Talk:List of Arrow characters/Archive 1

Archive 1

Citations needed

Connections to the comic book characters can't be made without references from reliable sources. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 13:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Article name? -> List of Arrow characters?

Shouldn't this be called List of Arrow characters? I'm pretty sure that fits the MOS. || Tako (talk) 05:12, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Back and forth regarding characters

This back and forth is pointless. There is no way we can allow even a bit of OR (read: personal knowledge of the comic book characters and their universe) into the character descriptions. If a Reliable Source has made some connections, then we can point out where they have said so, and attribute it accordingly. We are not the stars of the article, and only their views can be used. No Sherlocking on our parts is allowed. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:18, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm just trying to mention where the character names are coming from.. not to say they are the same person. That adds context. As far as the Great Ten thing, the source said the name came from the comics, so pointing to the comic character is perfectly appropriate.. I never said it was the same guy. Obviously they are taking names from the comics and even though many of them are in no way adaptions of the characters, it is still interesting to point out where the names came from. Oh, and the interview link with Willa Holland mentions that the name was included as a little hint to her possible outcome.. and so i was trying to get something in there on that without saying that she is going to go there..and that could definitely be considered an easter egg. Spanneraol (talk) 03:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

This has come up before, Spanneraol; I've even reinforced the main point above. By linking the tv character to the comic book character, you are absolutely saying that they are the same person. We do not have an explicit reference that says that, and therefore we cannot. We are not allowed to fill in the blanks, add interesting factoids or observation or Sherlock what a hint expressed in a source means. And, unless a reliable source explicitly states that Holland's nickname is an 'Easter Egg', we are not allowed to create that conclusion.

You or I or anyone else might be smart enough to see through the ham-fisted plotlines to make excellent deductions about where everything is going, but we cannot do so in the article. Wikipedia articles do not (and cannot) be about what you or I guesstimate as to plot connectivity; we operate solely upon Secondary Sources for that.

A last point: when your text is getting reverted out repeatedly, you may want to consider that talking it out is going to work out a lot better than trying to resolve the matter via edit summary. Talking about the problem here specifically prevents the annoying back and forth that plagues the beginning fo every edit war. I'd prefer to avoid that, as I am sure you would as well. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:23, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Well some people have come in and directly linked the characters but I'm not advocating that. Comparing the show characters to characters of the same name appearing in the comics is allowed. No policy disallows adding "interesting factoids." In any event, I think I have a way to get in what I'm going for without running through more verbal gymnastics... How about this language... "On the show, Oliver nicknames Thea "Speedy" and her middle name is later revealed to be Dearden. In the comic books, one of Oliver's sidekicks is the similarly named Mia "Speedy" Dearden"." Thats just a factual statement that is easily sourced and is similar to what we are doing for other characters. Spanneraol (talk) 14:35, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure where you arrived at the idea that we are allowed to compare the characters from two different media, but that is an incorrect assessment of our polices and guidelines. In order to accomplish what you want, you have to find a verifiable, notable and reliable source that explicitly - let me reiterate that last word, since it's hugely important: explicitly - compares Thea Queen to Mia Dearden or any of Green Arrow's sidekicks. We are not allowed to interpret the information given us. We report on how others have interpreted that information.

We can state (with a source to back it up) that Thea's middle name is Dearden. We cannot make any comparison to that fact and anyone from the comics. Not without a source. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:03, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Characters from different medium are compared all the time... many articles about films (or TV series) based on books remark on the translation of the characters or storylines from one medium to the other. Your hard line interpretation is certainly not common practice. By the way, here is a reference that compares the two and that actually uses the "easter egg" term that you took out earlier [1]. Is that enough for you to put it back in? Spanneraol (talk) 18:48, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are compared all the time…on other websites. Not here in Wikipedia. Since this is an online encyclopedia, we hold ourselves to a higher standard than we would a fansite or rumor-mongering blogfest. Your should be pushing for a stricter standard as well, to keep us out of that nonsense that passes for news in the Blogosphere.

Regarding the citation you presented, I am wondering why you spent time arguing and reverting when you could have simply presented this reference in talk or int he article. You wouldn't have wasted so much time. That said, you might want to examine that reference a lot more closely. It predates the intro of Colton Haynes to the cast by several months, which somewhat replaces the supposition of Thea Queen as a sidekick. Also, the reference notes a deleted scene which was meant as an Easter Egg; they thought better of it and removed it, opting for something else. That invalidates even the mention of an egg, as it was never revealed. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 20:05, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I didn't find the reference till later.. and if you look at it, the mention of the easter egg in the article was in relation to her nickname and the producer says that they originally went further with the idea and had this other scene but they kept the reference in there. Colton Haynes doesnt matter in this regard because he is a separate character. That they threw in an easter egg connection to this character doesnt relate to any other characters. Spanneraol (talk) 21:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

I am glad that you found a reference, Spanneraol; that's the best way to win any particular argument. The only difference here is that you are arguing that an older reference discussed a deleted scene which hinted at Thea becoming the sidekick. If there was any follow-through on that plot thread, there'd be more feedback from critics and other reliable sources. There hasn't been any as of yet, and we cannot presume to read between the lines. More specifically, we cannot read between the lines, or make an interpretation that a RS has not made.

Here's an alternative:

"Willa Holland portrays Thea Queen, Oliver's troubled younger sister. Thea's recreational drug use is resolved by the end of Season One when she narrowly escapes being jailed for driving while under the influence. Her brother's occasional nickname for her is 'Speedy'."

This disentangles us from any appearance of drawing any conclusions not explicitly made by a RS. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:08, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I was not actually arguing that she was going to become his sidekick... I was arguing that they included an easter egg that intentionally referenced the comic book character.. and that could be mentioned regardless of if she ever becomes the character. But in any event, your proposed version above is better written than what is in the article. Spanneraol (talk) 12:47, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

For me, the issue regarding th eEaster Egg hinges upon whether it is in the DVD. Since it was deleted before it ever made it into the show, it would present an weighted perspective on something that doesn't appear to matter all that much. Why mention an Easter Egg that no one is going to ever get to see? Easter never came, so to speak. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 16:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

"Potrayed" vs "Portrays"

This article is rife with grammatical errors and structural inconsistencies; I've done a bit to try and correct what I saw while reading through, but one thing I've noticed that is bound to recur is the improper use of "potrayed" vs "portrays". Context is key: when referring to an actor in a role for a season, the proper word to use is "portrays" (i.e. "John Barrowman portrays Malcom in season one"). All of the actors have portrayed their characters. The tense should not be used to denote whether a character is alive or dead; that should be explained in the body of the paragraph. "Portrayed" is properly used, as in the case of Sara Lance, when one or more actors have been featured in the role (i.e. "Sara Lance was portrayed by Jacqueline MacInnes Wood"). Zargabaath 17:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Special Guests

I moved the guest cast to this page because it really isn't appropriate for the main page. It just became a dumping ground for any new character announced. I don't think that it's appropriate here as well, but (to me) it's the best place for it until the day comes that we actually need season articles. Then, we can move them to their respective seasons. Also, by that point, we should have developed this page to an actual "article" and be able to move it away from just a basic listing of actors and characters. Thoughts?  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:12, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Need to be some criteria for listing a character in this section so we don't wind up with every actor that appears on the show being listed... I think it was good to get it off the main page though as it was becoming too cluttered with stuff. I'd eventually like to get this page to be like the Characters of Smallville page with more information about the main roles. Spanneraol (talk) 16:29, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you fully (on all accounts). For the time being, I think we go with listing any "announced" guest. I tried to be clearer with the heading of "special guest", as they are the ones that get listed in the opening credits, whereas "E.R. Doctor 2" does not get that listing.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 16:42, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

I went and moved some of the lesser characters from recurring to this section as the recurring list here should be significant players like Sara Lance, Malcolm Merlyn and Shado as opposed to short term roles like Deadshot and China White, who are better listed as special guests. Spanneraol (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Sources to help expand

I think we can dump some sources to help expand some of the characters on this page. Here are some interviews regarding Deadshot and China White. They are from GreenArrowTV.com (a fansite), but since they are interviews that were conducted directly, they are reliable to use.

• Stephen Amell talks Deadshot and China White
• Producers talk Deadshot's look

We don't need to use them right away, but it's something.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 18:21, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Tara Strong

Any chance to have Tara Strong added to the list as Harley Quinn for season 2? http://www.greenarrowtv.com/voice-surprise-arrow-casts-tara-strong-as-the-voice-of/16624 Lacon432 (talk) 02:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

No... it was a cameo not a full guest appearance. Spanneraol (talk) 04:50, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And she wasn't even credited as Harley Quinn. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:40, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Overview table

Was this removed for a reason? For this series, which has had numerous changes to its regular cast over three seasons, it really helped to have that summary at the top of the page. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:27, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

It was removed because there already exists a table that says the exact same thing for the main characters. There's not reason to duplicate it. Their "status" isn't an important feature of them throughout the show anyway, so although it's easy to see if they were recurring, the table itself is hyperfocusing on the smallest aspect of the character.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 06:55, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Recurring vs. Guest

I noticed that Malcolm Merlyn (John Barrowman) is listed in the Main characters section as Recurring in Season 1, but as Guest in Season 2. By my informal count, Malcolm appeared in two 2-episode arcs, or 4 of 23 in that season. At what point does someone stop being a guest and start recurring? I was also wondering about Brick, who was a major presence in three consecutive episodes. At the moment, he's a Guest, while Gen. Shrieve (Marc Singer), who's had only two episodes to date (both were short single scenes), is Recurring. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Recurring is supposed to be for someone who was a major presence for the entire season as opposed to guesting in a few episodes.. .. I believe sources indicated that Shrieve would be a bigger presence for the rest of the season. Spanneraol (talk) 23:18, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Additionally, if the source indicating the casting of the actor/actress explicitly calls the part recurring, they are automatically added to the recurring section. A rule of thumb I like to follow for 22/23 episode seasons is 4 or more appearances in a season, that are substantial, indicates a recurring character, even if the producers never classify it as such. Additionally, if a character appears 4 or more times across the series, they should be considered recurring then as well, because that's what they are doing, recurring. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I think you have to look at the impact. The random doctor that appears in 4 episodes is hardly recurring, but the same one that appears in 15 episodes across the series definitely is. This is a reason why I don't like the way the table is set up, because if there isn't a source for a particular season then you're creating an arbitrary definition. If it was set up differently, it would be easier because you would just say he was a "recurring character that became a series regular in season three."  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 01:18, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Charlotte Ross move from guest stars to recurring cast

An anon use keeps moving Ross to the recurring cast subsection, and I've reverted it back twice, suggesting that they bring their thought processes here to the discussion page to hash out a workable solution. Stating that 'she's been in 4 eps, so she's totally recurring' doesn't fit with how we are supposed to construct articles. We use sources that let us know that she's a recurring cast member, or the actual credit reel. In both cases, the anon has not added such a reference. Without it, we shouldn't be making moves like that. It opens us up to claims of character favoritism and subsequent edit warring. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:44, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

The show's credits do not tell you whether a guest star is recurring or not; it just lists the actors. Also, if you look, both sections can contain recurring characters; the criteria given for the Recurring section is "in multiple episodes, which were significant roles, sometimes across multiple seasons", while the Guest stars says "guest stars, some recurring, who appear in lesser roles". This is absolutely a judgment call on our part as to which roles are significant and which are not. If one is to believe Ross, her role was always intended to be a recurring one per this interview. However, we have to decide whether this role is significant or not; the "multiple episodes" criterion is surely met (I believe it's five episodes so far, not four; three so far this season, and two last season). Other actors have started in Guest stars and moved up to Recurring, including Danielle Panabaker and Carlos Valdes. I'm inclined to think that with five episodes where she had significant roles, especially now that she's not only Felicity's mother but in a relationship with Lance, it may be time to move her to recurring, and another episode or two should be enough to seal the deal. If you have an argument as to why she is not yet significant, I'm happy to hear it. BlueMoonset (talk) 08:23, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Panabaker, Valdes and Barrowman all referenced as recurring characters. Ross is not. We work off references, since our Sherlocking is not citable. It shouldn't be a judgement call, as we then invite arguments as to who is recurring and who is guesting - Jack Sebastian (talk) 02:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

It has to be judgement calls, because not all recurring characters get sources that say they are recurring. And when all television series (generally, this one included) list all actors not in the main cast as "guest stars", it is up to users to determine recurring over guest. As BlueMoonset pointed out, on this article, recurring is appearing ""in multiple episodes, which were significant roles, sometimes across multiple seasons", while guest stars are "guest stars, some recurring, who appear in lesser roles". For the question on Ross, I'd say she is borderline recurring, since despite appearing in the multiple episodes across multiple seasons, it is a lesser role each time she appears. If she appears one more time, I'd consider her recurring. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 03:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Technically, "recurring" actors are ones who appear in a majority of the episodes in a season and a major part of the plot.. as opposed to guest stars who appear in only a couple of episodes or have limited screen time.. Panabaker and Valdes should not be listed as recurring as they were only in the cross-over episodes.. Ross has been more prominent this season but I dont know if shes quite at that level yet. Spanneraol (talk) 04:10, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

We have a reliable reference listing them as recurring. I don't like it, but as an editor, it isn't up to me. Therein lies the difference. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:30, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

So, say, if she only showed up once more but it was to kill her off and put her in the grave they've been teasing all season, that would be major enough to make the switch? -- 68.37.227.226 (talk) 04:57, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

To my reckoning, no. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 05:27, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

That was addressed to Spanneraol to further clarify his own statements, not yourself. -- 68.37.227.226 (talk) 22:53, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Where is the reliable source that says Panabaker and Valdes are recurring on Arrow? The source in the article simply says they "make an important appearance on the show" it doesnt call them recurring. Spanneraol (talk) 19:08, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Recurring to main

I notice we list Slade as main but Damien as recurring. What is required for a promotion? 184.145.18.50 (talk) 02:38, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

The official episode credits at the start of each episode. Manu Bennett was listed as a main actor in all episodes when he was one, whereas Neal McDonough has never been, only credited in the episodes he appears as "Special Guest Appearance by". - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Husband of Holt

I added an entry for him under recurring since he has recurred. If anyone thinks this is inappropriate then we should at very least list him as 'guest' since he's taken an added role in relation to Team Arrow as Felicity's physiotherapist. 184.145.18.50 (talk) 01:30, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Not a big enough role for recurring, should be under guest. Spanneraol (talk) 02:08, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Agree with the guest add. Was going to do it myself after tonight's episode, but was obviously beaten to it. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:15, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Clarification of sentence meaning

"In addition, the series explores how Oliver's quest to restore order in Starling City affects the lives of those who are closest to him, and how are they shaping him into the hero he ultimately becomes. The very last part of this sentence doesn't quite make sense and I hesitate to guess who or what is doing the shaping of 'our hero' BobDog54 (talk) 23:48, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Reducing status of some main characters

I want to throw this topic open for discussion -- should some of the characters now listed as main characters be "retired" and downgraded to recurring/occasional?

I know it's the general consensus that characters who debuted in the first season of a show continue to be listed as main characters even if they don't appear for a while. But, this list of main characters is somewhat crowded with characters who've since died or been 'retired' and haven't appeared for a long time.

Examples: Colin Donnell (Tommy Merlyn) has made only a handful of appearances since Season 1. Manu Bennett (Slade Wilson) only appeared once since the end of Season 2, and Susanna Thompson (Moira Queen) hasn't appeared at all since Season 2. Even Colton Haynes (Roy Harper) has been removed, appearing only once this season (season 4).

I think the list of main characters here needs to be thinned out. Maybe have those I've cited listed now as recurring characters, or even create a new category: "Occasional characters", acknowledging their former Main status but recognizing that they aren't any longer.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Outrage? Agreement? What do you think?

Ooznoz (talk) 00:07, 6 April 2016 (UTC)Ooznoz

Please see WP:TVCAST for why we continue to list main characters as main characters, even if they are not anymore. - adamstom97 (talk) 05:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Character promotions/additions

Why has Curtis Holt not been moved up to the main cast section and why hasn't Adrian Chase been added also but Black Dog has been added to the recurring cast section for season 5? Also, shouldn't Evelyn Sharp be moved up to the recurring cast section since the articles announcing she would be back as Artemis say she will be a recurring character?NTC TNT (talk) 23:05, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

We list them as the credits of the program lists them. Also, we use references that not that certain characters are going to be recurring or upgraded to main cast. We don't get to make that decision - the showrunners do, and we just report it. Its the fine difference between Wikipedia and some bloggy fancruft site. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:56, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Citations needed for character descriptions?

Currently attempting to copy edit this article, as per the template message. Are citations required for plot points in these descriptions? If so, I assume episode review and recaps are acceptable sources, as long as they don't come from blog sites. Would sites such as TVLine, IGN or GreenArrowTV all be considered acceptable? Any advice much appreciated! Autumnking2012 (talk) 13:22, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

The episodes themselves can cover the basic character descriptions, with sources a definite if some piece of info is controversial. That said, extra sources for the info won't hurt anyone. As for reliable sources, anything from The Hollywood Reporter, TVLine, IGN, Entertainment Weekly or The A.V. Club would be good. Not GreenArrowTV, though, as that is a fan site. If you fine some not on one of these sites, just add it here and others can comment on it if necessary. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 02:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Cassidy returns

...but as Earth 2 Laurel, alias Black Siren. Since Cassidy appears to have gone the Harrison Wells way of the same actor playing a new iteration of the same character in the next season, can we merge the cells under "appearances" and leave the character field simply containing "Laurel Lance", like Tom Cavanagh's field in The Flash? Favre1fan93 and Brojam, what is your opinion? --Kailash29792 (talk) 04:15, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree that we should merge the cells since they are both Laurel Lance. None of the Earth-2 doppelgänger on The Flash have two rows for their different characters, including Harrison Wells. Maybe we should have it "Laurel Lance / Black Canary / Black Siren" instead of simply "Laurel Lance". - Brojam (talk) 05:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

I created the two rows because that felt right to me in the moment. I didn't stop to consider the Harrison Wells example, but for some reason, two rows feels right for Cassidy. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:25, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Oops, I already merged the cells. Feel free to undo. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

No that's fine. I think it is something we should discussion, and apply to Harrison Wells' row too if the outcome changes. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:53, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

Problems with logical flow of the page

@Favre1fan93: The page has copy problems. Part of the problem is that phrases appear seemingly at random, without Reliable Source. The last sentence of the intro, for example, mentions without context or citation that "Many [of the characters] are named for, or based on, DC Comics characters." First, that statement is unsourced. They may share names with characters from DC Comics, but there's no source that shows whether they were named for those characters. Second, the commas are unnecessary and cumbersome. It's not at all clear if there's a meaningful difference between the two phrases, anyway. Third, it's placed awkwardly in the introduction. Sentences that appear last receive particular emphasis, but it's not at all clear why the connection to DC comics deserves special emphasis. Cutting it out makes the page more coherent. Why do you think this phrase is necessary?

@Spanneraol: I also removed a paragraph that included unsourced literary analysis with no particular relevance to the specific topic of the page. Why do you think an unsourced analysis of the structure of some of the episodes is important to the topic of "List of Arrow characters"?

Todorojo (talk) 22:26, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

In answer to the first question, the characters are clearly named after DC comics characters and it helps to mention that at the head so its not confusing later.. Secondly, almost all of the episodes have the dual narrative structure and it is helpful to explain that some of the characters appear in the flashback sequences and not in the main storyline. It's not really "literary analysis." I would not say these phrases appear "seemingly at random" as you say either. If your issue is you feel these sections should be sourced, that can be provided. Spanneraol (talk) 00:06, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

You still haven't explained why the connection to DC characters requires special emphasis on a page about characters in the TV series. I'll grant that it's relevant, but it's not the focus of the page. Placing special emphasis on the DC origins imposes a particular viewpoint on the characters, and one that draws too much on interpretations by editors and not facts. We'd be better served if the TV show characters were treated on their own and not solely or especially in light of the comics. It seems from other discussions that other editors have felt similarly.

Any literary analysis should be sourced. That includes analysis of plot formula typically used in the show. If the reason it's relevant is because it helps distinguish between characters that appear in flashback and some in the main storyline, we should just explain that some characters are from a flashback storyline and some are from a main storyline. That point is not at all evident right now, which is why I say that paragraph seems out of place. I only have passing familiarity with the show, and I found that paragraph confusing and couldn't see the relevance. Thanks for explaining. We should help out future confused readers and make its relevance clear. Todorojo (talk) 18:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Is Manu Bennett really returning?

According to himself, it doesn't seem so. --Kailash29792 (talk) 11:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

We will know soon enough. Spanneraol (talk) 12:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

He was spotted in Vancouver. [2] They were using a body double for some of his scenes since he was still in Australia filming The Shannara Chronicles. Not sure why he has been denying it on social media. - Brojam (talk) 19:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Promotion of Harkavy and Gonzalez to regulars

@Jack Sebastian: @Favre1fan93: per this announcement Juliana Harkavy (Dinah Drake/Black Canary) and Rick Gonzalez (Rene Ramirez/Wild Dog) have been promoted from recurring to series regulars. --SuperJew (talk) 19:24, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Noted. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:06, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. Carry on. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 01:27, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Main Characters Section

This massive list (9,000+) words needs to be broken down into sections by character. This will produce an index of the characters which will make the article more user-friendly. The way it stands now, this is not the case. As a format for copy editing, it is unsatisfactory. A user who seems to have "claimed" this article reverted my effective, but they say incorrect, efforts to rectify this state of affairs. If anyone knows of a "correct" way to fix this, I hope you will give it a try. The article is tagged as requiring a copy edit, but in its current format, that is a daunting task. Thanks! Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I get what you are saying... it should be possible to edit each character bio separately.. I'm not sure how to do it within the table structure though. Spanneraol (talk) 21:29, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I would suggest that a table structure was not designed for the use it's been put to here? We'll see if anyone can suggest a fix.Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:37, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

List of Fairy Tail characters is an example of how to format an article dealing with dozens of characters in a user-friendly way that makes the article easy to read and copy edit and produces an index which greatly increases the article's value to the encyclopedia. Who wants to tackle the revision?Twofingered Typist (talk) 19:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

Article too detailed?

Was just looking for a consensus as to whether this article is too detailed for a list of characters. There seems to be excessive detail, basically retelling the entire series for each of the main characters. There is already a separate page for Oliver Queen (Arrow), as well as the respective pages for characters based on their comic counterparts. I was wondering if it should be something more akin to List of Stargate SG-1 characters or List of Once Upon a Time characters? The page at present is a lot of text and detail, rather than an overview. I realise it would take a fair bit of editing, and would be happy to do some of it myself, but felt that it was best to gain consensus before attempting it. What do others think? AutumnKing (talk) 07:52, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

There is probably an excessive amount of plot detail in the character descriptions.. Entire page does need copyediting. Spanneraol (talk) 15:14, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I was wondering if there really needed to be a season by season breakdown. Rather, a couple of paragraphs summarizing the character and their experiences?AutumnKing (talk) 17:46, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

They don't need season by season breakdowns, just the large character beats/moments. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:30, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The article frequently deviates from its narrow topic. And not only is the article excessively detailed, but it's also confusing for newcomers. I've never seen the show, and when I came here to copyedit I found myself unable to parse through all the exposition without great effort. A much-abbreviated summary would be nice, or at the very least a bit more hierarchy and structure. I'm happy to pitch in. Todorojo (talk) 21:40, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Split

This page may be too long to read and navigate comfortably, thus should split the content as proposed into sub-articles.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 20:48, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know that we need all of those different articles. Is there really enough to write about Tommy Merlyn to justify giving him his own article? Spanneraol (talk) 21:02, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

There are a number of issues with splitting. The article is only just at the point where WP:SIZESPLIT recommends that an article "probably" should be split. If any single article is split out this article drops below that size and no longer needs to be split. Articles should only be created for characters with demonstrated notability, supported by reliable, secondary sources so that needs to be considered for any split. Regarding the proposed articles, a number of these already exist, either for this series or are totally unrelated, like John Diggle. I have corrected the list accordingly.[3] --AussieLegend (✉) 10:38, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Listing Earth-X characters in Main Characters section

Should the Earth-X versions of characters (e.g. Earth-X Tommy Merlyn/Prometheus) really be listed in the Main Characters section? It says "Main characters", not "Main cast members" and they aren't really main characters.

The same applies for Mei (Shado's twin sister) being listed in the recurring characters section even though she only appeared in two episodes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lobstersalad (talk • contribs) 21:29, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Including actors for younger versions of characters

Since the name of the article is "List of Arrow characters", not "List of Arrow cast members", it only makes sense to include actors who played younger versions of characters in the Main characters section. For example Oliver Queen is a main character, not Stephen Amell, so we should include both actors who played Oliver Queen. Honestly though it would make more sense to rename the article "List of Arrow cast members" and do a "Main cast members" table, since it's cast members who are defined as "main" or "guest" etc, not characters. Lobstersalad (talk) 10:11, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with doing that.. the way you did it was way too busy and the younger versions were not main cast members at all. This way is consistent with how other tv show articles do it. Alternate cast that played younger versions can be mentioned in the prose under the character. Spanneraol (talk) 13:45, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned references in List of Arrow characters

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of Arrow characters's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Drameh":

• From List of The Flash characters: Fitzpatrick, Kevin (September 29, 2015). "New 'Flash' Trailer Drops a Major 'Legends of Tomorrow' Spoiler". Screen Crush. Archived from the original on September 30, 2015. Retrieved September 29, 2015. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From List of Legends of Tomorrow characters: Abrams, Natalie (April 23, 2015). "Edge of Tomorrow star joins the Arrow/Flash spinoff". Entertainment Weekly. Retrieved April 23, 2015.
• From List of Arrowverse cast members: Abrams, Natalie (April 23, 2015). "Edge of Tomorrow star joins the Arrow/Flash spinoff". Entertainment Weekly. Archived from the original on April 25, 2015. Retrieved April 23, 2015. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Reference named "HeatWave":

• From List of Legends of Tomorrow characters: Andreeva, Nellie (March 16, 2015). "Dominic Purcell Joins Arrow/Flash Spinoff". Deadline. Retrieved March 16, 2015.
• From List of Arrowverse cast members: Andreeva, Nellie (March 16, 2015). "Dominic Purcell Joins Arrow/Flash Spinoff". Deadline. Archived from the original on March 18, 2015. Retrieved March 16, 2015. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

Reference named "Sabongui":

• From List of The Flash characters: Ng, Philiana (March 7, 2014). "The CW's 'Flash' Adds Police Captain". The Hollywood Reporter. Archived from the original on March 8, 2014. Retrieved March 7, 2014. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From The Flash (season 4): Damore, Meagan (February 2, 2018). "Arrow's Latest Episode Features Surprise Cameo by Flash Character". Comic Book Resources. Archived from the original on February 5, 2018. Retrieved February 5, 2018. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 07:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Useful source

If anyone wants to add, Q&A with Guggenheim about Holland and her no longer being a main cast member and the reduced episode filming count she had the past two seasons, here. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:31, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress

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Characters and comic names

• Was Isabel Rochev known as Ravager? The overview list mentions it, while List of Arrow characters#Isabel Rochev does not.
• Was Tatsu Yamashiro known as Katana? I don't recall hearing that name and this site says it was only used for concept art/merch.
• How is Ray Palmer's alias called - "The Atom" as written at the overview, or "Atom" as at his entry at List of Arrow characters#Introduced in season three and List of Legends of Tomorrow characters#Ray Palmer / Atom?

--Gonnym (talk) 13:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Kailash29792:, maybe you have any input? --Gonnym (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

According to this source, Ray's alias is "The Atom". But depending on capitalisation, I think it is in a The Beatles-like situation. Also, I don't Isabel Rochev was called "Ravager" onscreen; according to this source, she was named so only in promotional material such as this and the tie-in novel Arrow: Vengeance. --Kailash29792 (talk) 11:35, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Mia Smoak

Just a thought, should we start creating an article for Mia now? I mean, there is a cool picture of Kat as Mia from dcccomics.com that we can use right now.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 18:49, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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