Talk:List of Eurodance artists

HELLO

(8ohmh) I have added Blue heart (Singing I'm happy, 1994) & Bass Expanders (Bounce, 1994)

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i have no idea what most of the american musicians are even doing on the list. they are more r&b and hip hop or disco, and not eurodance.

Many of these aren't Eurodance

Agree with the previous comment about the US, and also half the UK artists listed are not true Eurodance. I'm also sceptical about some of the other european lists as well. 217.155.138.250 22:23, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Why aren't any Lithuanian artists on this list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.151.66.124 (talk) 00:18, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

YOU SHOULD

you should put some israelis EURODANCE ARTIST!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.81.63.127 (talk) 18:36, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

David Guetta

David Guetta is not Eurodance but house —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.69.178.52 (talk) 08:26, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

And Darius & Finlay are from Austria not UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.5.158.104 (talk) 18:37, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Wrong Links

1. The link to "The Flex" goes to Cape Cod Regional Transit Authority... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.79.126 (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

2. Code goes to a page on computer programming...

Amateur Projects

Added 'Amateur Projects' section, list compiled from users of http://www.dancetheria.com/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=b12f268a22d094235cb1dbddd35e254 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.36.29.46 (talk) 21:29, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Excluded per WP:LISTPEOPLE and WP:SOAPBOX. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 23:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Meaningless?

Is this article/list really necessary? Several groups do not belong to the genre, and some of the links go to completely different articles. There are lots of red links and not all of these artists are significant. In my opinion it would be better to use categories: Eurodance artists and Eurodance artists from country X. The lists would then automatically be updated, include only significant artists and always link to the correct articles. Another option is to organize the list more like List of alternative rock artists (columns, only blue links etc.), but personally I prefer the category option (that applies to all genres). 83.109.101.37 (talk) 19:55, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Debation of Pitbull's "Rain Over Me"

This is not a Eurodance track. I don't see the properties of it in this song nor does it resemble one. It features two artists from the United States. The sources used are nothing but non-music oriented newspaper sources. Here are other sources that do NOT say that "Rain Over Me" is Eurodance, and they're both music oriented:

http://www.allmusic.com/album/rain-over-me-mw0002227903 http://rateyourmusic.com/release/single/pitbull/rain_over_me/

I know genres are largely opinion, but this one is ridiculous.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 16:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC)

Both sources explicitly describe this song as "Eurodance" and this genre even appeared in the corresponding article. Note that the two sources you provided are unreliable. Synthwave.94 (talk) 12:21, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

And as shown, both my sources do not state that the song is Eurodance. So how are they unreliable? Are you saying articles from non-music sites are more reliable? The Allmusic source is a standard database website whereas the RateYourMusic source is a collaboration of opinions from several people who's main purpose is to solely listen to and judge music to offer a final opinion. User-contributed sources for genres are arguably far more reliable due to the combined opinion of many as opposed to the opinion of one, so-called professional, opinions from people working with newspapers who probably don't even work with music. There are many examples where somebody calls this genre X in a source but people who actually listen to these albums debate these sources because they know in their right mind that it's not this genre. There needs to be a new system implemented officially on Wikipedia regarding music genres, because we're not necessarily talking about factual information.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 17:03, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Again your sources are unreliable. Rate Your Music is a user-generated website while AllMusic sidebars are unreliable and are never used to support genres additions. Anyway just because there are sources which don't mention Eurodance doesn't mean it doesn't belong to the genre. Sources provided in this list explicitly call this song "Eurodance". Synthwave.94 (talk) 21:18, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

"There needs to be a new system implemented officially on Wikipedia regarding music genres, because we're not necessarily talking about factual information." : maybe should you discuss it here ?

You failed to address any part of my argument. Don't tell me again that they're unreliable. Explain to me how they are? Explain to me how multiple opinions are less reliable than one?

FYI, Allmusic is a commonly used source for this website.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 16:52, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

They are unreliable, as explained above. AllMusic sidebars are never considered reliable and only written prose (the actual reviews) are considered reliable for this website. Rate Your Music is user-generated and doesn't count as a reliable source. Current sources provided in the article are reliable and explicitly associate songs with the Eurodance genre. Synthwave.94 (talk) 13:22, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

And you continue not to explain to me how they're unreliable. You're just repeating to me that RateYourMusic is a user-contributed source. What's unreliable about that? You fail to answer why multiple opinions are worse than one.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 05:25, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

User-generated websites are unreliable are they are only modified by users like you and me and not music critics. Thus these csources can't be used to support genres (or any other piece of info in an article). Regarding AllMusic sidebars, several discussions confirmed they are unreliable, as you can see here or here. Also stop removing sourced content without first reaching a consensus. This is considered disruptive and you will eb blocked aif you continue. Synthwave.94 (talk) 13:31, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Why? Because music critics have jobs? Even though of a possibility that music critics are barely even specialized in music? These users on RateYourMusic create accounts because they express a passion for music, listening to thousands of albums and Wikipedia is to assume that their opinions are invalid? Becuase GameInformer gave 6.75 out of 10 to Sonic the Hedgehog even though it's unanimously agreed that Sonic the Hedgehog '06 is a terrible, broken game? So how reliable are critics? Again, you fail to explain why multiple opinions are less reliable than one. We're not talking about factual information, we're talking about popular opinion. Just because it's from a professional source doesn't make it a fact. I want you to admit to me that these sources you're defending aren't facts. Forget this article for a second. I want you to listen to this song and admit to me that "Rain Over Me" is not Eurodance. If you can agree with me on my previous two concerns, then I'll stop my "disruptive" editing.

And you want to talk about disruptive? You're not exactly helping the development of this article yourself. All you've been doing is reverting edits from good faith users because they weren't able to present the source (despite a few times now the artists you removed were genuinely Eurodance.) You even fail to educate these users on how to add sources, etc, so they can be proper contributors. You're stunting the growth of this article and you shun new users as opposed to welcoming them, so why are you really here?

I'm not going to continue reverting you because this is Wikipedia and I already accept that Wikipedia is an unreliable source for music, but nonetheless to show your decency, I anticipate a response.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 17:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

"I'm not going to continue reverting you...", so why do you continue removing sourced material without reaching a consensus first ? Synthwave.94 (talk) 12:06, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

You completely ignored my last response. You could've had an opportunity to show your honesty and integrity and we could've had something along the lines of a serious talk, but you didn't. So now much like how you disrespected me, I'm going to disrespect my own rule.--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 16:56, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Review/articles written by music critics (or any tertiary source) are appropriate to support genres. The sources you provided to say "Rain over Me" is not Eurodance are not considered reliable, while the sourced added in this list are. It's irrelevant if you think this song is not Eurodance, but you can decide asking for a third opinion. Again you don't have any consensus for removing sourced content from this list. Note that this list was badly sourced the first time I saw it, but now the list is supported by nearly 200 references. However it still requires improvement. Yes I've been undoing some unsourced additions by IP adresses but I justified my actions ; that's not your case in your edit summaries (and you can be blocked for misusing Twinkle). Competence is required to edit Wikipedia and anyone who is clever enough knows that Wikipedia content requires sources. I hope you will stop disrupting this page or I'll report you to admins. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:04, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

YOU'RE REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. I've already told you countless times that I consider collective opinions, regardless of its user-contributed nature, more reliable than a single opinion of any caliber for subjective material, despite nobody yet explaining to me why in depth it isn't. Because Wikipedia says so is not an answer I can accept. There needs to be a logic behind it and I'm the only one showing any at the moment. Put away the silly, pointless policing for a moment because I really don't care if I do get indefinitely blocked at this point. What is YOUR OPINION on the song?--F-22 Raptör^{Aces High♠} 18:17, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

It's obvious you don't know how Wikipedia works. My own opinion, as well as yours, is completly irrelevant regarding the true genre of a song. The only thing which is required on Wikipedia is reliable sources as per WP:RS, WP:NOR and WP:SUBJECTIVE. It's even better when there are multiple sources. There are already two independent sources which proves this song is Eurodance, which is in my opinion enough to justify the inclusion of the song in the list. Again if you disagree with this entry, you can ask for a third opinion, but I'm afraid that it won't be possible to remove it. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:30, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support inclusion - A website with an overall consensus for being reliable states it as such (AllMusic). The argument for removal is not valid, because the source (Rate Your Music) is not reliable - violates WP:USERG. The consensus for both of these stances are documented clearly at WP:MUSIC/SOURCE. Even beyond that, the fact that a particular source doesn't list a genre doesn't usually prove that a genre should be removed anyways. Sergecross73 msg me 18:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I agree there's no reason to remove "Rain over Me" just because Mr. F-22 Raptored "thinks" it's not a Eurodance song. Synthwave.94 (talk) 18:34, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

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