Talk:List of Indian Christians

People of Indian Origin

Should people of Indian origin be included in notable Indian christians list??. They forsure are of Indian origin, but whether they are Indians or not, Do they have an Indian citizenship is under debate.

Sourcing

Per our biographies of living persons policy and other policies, I have removed all entries from this list except the most clearly religious persons. Even those needs sourcing,but it would have been a bit ridiculous to remove e.g. Mother Teresa from this list. Religion is a controversial topic, and many people are not normally associated with one religion or another, and don't want to be labeled Christian, Sikh, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, ... To include people on this list, the religion of each individual must be sourced to a reliable source, preferably a source where the person self-identifies as a Christian. Fram (talk) 14:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

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Sourcing (again)

I notice that all entries were readded, beacuse apparently peopole can check the veracity of their religion on their respective articles. Not only does this go against WP:BLP and a number of other policies, which state that every potentially controversial or challenged statement must be sourced at the location it is made, not in another Wikipedia article, but worse, looking at a number of entries, no mention of their religion is made at their articles, meaning that these entries are unsourced here and at the article level. I have again removed all non-religious figures, and will continue to remove all unsourced or badly sourced entries. If people don't self identify as Christians, we shouldn't be doing it either, since it is at worst incorrect and at least irrelevant to the person (sporting achievements are not better or worse for being a Christian, a Hindu, a Sikh, an atheist, a Muslim, or whatever: religiion is in most cases completely irrelevant for the notability of sportspeople and many other people). Fram (talk) 14:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Since this has already been escalated to Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard all further discussions will take place there in order to avoid multiple threads of discussion. --Deepak D'Souza 14:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Per the discussion on Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard/Archive53#List of Indian Christians, I will again remove all unsourced entries, apart from clergy (which self identify by their profession: sources for these are of course also preferable). Problems with other lists should be discussed on those lists, or on some general forum, but have no bearing on this list, which should follow current policies. Further disagreement with this removal should be taken through the appropriate steps of dispute resolution. Fram (talk) 09:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup

This article needs an insane amount of clean up. I highly recomend someone who is motivated to format this article properly do so soon. Ridernyc (talk) 14:05, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, this article needs massive cleanup. Christian name will not do any justice to this article. Some of them notably Naveen Andrews had criticised religion in the past.

Do we really need this page

Do we really need to have a page like this based on religion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.16.183.90 (talk) 13:36, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

ridiculous page, please remove.Terrible priorities Actors and sports or highlighted, but ignores the many who built modern India (scientists, engineers, civil servants, social workers). Prwiki (talk) 00:30, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Clean-up begun

Please note that per WP:NLIST and WP:BLPCAT, we may not include any living person on this list unless they have self-identified as Christian and we can verify that in a reliable source. Note that "being born in a Christian family" is not enough (people change religion over time). For anyone who is already dead, we don't need self-identification, but we still need a reference. In both cases, the reference doesn't need to be here, but it has to be either here or on the person's WP page. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't have the time to get the sources, but I noticed that the best-known Indian Christians are not there in this list. Here is what comes to mind off the top of my head. It should be fairly easy to find sources for them:

1. Michael Madhusudan Dutt
2. Pandita Ramabai
3. S. K. Rudra
4. John Mathai
5. Valerian Gracias
6. Rajkumari Amrit Kaur
7. Joachim Alva
8. Violet Alva
9. Frank Anthony
10. Melville de Mellow
11. Frank Moraes
12. P. C. Alexander
13. Simon Pimenta
14. Abu Abraham
15. Dom Moraes

Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:48, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Entering Oommen Chandy in list

It is shocking to see "Oommen Chandy", the Kerala chief minister, being removed from the list. Two references were provided and they were even visuals.

Now I am quoting two more references for review. Below are the following: Birth-day-celebration-of-the-chief-minister Puthuppally Pally Perunnal – Oommen Chandy

Above links testify he is a practising Christian and a member of Indian Orthodox Church.

It is interesting to note that you have still kept actors such as "Asin" and "Naveen Andrews" (known more for his sexual acts in off-screen) who have never talked or written about their faith in public.

I suggest you to verify with any Malayali. Thanks!

Thedon1 (talk) 21:37, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Arbitrary heading

After long research included 22 names of Indian origin Christians who participated in freedom struggle and 41 names of Army personals with references but on more than 5 occasions between 2015 to 2017 it has been deleted, it is very shocking and surprising . I wonder is it a deliberate ploy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 18:13, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

No, it is because you are not following our policies - in particular, the information at WP:V. Since yours is a new account but you claim to have been adding the info since 2015, I am curious regarding what other accounts you may have used. - Sitush (talk) 18:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

i dont think you need an account to edit the page. I did create the account only to register my protest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 18:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC) Nitish.massey

You are correct that you do not need an account. However, you can't keep reinstating stuff that fails policies such as WP:V and WP:BLP, nor things such as WP:NLIST. It doesn't matter how many accounts and IP addresses you use, it is wrong and it will be reverted. If you persist then other actions can be taken to prevent your abuse of Wikipedia. - Sitush (talk) 18:43, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

If you can reliably source these recent additions and, preferably, put them into alphabetical order, then that would be good. Please note that if any of them are living then the source must show that they self-identify as Christian. The citations need to be complete - author name (where available), title, year, page number etc. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Dear sitush most of the wiki pages of persons included in the freedom fighter added by me , contain references that they were Christians. Are you implying that still i have to give the external reference to edit the article. Names like titusji amrit kaur madhusudan das . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 19:06, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, and if you take cites from those articles then they need to be checked. There is sometimes an allowance made for this, called "summary style", but experience has taught us that on articles related to India, and in particular to matters such as lists of people of X caste or Y religion, things rapidly get out of hand. It is far better to cite here, then there should be no arguments. - Sitush (talk) 19:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

it is not so on other articles which include articles related to India and include matters such as lists of people of X caste or Y religion , why this exception. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey Nitish.massey • contribs) 19:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

It isn't the exception - it is quite common. The WP:BURDEN is on the person adding the material. - Sitush (talk) 19:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Personal attacks, legal threats etc. Contributor now indef blocked. - Sitush (talk) 08:34, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

let me add this is the message i received on my account from Sitush " Your recent editing history at List of Indian Christians shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection." "Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Sitush (talk) 18:45, 2 February 2017 (UTC)" "my response" Nitish.masseyI would say it is the other way round were my material contributions with genuine citations have been edited time and again. i agree that citations are required but most of the names added by me have their independent wikipages/articles with specific reference that they are Christians, I fail to understand then how is this non compliance with the policies.Nitish.massey People I have seen Sitush activities on wikipedia, you have been sedulously editing a lot of articles/pages on a daily basis most of which are related to caste and religion in India. innuendo being that you are politically motivated. I won't be surprised if you continue in your campaign with a different pseudonym, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 23:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC) one question are you an authorized wikipedia representative ?? as you have been using the term "our policies" in our aforementioned interactions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 23:41, 2 February 2017 (UTC) people another example of this fake user Stush below is the message I recived on my wikipage Sanctions alert[edit source] Commons-emblem-notice.svg This message contains important information about an administrative situation on Wikipedia. It does not imply any misconduct regarding your own contributions to date. Please carefully read this information: The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here. Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you that sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions. - Sitush (talk) 17:31, 4 February 2017 (UTC) "My response"thanks Sitush you fake, i thought you were gone, btw your name figures on the 'wikipedia users who are not wikipedians' better explain that to the arbitration committee and dont ever brandish me these threats in future . Am a qualified lawyer with years of practice, you are functioning of Wikipedia with ill and oblique motives which are biased and past activities qualify for your dismissal besides other legal action after tracing your true identity and IP address. Probably this is the reason you did not dare to post this of the talk page of "list of Indian Christians" Your activities are highly doubtfull and against the very spirit of wikipedia. I have seen your activities in the past however have restrained from taking any action. I call upon you to cease and desist with immediate effect from continuing in such activities in future, failing which i shall be constrained to intimate appropriate remedies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 20:34, 4 February 2017 (UTC) Btw in your past conduct you have been impersonating as an wikipedia administrator/representaive which is enough to take legal actions against you. Therefore treat this as a Serious Matter( a piece of advice) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nitish.massey (talk • contribs) 20:46, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Well, sorting out that mess - adding sources etc - has consumed nearly three hours of my life. I won't see them again and I am blowed if I am going to keep doing this. People should either provide valid sources when they add names to this list or I, for one, will simply remove their additions. - Sitush (talk) 10:22, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

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