Talk:List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League finals/Archive 1
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Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2018
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In champions league list of grounds hosting finals ( by name) Heysel Stadium is listed as hosting 4 times. However, in your breakdown of total times ,Heysel is omitted. This error should be corrected. Jw4076 (talk) 09:03, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Nationality columns
Isn't it a bit confusing having the nationality columns so prominent? Can we refer to the nations by their FIFA tricodes instead of their full names? – PeeJay 19:20, 25 November 2019 (UTC)
Tottenham Hotspur vandalism
No idea at all how to change the edit, but the table currently says Spurs have 3 European Cups which is obviously incorrect.
Can someone revert it please? Sluggor (talk) 21:53, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Done, this template is edited separately at Template:UEFA Champions League performance by club. Snowflake91 (talk) 22:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Article title
Should we include "European Cup" in the title? I think that the article should be consistent with the main article, which is UEFA Champions League, and not European Cup and UEFA Champions League, so using only the current name should be fine. And there is no consistency accross other competitions anyway, for example we have List of UEFA Cup and Europa League finals, but at the other hand we have List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup finals (and not List of European Cup Winners' Cup and UEFA Cup Winners' Cup finals) and List of UEFA Super Cup matches (and not List of Super Competition, European Super Cup and UEFA Super Cup matches). Basically, all those competitions are officially the same, just renamed, so we should use only the current name in all sub-articles to simplify things. Snowflake91 (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- The comparison with List of UEFA Cup Winners' Cup finals is kinda spurious. As I have pointed out, the list contains finals that were not played under the UEFA Champions League brand, so to call the article "List of UEFA Champions League finals" implies the list begins in 1993. – PeeJay 23:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
- But its the same copmetition, its not like the winners are counted separately since 1993 in any source. According to that logic, we should rename List of Arsenal F.C. seasons to List of Dial Square F.C., Royal Arsenal, Woolwich Arsenal F.C., and Arsenal F.C. seasons because their early seasons were not played as "Arsenal FC", and this would make absolutely no sense. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don’t have any problems with your argument, my issue was just that the move should have been discussed before being put through as uncontroversial when it clearly isn’t. – PeeJay 09:49, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have fully move-protected the article. @Ae245 and Pizzigs: I advise you to join in the discussion here, with a requested move being an option for further input from others. Sdrqaz (talk) 12:04, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I don’t have any problems with your argument, my issue was just that the move should have been discussed before being put through as uncontroversial when it clearly isn’t. – PeeJay 09:49, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- But its the same copmetition, its not like the winners are counted separately since 1993 in any source. According to that logic, we should rename List of Arsenal F.C. seasons to List of Dial Square F.C., Royal Arsenal, Woolwich Arsenal F.C., and Arsenal F.C. seasons because their early seasons were not played as "Arsenal FC", and this would make absolutely no sense. Snowflake91 (talk) 09:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with everything Snowflake91 said here in this post. Ae245 (talk) 12:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I'm okay with whatever the community agrees on. My only concern was consistency, as all of the related articles (History of the European Cup and UEFA Champions League, List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winning managers, List of European Cup and UEFA Champions League winning players, European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics, as well as List of UEFA Cup and Europa League finals, List of UEFA Cup and Europa League winning managers, List of UEFA Cup and Europa League winning players, UEFA Cup and Europa League records and statistics, and List of UEFA Cup and Europa League top scorers) would need to be renamed if we were to rename this one. Pizzigs (talk) 13:36, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. The issue really is that when people talk about the Champions League, they're usually only referring to the post-1992 competition, whereas the European Cup refers to the competition's entire history from 1955 onwards. I understand the argument about List of Arsenal F.C. seasons not including Dial Square, Royal Arsenal and Woolwich Arsenal in the title, but Arsenal F.C. as a name encompasses the club's entire history in a way that UEFA Champions League doesn't quite do for the entire history of the European Cup. – PeeJay 17:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- I agree with @PeeJay: and @Pizzigs:, the Champions League mainly refers to the competition post 1992, before which it was, and still is in some regards, known as the European Cup. I don't see the need to change it, especially when you'd have to change a lot of other lists too. Strikes me as a case of if it's not broken don't fix it. NapHit (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
- Agreed. The issue really is that when people talk about the Champions League, they're usually only referring to the post-1992 competition, whereas the European Cup refers to the competition's entire history from 1955 onwards. I understand the argument about List of Arsenal F.C. seasons not including Dial Square, Royal Arsenal and Woolwich Arsenal in the title, but Arsenal F.C. as a name encompasses the club's entire history in a way that UEFA Champions League doesn't quite do for the entire history of the European Cup. – PeeJay 17:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)