistent multi-arc masterminds (though that may be falling back into the trap of in-universe criteria). --Wombat1138 (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

This is actually how its being done in most well-ranked articles. Its just ridiculous to organize fictional subject from an in-universe perspective when the goal of all fictional articles is to cover the subject from a realworld perspective. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 18:51, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Chronology

Are there any exact references for pinning down the Sengoku-era events? The start of the manga (Viz vol. 1) specifically places the modern-day start of Kagome's involvement in 1997 (p13); Profiles p48 describes Kagome as "[a] girl who went back 500 years", which as an exact figure would pop her back out into 1497. However, Viz vol. 1 also has semi-conflicting info about how much time elapses between Kikyo's death and Kagome's reappearance: Kaede refers to Kikyo's death on p74 as "It's been fifty years" exactly, but on p32 as "over 50 years ago", which throws the exactness of such stats into some doubt. (In Profiles' mini-chapter on the Shikon Jewel, Takahashi just says that the jewel's "cycle is every five hundred years or so", after having been created in the Heian period ~500 years before Inuyasha and Kikyo.) IMHO it's safer to handwave some vagueness into the stats while keeping the language as unambiguous as possible, if that makes sense? --Wombat1138 (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

...still looking for an in-manga hard cite of "500 years"; before going back through the well, Kagome thinks to herself that the "god-tree" on the temple grounds is 500 years old, which would set its planting date at 1497. It's the same tree that IY was sealed onto, and therefore obviously existed in tree-sized form when he was sealed onto it; if "500 years" is taken literally, then Kikyo's death has to be pushed forward from 1497 by however many years it takes a tree to grow to that size. However, "Profiles" also uses the "500 years" figure to describe how far Kagome travelled back through time to ~50 years after Kikyo's death; if *that's* taken literally, then Kikyo's death gets pushed back to ~1447. QED, "500 years" has to be taken as a rough estimate rather than a precise timeline. -- Wombat1138 (talk) 02:25, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Good rewording. Hopefully that will fix the issue. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm still very upset over how this page has been edited.

No one has actually posted a good reason why Shippo is a supporting character and Myoga a minor one, they just did it without any major thought, the page was far better before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.12.156.120 (talk) 00:15, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree. But its not about how good something looks, how well written, or even how reasonable it is, but instead about mindlessly doing whatever a small number of people decided was best somewhere else. It isn't about making wikipedia articles interesting for the fans who actually want to read the stuff, but instead making it as short, bland, and useless as possible. Check out http://inuyasha.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page if you want to see all the now deleted wikipedia character pages, and other information about Inuyasha. It was far better before so much was destroyed. Dream Focus 00:42, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Reasons were given above as to why each was put in those sections. You were asked, repeatedly, to calmly and rationally explain your reasons for feeling Shippo is a major character and Myoga is significant enough to be a supporting character so it could be discussed. Instead, you made personal attacks and vandalized both the article and this talk page. As Dream Focus notes, in his own fashion, Wikipedia is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia. Character list articles are arranged in an out-of-universe method that is accessible to all readers, not just fans. And despite what he states, it is about how well-written content is, he just does not agree with Wikipedia's overall idea of what "well-written" means. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:04, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You have no reason why to put Myoga in the minor characters section, he has played important roles in the series, such as when he sucked out the poison of Inuyasha from that spider demon and of Kagome, Miroku and Sango from the band of seven, and also has bringed important information to Inuyasha and company whenever he appears.190.12.156.120 (talk) 15:46, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Having a bit of importance in one or two episodes does not make him a major character, and he doesn't really have a significant role within the overall series. However, in looking at the list again, I would say he is at least as important as Kirara, so for now I have moved him up to supporting. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:58, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I never said he was a main character, but a supporting one, yes he doesn't have such a big impact in the series but he still play his part, not a main one, a supporting one.190.12.156.120 (talk) 16:01, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

General semi-abstract question

In starting a preliminary text-compression run on the man "InuYasha" article, I've noticed that the entries in its "Characters" subsection have about the same level of length/detail as the corresponding ones here in the (theoretically) main "List of Characters" article; the main difference is simply that this article contains more minor characters, rather than more detail about the main characters. While I do not personally care about how much wikispace is given to each IY character, on abstract principle I feel compelled to ask a.) whether this is the desired standard for a general "List" article, and b.) what determines whether individual characters are broken out into their own articles (esp. considering that a number of the Anime/Manga WikiProject examples of "good articles" are detailed overviews of individual characters, in some cases from series with a substantially shorter run than IY). -- Wombat1138 (talk) 16:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The main article should have shorter summaries or, ideally, not need a standalone character section (see Tokyo Mew Mew and List of Tokyo Mew Mew characters) or have the character section as a short prose paragraph per WP:SUMMARY (Blood+ has this style, though its only B class). For what determines individual characters having their own articles, its simple: real-world notability. If good creation/conception and reception sections can not be written for a character, it should not have its own article. The length of the series is irrelevant for determining this. Its purely about the specific character's real-world notability. Now, granted, there are tons of bad character articles out there which don't follow this guideline, but that's how the project has been operating and the guidelines used when discussing merges and the like. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough-- I was mostly thinking of "length of series" as possible objective indication of "real-world notability" via "enough audience popularity to continue". So since the individual character sections in this "List" article are generally 1-2 paragraphs long, should the corresponding subsections in the main IY article be lopped down to 1-2 lines? (Though I may head over to the "Chapters" article first; those summaries are painfully bad.) -- Wombat1138 (talk) 18:41, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Yep, eventually, or converted to a more general prose (like what we'd have in the lead of this one, if its lead were good :P ) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:45, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Kagome's classmates

While they may not warrant individual sections for themselves, I'd like to propose a 'kagome's classmates' or 'student of X school' entry where we can mention Yuki, Eri and Ayumi, whose names are mentioned in the anime. Example. That one guy (Hojo) who they try setting her up with is also worth mentioning here especially with his ancestor's appearance in the past. They're a major part of whenever Kagome returns. Tyciol (talk) 03:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Strongly opposed. They were removed by consensus (see archive 1). What the Wikia does is irrelevant, and they are all extremely minor characters. They are not worth mentioning here at all. Remember, again, that this is not a fansite, it is an encyclopedia. Minor characters like that do not need any sort of undue coverage. Adding that sort of section would go against Wikipedia guidelines and only degrade the list quality. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Collectian. What those three girls in the series only trivial as far as I know.Tintor2 (talk) 20:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Someone just reduced the page to nothing

¿Who did this? each character segment has been reduced to nothing. (190.12.156.120 (talk) 14:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC))

Some immature editor throwing a temper tantrum. He's been reported for blocking for this disruptiveness. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:22, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Byakuya in InuYasha's new OVA

I seen it, and Byakuya is in it, Black Tetsusaiga, but I don't know who voices him. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 03:42, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

Okay...and? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 12:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

That we should mention his animated debut. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 13:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

Okay...-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

But I can't add anything when the page's been protected til' 2010 -- (190.12.153.187 (talk) 14:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

Nothing really to add without knowing the voice actor anyway. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Well I finded out, Mitsuaki Madono. -- (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC))

Just to confirm, Byakuya did not appear in the main series, right? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

As far as I remember, nobody named Byakuya appeared in the first anime, but I did not see the last episodes. I suppose he will appear in the second anime.Tintor2 (talk) 19:59, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Tetsusaiga, The True Name

The sword's name is in all actuality Tessaiga. A translation error confusing the the kana character っ for つ erroneously added the "tsu" into the name instead of the doubling of the consonant "s" which is what the lower case っ would have done. By the time the error was discovered, Viz decided it was too late to correct and decided to stick with Tetsusaiga. I found this on a site while searching for the translation of the name, and if you listen to Inuyasha say the name it is spot on. All credit for this find goes to the editors of the site: http://www.inuyashaplus.com/characters/tetsusaiga.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.212.78.167 (talk) 01:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Some guys personal fansite is not a reliable source, nor did they discover anything. Its been claimed for a long time. It does not matter in either case. First, the manga is the primary work, not the anime, and in either case, we will use Viz's spelling as it is the official English spelling. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:25, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I've also seen multiple claims that when Takahashi first started the manga, she herself used the てつさいが (Tetsusaiga) pronunciation furigana with the sword's name kanji 鉄砕牙, but changed the furigana to てっさいが (Tessaiga) in later chapters; in that case, Viz accurately conveyed Takahashi's original intention and chose to keep the name consistent for the rest of the series. Without actually seeing raw Japanese scans of the early chapters (optimally the weekly installments rather than the first tankoubon, in case the latter was retconned to Tessaiga), there's no way to be sure-- and it doesn't really matter anyway; as AnmaFinotera says, "Tetsusaiga" is the official spelling Viz uses in all official English-language media. (Personally, I'd argue that Viz's deletion of long-vowel markers is worse than Tetsusaiga vs. Tessaiga... and also that the results are still the official versions that should be used here.) -- Wombat1138 (talk) 18:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Profile images

I think there could be more additional photos of each individual characters, just to make this page more readable perhaps.

Such as, having a big gang photo of the Inuyasha-gang AND having some character mug shots of each named person.

88.105.19.169 (talk) 23:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

No. We do not include individual images of characters (nor are such images photo). It violates WP:NONFREE. All that is needed is one or two group shots showing the majority of the main characters. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

How does that go along with WP:NONFREE if there's already a group shot provided? I don't get it. Even if that's the case, and the group shot is provided, I don't see why some indiviual shots can't be included. As I recall earlier, there's a single screen shot of Miroku's profile before his character page been deleted. No mention of the violation of WP:NONFREE back then. 88.105.85.151 (talk) 18:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A group shot is a single, non-free images. Individual images are multiple, excessive numbers of non-free images and would violate Wikipedia's policy. The allowance of 1-2 group shots was really a concession made to allow at least some image in lists like this. A single identifying non-free image is allowed in the infoboxes of individual articles. That doesn't relate to this list. Read Non-free's section on images in lists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:42, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

There's a picture of Koga's group, but not of Naraku's. It only has three characters in it. I think Naraku's group should have a picture in the article, as they are more important, and as it is it does not show the majority of the main characters. If it can only have two pictures, shouldnt one with 7-12 characters be chosen over one with only 3? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.173.22.159 (talk) 13:33, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The problem comes with finding pictures that represent so many characters. Koga's group photo has already been here for awhile, hence why it is still here. As far as I know, a picture of all of Naraku's group doesn't exist. His group is composed of several characters, and he usually isn't seen with more than 1 or 2 of them at a time. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 14:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Exactly...there doesn't even appear to be any good official promotional images with everyone, and fan made pictures are not usable.-- AnmaFinotera (talk ·contribs) 15:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The policy is not a dogma. It has been created for one and the only purpose: to make it very unlikely that anyone can sue Wikimedia for violating the 'fair use principle'. I feel that in this particular case, since the image would be 'critical commentary' (shows a most important group of characters) and no appropriate genuine image exists, we can use a fan-made collage. This fair use rationale is strong enough to make accusations practically impossible to succeed. — Vano 00:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but that is not going to happen. No, we can not use a fan-made collage. IAR does not mean - ignore policy just because you don't like it and can't work with it. It has nothing to do with suing, but with the mandates of the Wikimedia Foundation, which owns this site, and their rules. The image is not critical commentary, and the proposed FUR is not "strong" its easily arguable against. You don't know that an image doesn't exist, only that no one here has pointed to one. Considering a second "season" of the series just started, you can't even make that argument either as new promotional images will be coming. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:31, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... did you read WP:NONFREE? The very beginning says: "This page documents an English Wikipedia content guideline". The link for "guideline" in Category:Wikipedia content guidelines (to which that phrase links) says: "Wikipedia policies and guidelines are developed by the community to describe best practice, clarify principles, resolve conflicts...". There's nothing here that is 'mandated' by the Foundation.

As for your first accusal (btw, it's a bit offensive. What made you think that I 'don't like' the rule and am willing to break it just because of that?). I try to ignore it for one and the only purpose: because it prevents me from improving the article and because i have a well grounded reason for doing that. I realize that it is a risk and, basing on rational considerations, conclude this risk to be negligible.

However, if none of my words convince you, let's ask what other people think. Maybe other participants will be more of an authority for you than I am. — Vano 01:05, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Your statement that a suitable image can exist or be released in the future is at least as arguable as mine: if someone finds a suitable image or one will be released in the future, we will just replace the current one. This is absolutely no problem. — Vano 01:16, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Did you read Wikipedia:NONFREE#Policy which is policy, not a guideline, which includes the mandate. Invoking IAR in an argument in a non-free argument is almost always an issue of "well it won't let me do what I want so ignore it" rather than a valid reason to do so. There is none given here. Beyond the issue of WP:NONFREE itself, a fan-made image could be seen as a violation of WP:COPYVIO and most fan-made images have WP:OR issues as well. No fan-made images will be added. If an appropriate legally made, official image is uploaded, it can be used. Meanwhile, the actual appropriate solution is for people to stop feeling an image must have every character, and accept that we may have to settle for what we have now, an image of the main protagonists and an image with some of the central antagonists. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:29, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Starting with the shortest part: A fan-made work isn't copyvio if it's fair use, and a collage that doesn't alter appearances is unlikely to qualify as a OR. So this part seems not much of an issue.

Now to the legal stuff.

Licensing policy allows projects to create EDPs and imposes some limitations on them (accordance with US law and (sometimes) local law; historical events, logos, articles on copyrighted works (within narrow limits); rationale). However, specific terms in EDPs within those limitations are subject to community consensus as usual. The current consensus for everything is WP:NFCC and additional consensus for lists is using images 'judiciously to present the key visual aspects of the topic'. The 'consideration' items there are not restrictions on quantity, the restriction is NFCC i.3 (use the minimal amount that fits the purpose).

So, self-made collages are not strictly prohibited, they are just very unlikely to be 'the minimum amount necessary'. Such reading of the rules fits my needs so I have no need to override them.

Presently we don't have any picture of Naraku&Co. at all. So the question is whether the whole bunch of Naraku's subordinates is a 'key visual aspect' or just a few ones will do or the article will lose little to nothing from omitting the bad guys' mugs altogether. The candidate image has also to pass NFCC. Both collage and a genuine depiction of a few pass it except for i.8 which has the same considerations as the last sentence.— Vano 06:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Case closed. — Vano 09:23, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Whether you want to try to argue otherwise, it IS against Wikipedia policy and any such image, if added, will be removed and deleted post haste per policy. It is also against the law, whether fans are generally allowed to get away with it because it promotes the work. It is not fair use, it is copyvio, and it is OR as it presents the characters in a depicted state not intended by the creators (for example, fan images of Kagome x Sesshomaru - clearly OR and a false representation). There is no deadline and you can not argue that there will never be an image of the group that is a proper, official image. It seems pretty likely considered the opening of Final Act comes close to it. If no such image is ever released, then clearly the official copyright holders did not WANT to depict those characters together, and it is not the place of Wikipedia to decide they should be smushed together anyway because some fans mistakenly believe the article needs decoration. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 13:47, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Jakotsu is androgynous as well as gay

I'm thinking that Jakotsu of the Band of Seven should be mentioned as androgynous. After all he does appear to have a feminine side and it was a clever compromise by Takahashi in that she originally thought of having him as a woman but decided not to because she "didn't feel comfortable having InuYasha fight and defeat a girl." Also there is the fact that he is voiced by actresses in both the Japanese and English versions.--Marktreut (talk) 23:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Find a reliable source. Otherwise, as usual, you are only presenting OR and personal opinion. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Two-thirds of this entire article appears to be OR and personal opinion given that there are little in the way of references at all. In itself the Band of Seven does not have a single source, so what's all this about Jakotsu "depicted acting in a homosexual manner"? Not something I disagree with but where's the proof? Still, my hopes of including this obvious and "plain for all to see" point weren't high, but as they say: "nothing ventured, nothing gained". Have you ever thought of branching out, AnmaFinotera? You've managed to bring most of the anime/cartoon articles to an standstill, but how about other subjects?--Marktreut (talk) 07:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Check the archives for the discussion re Jokatsu. Most of this article is pure plot summary and sourcable to the manga, even if the inline sources are missing. Lack of sources currently is not a valid reason to introduce pure OR and unsourcable theory that is meaningless here. If you want to discuss whether he is or is not androgynous, take it to an anime forum. Plenty out there. And I work in multiple areas, thanks, and that's the only personal attack I'll ignore. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 12:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

It's hardly OR when it is so obvious. "Sourcable to the manga, even if the inline sources are missing": well my The Fox and the Hound details were sourcable to the comics but that didn't stop you from blocking me. Since you've always removed my contributions on the grounds that they were unsourced or had no references (or even when they did) then I don't see why it should not apply to the article as a whole.--Marktreut (talk) 16:38, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Different issues and different situations. There were multiple reasons for your attempted "contributions" to The Fox and the Hound being rejected. I am not going to bother with these ridiculous arguments with you. You've made it clear that you only desire to add OR and your personal points of views to article rather than verifiable, reliably sourced, and relevant content per Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Your continued attempts to do so against consensus in other articles also shows your lack of willingness to entertain and accept that your actions are inappropriate. Suffice to say, OR will be removed as vandalism, and if you vandalize this list as you did before to be pointy, I suspect your next block will be for far longer. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:44, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Hardly "Different issues and different situations", we are once again facing a situation were you are just plainly rejecting the evidence which is plain for all to see. You always block my contributions on these types of pages: if it's not the reference, it's the relevance and when it's not the relevance, it's the reference and even then I have to make a federal case over its reliability. Apparently there are some new rules coming in concerning certain types of pages. If these are extended to all articles then Lord help us, it'll be the end of wikipedia.--Marktreut (talk) 20:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Sota Higurashi

There is a conversation about deleting a redirect for Sota Higurashi to this article. I checked out the conversation when this last came up. The consensus then was for a "brief mention in Kagome's section and perhaps InuYasha's section is all that is necessary" but neither seems to have happened or stuck. Can someone either make that change or chime in at the RfD? —mako๛ 05:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Will respond there. Per the clean up, even the brief mention is unnecessary as he is not significant for either character and it was overly plotty. Instead, mentions are limited only to the chapter and episode lists when he has a mentionable role in a specific volume or episode (respectively). -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Some characters deaths do not appear because of the anime ending before the manga

Seriously, we should change that, considering the final act is coming, it will show Kagura's death, Kanna's death etc. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 17:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC))

No, right now, we should not. How do you know what will and will be shown? Unless/until it airs, the death's have not been shown, and they were not shown in the original anime adaptation. If they are shown in The Final Act, then it can be noted or the statements removed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:18, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Well I just saw the first episode of The Final Act (and I couldn't understand a damn thing, hope they sub it soon) and in this very first one Hakudoshi gets sucked by Miroku's wind tunnel. Oh and Moryomaru now talks, and Byakuya shows up in both the opening and ending sequences. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 02:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC))

What does that have to do with this topic? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:49, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

That you can take off the statement of Hakudoshi never dying in the anime. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 02:52, 4 October 2009 (UTC))

Ah, done. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:14, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Hachi

Why is Hachi nowhere on the wiki? I had to go to the Inu wikia to find the name of that tanuki. 128.198.25.20 (talk) 01:25, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

He is a minor character and was removed per consensus. He is mentioned, as is appropriate, in the episode and chapter summaries. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 01:28, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Inuyasha and Kagome do get married

Kagome does not only stays in the Feudal Era with Inuyasha, they also married, Sota tells his friends that after her graduation her sister left to get married, and Kagome also calls Sesshomaru Onii-saan, wich means brother/brother in law, that's like, missing information here. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC))

That is synthesis. He says she left to get married, not that she has gotten married, and her calling Sesshomaru brother doesn't mean that the wedding has happened yet. The wedding/marriage is never shown nor is it clearly said that it happened, only that it was the intention. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:22, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Shippo and Kirara should be Protagonists

At the risk of having my head cut off and ripped to shreds again (see above) I want to re-open the Shippo and Kirara issue. The point is that InuYasha is more than just about a handful of protagonists, it is about a group that travels through the country confronting evil and Shippo and Kirara are part of that group. Most sites on the series appear to agree with this, including the Viz Media official InuYasha website which even mentions Shippo as "a valuable ally". This makes them more than comic-relief or supporting characters. After all there are times when the others show symptoms of the comical: Miroku's "will you bear my child" chat-up routine; Sango's displays of jealousy; InuYasha's bad temper and squabbling with Kagome which results in her giving him the "sit, boy" command that pounds him to the floor!--Marktreut (talk) 13:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Please show how they are actually protagonists per the meaning of the word. Kirara clearly is not a progratonist and other than throwing in her name, you haven't even shown how she is one. Kirara is clearly NOT a main character. The plot does not revolve around her nor does she have any major plot line with which anyone can "share the most empathy." Sorry, buy you will never convince me that she is anything more than a supporting character, at best, no matter how cute she is. And the others comical moments does not mean they are comic-relief. Comedy is often included in dramas to balance the content. Shippo, again, is not a major character in the story, and the plot does not revolve around him. He's there, he's a "major" supporting character, but he is not a protagonist in the actual meaning of the word. And Viz's website does not break down protagonists/antagonists, so it does not support your argument. I'd say it goes against it as it calls him an ally (i.e. supporting character), not a major character. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

At most, I can see Shippo being a protagonist, and even that is a bit of a stretch. Overall, I'd say the series focuses more on Sesshomaru than it does Shippo. Even if Sesshomaru is a major antagonist, it does not excuse the fact that a main character has less weight in regards to the story and focus; therefore, Shippo is most easily classified as supporting. Kirara is definitely not a protagonist. She is there to aid and accompany Sango, and that's mostly it. WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 16:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I've yet to see any review describe Shippo as more than a companion -- a major ally, sometimes, but never one of the leads. Kirara? Even less so. Not everyone in the protagonist's nakama is also a protagonist -- as Wikipedians are fond of saying, notability is not inherited. —Quasirandom (talk) 17:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

And I suppose that it would be too much to ask to group the characters together as per Viz's way! The Band of Seven is, so why not the others? I know that they do not have formal titles like "X-Men" or "Fantastic Four", but it does make sense to group the characters with those that they are most closely associated with: Sesshomaru, Rin and Jaken, for example; it's silly to have to go up and down the page in order to find out how they are connected with one another, besides anything it ruins the flow of reading.--Marktreut (talk) 17:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it would. This is an encyclopedia not a fan nor marketing site. The list is organized in an out-of-universe manner per consensus after extensive discussion and per the manner used in other featured level character lists. It is aimed for all readers, not just fans who already know all associations. The Band of Seven are all antagonists, so its somewhat relevant, though earlier idscussions also agreed that the whole section needs condensing and most of them should be removed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

"the whole section needs condensing and most of them should be removed": How about getting it over and done with by resorting to the time when I removed almost EVERYTHING! Seriously, though, I know a lot of comic series in which a protagonist's sidekick is mainly there for comic-relief but that does not stop him from being treated in reviews and analysis as being on equal terms with the main hero. I've just been reading through some of the original individual articles on the main characters (like Miroku] or Shippo) and saving them to my computer. It's sad to see so much work go to waste.--Marktreut (talk) 18:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you planning on vandalizing the list yet again? And no, everything shouldn't be removed, just trimmed. There is a critical difference. And Shippo is no the protagonist's sidekick nor is he treated in reviews and analysis on equal terms to any of the actual series protagonists. He is not the "Robin" of the series. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 18:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

"Are you planning on vandalizing the list yet again" — What's the method to show sarcasm in a written message? Also I've never seen much of a "critical difference" between what you perceive as "trimming" and the consistent withholding of information, not to mention denying others the right to make constructive contributions to an article. Alright, he might not be a sidekick but he is far too regular and persistent a feature to be reduced to a mere "supporting character" and placed at the bottom of the listings compared to the others.--Marktreut (talk) 19:26, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Shippo, like all of the others, is listed by order of appearance. All others listed before him appeared before him. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 19:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

An alphabetical listing would make more sense. It can be confusing looking for a character, especially if you are unsure of the spelling.--Marktreut (talk) 20:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

No, it would not (and, FYI, that would push him even lower). Order of appearance is a good, neutral manner of listing the characters. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 20:36, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking of an all-out alphabetical listing, regardless of protagonists, antagonists etc. That would be a good neutral manner. After all, there is Sesshomaru for example who, though he and InuYasha despite each other, does not exactly fight him every time they meet. For all his cold attitude he comes across more of an anti-hero rather than an all-out villain like Naraku or the Band of Seven, with whom he is listed.--Marktreut (talk) 00:36, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

That's not very useful to someone coming in cold, wanting to know the basics about the series. Someone like that, they want the main points -- protagonists and antagonists. —Quasirandom (talk) 03:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The sad thing is that the "main points" are being systematically taken out and it appears that some people think that this article still has too many anyway. Still, to get back to the main point of Shippo qualifying as protagonist. I mean, it's not as if he sits in the wings or at the side doing nothing and only appears on the scene when needed, like Kaede or Myoga. He travels with the others, he is part of the actual quest. In fact the same would apply to Koga and Kohaku: both play important roles in the series, as allies and enemies. What would be a way to describe an anti-hero, something between a protagonist and antagonist?--Marktreut (talk) 13:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Is the argument that "appearing in every episode does not make him a protagonist" really applicable here? Surely that sort of argument would apply to a character who appears regularly but whose role is minimal to the plot: a bit like "M" or "Q" who appear in almost every James Bond film but their roles (in most of the films) are limited to just a few minutes, such as assigning Bond his missions and gadgets. Shippou on the other hand does play an active part in the "missions" themselves. He may not be as powerful as Inuyasha or even Sango, but that is the point: he is still young, he is still learning. If he was a mere supporting character then he would be staying back at the village with Kaede rather than travel with the others.--79.68.251.122 (talk) 20:00, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it is applicable. Number of episodes nor going on every adventure does not make him a protagonist. Playing an "active" part doesn't make him one either. Why people insist on acting as if labeling him a supporting character is some kind of insult is beyond me. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:08, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

It just seems so weird. A supporting character implies somebody sitting in the wings and coming on only when required when this is far from the case here. What's beyond me is why all the arguments that favor him as a protagonist are constantly deemed as not good enough. That is the really strange thing about this.--79.68.216.23 (talk) 00:52, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

One person arguing that he is a protagonist is not "all the arguments" - most have agreed he is not and no reliable source calls him one either. Those arguing that he is continue to argue from misdefinitions of the term and without showing how he meets the actual meaning of the word. A supporting character is one that supports the protagonists and antagonists, not someone "sitting in the wings". Note that Rin is also a supporting character. She is not a protagonist, she is not an antagonist, she supports the antagonist Sesshomaru. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 03:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

When I said arguments in his favor, I meant the number of points being raised to suggest WHY he should be included in the Protagonist section, not the number of editors arguing the case. I've also checked the archive for this talk page: more than one editor agrees that he belongs with the main characters. It just seems bizarre that every point in his favor is simply deemed not good enough, even when combined together. Rin is more like Kaede, a character who only makes the odd appearance from time to time, so having her as a supporting character I can understand. Besides which, when danger looms, Sesshomaru does tend to order Rin to stay away from the action. The general opinion appears to be that she is there to show that Sesshomaru does have a softer and more concerning side which is not all that apparent. Shippou is much more of a participant: he is not just a devoted follower like Rin or a pet that sticks by her mistress like Kirara. He joins the others in debates (or rather arguments when it comes to Inuyasha) and takes part in the battles.--79.68.250.116 (talk) 14:44, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Seems resonable to me. The argumnet that appearing in every episodes DOES NOT make him a major character never made sense to me. It' s like saying that Lois Lane, after being part og Superman in every shape or form since the 1940s, is a just a cusual passr-by.--90.22.168.13 (talk) 22:27, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

He is with the main characters, he IS in the list. That does not make him a protagonist. Nor is Shippo remotely comparable to Lois Lane, who would be more equivalent to Kagome. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:35, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

So how does the arugent: "appears in every episodes but is not a protagonist" work? To say he is a supportuinh charatcers suggests that he rjust appears from time to time, like that flea-demon or the leader of the wolf-demons.--90.22.168.13 (talk) 11:39, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest taking some time to actual learn what the meaning of protagonist is. A hint: it does not have crap to do with number of appearances. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

New voices

Since I can't edit this in, the voices of Moryomaru and Byakuya in The Final Act are Masaki Terasoma and Mitsuaki Madono, respectively. So if someone who can edit the page could put these in, that'd be great. ~Xagzan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xagzan (talk • contribs) 17:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Sesshomaru is not Lord of the Western Lands

Sesshomaru's section contains a very pervasive bit of fanon that should be corrected. "Lord of the Western Lands" is a fan-made title and appears nowhere in the manga or anime (if you want to argue, all you have to do is point to a chapter or episode where anyone calls him that). The line should probably read something like "While his father was a powerful general in western Japan, Sesshomaru inherited nothing from him other than a sword, Tenseiga, and maintains no permanant residence." The confusion probably stemmed from him being addressed as "Lord" in English, which made people assume he must be "Lord of" something, when in reality it was merely a translation of the "-sama" honorific, a simple term of high respect. As citation, I'll note that Sesshomaru has never been addressed with an additional title beyond "Son of the Dog General" (if Sesshoumaru actually inherited the title, why is he still called "Son of"?). I'll also cite chapter 499, where Sesshomaru states that if he has to give Tenseiga to Inuyasha, it will mean he inherited absolutely nothing from his father, implying that Tenseiga was his only inheritence. As for his lack of a home, the Japanese Shonen Sunday website has the original Japanese interview in which this was mentioned, while Viz's Shonen Sunday site has the translation. -- Patches365 (talk) 01:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Good catch and corrected. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

What's going on with Wikipedia???

I don't get it. Why has no one seemingly bothered about Sesshoumaru's, Inuyasha's and Narku's individual pages being deleted (let alone Kagome's and Sango's) and why is there no visible discussion of the decision to merge ANYWHERE on Wikipedia???

And why does Inuyasha (THE main character) not get a page when Peter Petrelli does? Not to mention 75 pages for each fucking episode! When there's a 2,907 word page for Jelly Jiggler how come there isn't one for the Lord Sesshomaru himself??? >—Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.126.29 (talk) 02:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The discussion is in the talk page archives. Read them. The characters were merged in March of LAST YEAR per consensus due to a lack of real world notability. Wikipedia is not a fansite, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason for reverting the merges that have stood for so long. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

I posted above from 59.92.126.29. I'm sorry but even after searching the archive and doing a history search on the talk page I could not find a discussion on merging Sesshomaru's and Inuyasha's character pages into this one (except 1 or 2 passing statements). Maybe I've lost my touch on this site after all. I was just browsing to see if anyone had updated how Inu obtains the Meido (Black sword) in the anime and was surprised to see the pages merged. Can someone reply with a link to the discussion where consensus was achieved on my new talk page? Kagome1977 (talk) 05:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:List of InuYasha characters/Archive 1 there are multiple discussions on the character merges. The merges were done in March. In addition to the consensus from those discussion, there is basic silent consensus that no one objected to those merges for 10 months, until you came to see about the sword. Please remember both civility (your profanity above was completely unnecessary), and that Wikipedia is not a fansite, so extensive minute detail about the characters without actual real-world notability, which Sesshomaru does not have. Why did you make a new account rather than log in to your previous one, which I presume is User:Kagome 77? Wikipedia has functions for retrieving your password if you forgot it. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:56, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

The new voices

Considering that now the Final Act is in it's 17 episode, Byakuya and a talking Moryomaru are now official parts of the anime, Mitsuaki Madono as Byakuya and Masaki Terasoma as Moryomaru, these sources come from TV.com, and I think that's a pretty good reliable site. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC))

TV.com is not a reliable source, as it is primarily user edited. The credits of the episode, if they list the characters, would be better. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

But also anime news network confirms those voices, that's maybe a more reliable source than TV.com http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=10970 (190.12.153.187 (talk) 04:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC))

ANN's encyclopedia is also a non-reliable source (same reason). The episodes are streaming in English sub on Hulu. I can't remember if they listed the voices in English or not, though. Its unlikely to take two years, though, considering its already airing like that. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 04:53, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Why would they care at all to sub the credits? also someone added the category heroes episodes here, vandalizing (190.12.153.187 (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC))

Since this list is mostly unsourced anyway, I'm inclined to say just go ahead and add them. While they can't be cited as sources, both are probably correct. I fixed the cat. It wasn't vandalism, just someone trying to link to it without realizing you have to put a : in front of categories when linking to them. :-) -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:08, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Still can't understand why would someone try to link InuYasha to Heroes at all or viceversa, I still can't edit the blocked page but you can, when you have the free time (by the way this is my account that I forgot about months ago, sorry) but I'll request for the page to be unblocked when I can (KingShodo (talk) 05:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC))

Ah, sorry, forgot its on long term protection because of a lot of vandalism after the new season started (blame 4Chan). I'll add them now. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:26, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Don't apologize, I did my fair share of vandalism, the only thing that pissed me was Myoga in the minor characters but I agree Shippo staying a supporting one, also sorry for calling you a bitch. (KingShodo (talk) 05:30, 29 January 2010 (UTC))

Well the final episode

I saw it and it adds some extras in the epilogue, Jinenji briefly appears (that's just a triviality) but it solves Koga's fate after he lost his Jewel Shards to Naraku, he became the leader of all the wolf-demon tribes and married that female wolf demon that appeared previously in the anime, don't know, you guys decide if its worth mentioning or not, but it would be better than just keep "dissapears from the manga". (190.12.153.187 (talk) 01:13, 30 March 2010 (UTC))

I agree, something brief would do since it is the only character difference between both endings. -67.171.250.39 (talk) 00:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Then we agree on that one, but the page is blocked til' august 8 and I don't have the power to edit it, someone else please. (190.12.153.187 (talk) 03:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC))

Reference added... Redwood Elf (talk) 22:35, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

"Shippo" redirect

"Shippo" seems to be a term that refers to some sort of Japanese enamel work. Trying to learn about that, I came to Wikipedia, and was redirected here. I don't care in the slightest about Inu-Yasha. That page should not redirect. --67.218.17.97 (talk) 14:51, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Midoriko

Would Midoriko be worth mentioning in the minor characters section, as her creation of the Shikon Jewel was one of the catalysts for the show's events? 129.3.139.45 (talk) 02:23, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

While she does play a part in the lore, she doesn't appear as a character as such. Perhaps a short mention on the main page as the creator of the Shikon jewel would be sufficient? Redwood Elf (talk) 22:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Jaken's Staff of Two heads

Though the staff is mentioned, perhaps some mention of it's capabilities should also be added? I only know what I've seen in the Anime, however (It has two heads on it, an old male one and a younger female one. The female head appears to have some kind of divinatory function (it screams at one point, if I remember correctly, when Jaken uses it to determine if the tomb of the Great Dog Demon is near) while the male head is basically a flamethrower.)) Were it's capabilities explored more thoroughly in the manga? Redwood Elf (talk) 22:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Shippo and Kirara should be a protagonist!!

I know being in every episode if Inuyasha doesn't mean he is someine is a protagonist. But shippo was the first one that Inuyasha and Kagome met who joined their group!! And because of this goal to avenge his father from the Thunder Brothers Inuyasha learned the Wind Scar which he has reiled on ever since. Thanks to Shippo's illusion's Inuyasha and the gang have been out of trouble alot. And if it wasn't for him and his big mouth most of the time Inuyasha (the show) will be a very unfunny show. When ever Inuyasha and Miroku and Sango is away he always rely's on Shippo to protect Kagome (since she always gets into trouble somehow.) If anyone is hurt Kagome get's her medical supplies and helps them and Shippo is right by her side helping her. So basiclly Shippo should be one of the Main Characters!

Where do I start.....how about Kirara has been very important in the whole Inuyasha series!! She has always obeyed all the commads Sango says and protects the gang through battles. Kirara usually appears to be a small kitten-sized feline with two tails, but can become large enough to carry several passengers usually Sango, Miroku, and Shippo. And she is sometimes the first one to detect a presence around and growl at the direction notifing Kagome, Iuyasha and the gang. With the help of Kirara Inuyasha was able to sense and aim his Wind Scar well. They always use Kirara through their journey to go one place to another. Since she does so much she should be in one of the protagnoists!!

When Shippo joined the group is not relevant. Neither is his comedic effect to the show. Same with Kirara. Who cares that she can carry people on her back when she transforms? Who cares that she can sense danger? Everything you wrote basically proves he is they are support characters rather than a protagonist. Remember this is an encyclopedia and not a fansite. 夢追人^YumeChaser 01:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Shippo should be listed as a protagonist for the following reasons:

1. He is travelling with the main group. 2. He has fought in several battles with the main group, using attacks such as the Heart Scar, Fox Fire, and he has also protected them with his attacks. 3. He does help them in most of the episodes, making him a protagonist. 4. Just because he is small and not totally battle-capable, he still can be a protagonist. 5. Kagome fights almost (but not quite) as rarely as Shippo, but she is a protagonist. (And if you think this is because she is with Inuyasha, Kikyo is also important to Inuyasha, but is a supporting character.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.182.21.175 (talk) 07:07, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

...

I don't really think we need this article, as we already have InuYasha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ThePlasticSnub (talk • contribs) 17:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

The main article cannot describe the characters in any detail. That is the reason why we have a separate article covering the most significant characters that appear in the series. —Farix (t | c) 19:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for blocking

OK this page is a complete mess, now I understand why it was blocked for almost a year, and it will keep being vandalized, once, someone actually wrote about Kikyo and Kagome's bust size. What the hell? (MrVoraz (talk) 22:14, 14 February 2011 (UTC)).

Um, what exactly are you talking about? Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 16:34, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Character Descriptions are Acting as Spoilers!

So I was reading this article because I wanted to know how to spell Kaede's name, when I decided to read the description of the characters.

When I read InuYasha's description, it revealed that at the end of the series, hima nd Kagome finally SPOILER ALERT kiss. Okay, fine. I kind of guessed that. But now I have a vague idea when it's going to happen -_- THEN I went over and read Miroku's character description, which basically gave away his end of the story -_-

I'm certain that the people who are reading don't want the endings spoiled for them. Normally, I would be the one to fix it, but I've already stopped reading because I don't want any more spoilers for me, and if I have to edit, I've gotta read. Sorry if I sound whiny or complain-y, but I'm only on like...episode 97 or something and now I know the ending of miroku's and Sango's relationship -_- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spiderpanda (talk • contribs) 11:31, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, we are to expect spoilers. There is a policy about this: WP:SPOILER. As Wikipedia is not censored, we should not censor materials that are considered spoilers. We also not add any spoiler disclaimer as well. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 11:46, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll also add that what people consider "spoilers" is entirely subjective. I honestly believe that there are only a few plot details that actually "spoil" one enjoyment of fictional story and that is usually a sign of poor writing. And the few actual spoilers don't last very long as spoilers because they quickly become cultural or literary memes. —Farix (t | c) 14:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The name of Sesshomaru's mother...

The name give, Inukimi, is not mentioned anywhere in canon, neither the manga nor the anime. All she is ever referred to is Sesshomaru's mother. Inukimi (and it's spelled Inu Kimi with a space) is a fan given name that has made the rounds on the internet.

10:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC) Danyealle-sama — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danyealle-sama (talk • contribs) 10:30, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Kirara or Kilala???

So what is it, Kirara or Kilala? Both spellings are used in this article, it doesn't make any sense. 84.198.27.196 (talk) 15:35, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Based on correct/accurate reading (Japanese language), it should be 'Kirara'. 'Kilala' this name only featured in Viz. 113.210.101.127 (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)