Talk:Leung Chun-ying

More info

There's heaps more at his Official website. Earthlyreason (talk) 16:24, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

pro establishment

how is he pro establishment? hong kong has traditionally been pro british. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.163.7.55 (talk) 14:32, 24 April 2012 (UTC) ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.236.133.95 (talk) 11:12, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Because in Hong Kong, they don't hold democratic elections. That's why they're having the Occupy Hong Kong with Peace and Love movement. The people they vote for must be a puppet of the Chinese Communist Government, hence CY Leung himself did his inaugural speech in Mandarin (the language of Mainland China), and not Cantonese (the language of Hong Kong). 134.148.10.12 (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Move. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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Leung Chun-ying → CY Leung –

Per WP:COMMONNAME. Leung Chun-ying is more commonly known as CY Leung. Leung's official HK Government biography uses "C Y Leung". The BBC, the China Daily, and his own Facebook campaign page use "CY Leung". The New York Times uses "C.Y. Leung", as does the South China Morning Post and CNN. (As Hong Kong uses British English, I think the article title should come without periods, either "CY Leung" or "C Y Leung".) Jiang (talk) 22:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

• Support; looks like the COMMONNAME. Hopefully we can check that all the variations of punctuation and spacing are covered by redirects. bobrayner (talk) 00:43, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

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Family

Do we need names/details of his three children? Probably not, but they are here if required [1].Onanoff (talk) 11:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Where on that article does it mention names of other kids? Currently I can only see one child (Leung Chai-yan) mentioned, who can only be described as an embarrassment to the family 134.148.10.13 (talk) 03:08, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, I can see them there, even if you can't: Chai-yan's younger sister, Leung Chung-yan, and her brother Leung Chuen-yan (who later had his own mini scandal, here. If they are considered a significant aspect of their famous father's public profile, they should be mentioned.
Onanoff (talk) 11:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

CY Leung daughter (Leung Chai-yan) - Erratic behavior (slashing of wrists, bragging using tax payer dollars to buy expensive clothing and jewellery)

Her erratic behavior has included:

• "Will I bleed to death?" pictures of her self harming and slashing her wrists (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1540529/did-cy-daughter-slash-her-wrist-bathtub?page=all)
• Bragging that she used tax payer dollars to buy shoes, dresses, etc (http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/03/hong-kong-leaders-daughter-mocks-protesters-thanks-taxpayers-for-all-her-all-my-beautiful-shoes/)

I'm not sure about Hong Kong, but in Australia, this sort of thing is highly relevant to a public official, with this erratic behavior of his daughter 134.148.71.167 (talk) 11:20, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

prefer not include the slashing wrist case. Seems to be psychological problems of the person. Relevant policy WP:AVOIDVICTIM WP:NPF Prodigyhk (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

It may be useful to ask yourself whether you have an inherent bias towards mental illness, because it is common for Asians to stylize mental illness with evil spirits, and feel shame about. Self-harm is consistent with borderline personality disorder (also known as emotionally unstable personality disorder) and in DSM-5 is classified under the cluster B personality disorder type. With regards to WP:NPF, she is not a non-notable character. She is constanty appearing in media, and this is not incidental to being the daughter of CY Leung, she intentionally goes out of her way to make these extremely controversial postings, to troll the Hong Kong people. With regard to WP:AVOIDVICTIM, once again, I need to emphasize, mental illness does not happen to "victims", it happens to "patients", and is an attribute, not an "evil" 134.148.10.13 (talk) 01:22, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

I do not have any bias against mental illness. It is just that I do not think it is not required for reasons mentioned earlier. I am open to suggestions and comments from other registered regular editors of this page, on whether to include this. Prodigyhk (talk) 14:50, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Asked about the incident, Professor Lee Sing of the Chinese University of Hong Kong’s Department of Psychiatry refused to comment on individual cases. He noted, however, that in general, people who cut their wrists have no intention of killing themselves. There could be a number of reasons, including seeking to attract attention (i.e. Histrionic personality disorder) or if the person is emotionally unstable (i.e. Borderline personality disorder) and can only wind down after seeing blood, Lee said. Professor Paul Yip, director of HKJC Centre for Suicide Research and Prevention, said posting pictures of self-sustained injuries is clearly a call for help. (http://www.ejinsight.com/20140626-cy-leung-sends-happy-picture-from-london-to-dispel-suicide-rumors/) In a study made by the American Psychiatric Association, researchers suggests that non-suicidal self-injury could mean that the person may be experiencing negative feelings or seeks relief through injuring one's self.(http://www.chinatopix.com/articles/3476/20140626/cy-leung-daughter-cuts-wrist-post-pictures-facebook.htm#ixzz3JT0w248m). Consensus is clear 220.237.54.154 (talk) 23:47, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Interesting how CY Leung has now come out storming admitting - finally - that his daughter has some "health problems", had been seeing doctors, and was picked up by an "ambulance", after making allegations against her mother on Facebook that she was a "deranged woman". She stated "My mother just literally pushed me up against a wall slapped me [sic]. I fell, hit my spine against corner of study table". She is 23, not a juvenile. He reports that her "emotions fluctuate", some other sources report bipolar disorder. The girl also alleged that her mother had been "violent" towards her, and said she wold have "jumped" if she'd been on the 20th floor. Also she has previously admitted depression 182.255.99.214 (talk) 06:30, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Corruption questions in Australia ($7m payout)

Fairfax Media has reported that CY Leung received $7m from an Aussie listed company (UGL engineering company) for supporting its Asian business ambitions: http://www.smh.com.au/national/hong-kong-chief-executive-cy-leung-faces-questions-over-secret-7m-payout-from-australian-firm-20141008-1134yv.html Again, I'm not sure about Hong Kong, but in Australia, but former MP Craig Thomson was sentenced to 3 months jail for the HSU fraud where he only misused $24,538 in 65 dishonesty charges. But this is almost $7m we're talking about here.... It's not the sort of thing that goes unnoticed here. It's in ALL the newspapers around Aussie! 134.148.71.167 (talk) 11:24, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

There is now even further evidence that he was paid this $7m on the SAME DAY that another company had trumped one of UGL's offers by $100m. Although they said it was a "better offer", one must seriously question whether this $7m had any "involvement" in this undertaking (http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/secret-7m-payment-to-cy-leung-agreed-to-on-same-day-rival-bidder-trumped-ugl-offer-20141013-115i1u.html) 134.148.10.13 (talk) 03:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

2 of the 3 executives at the London-listed DTZ left the business weeks after CY Leung signed at £4m (HKD $50m) agreement promising to retain the services of UGL. (http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/executives-quit-despite-cy-leungs-secret-multimillion-dollar-deal-20141014-1161vi.html) One must question whether CY Leung acted in the best interest of DTZ, given (1) another bidder exceeded UGL's bid by £90m, (2) he stood to gain £4m if this transaction went through 134.148.10.13 (talk) 00:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Tax avoidance has now also become an issue, as the evidence mounts up (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/09078c72-52d6-11e4-a236-00144feab7de.html#axzz3GDMqtnol) 134.148.72.237 (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

has now been updated Prodigyhk (talk) 08:51, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

NPOV tag

Plau - Notice you have added this tag "NPOV" tag to this article. But, you have not provided any reason in talk page. Request provide your reasons here in Talk Page for discussion Thanks Prodigyhk (talk) 05:37, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Let's start with the fact that the page has been heavily edited by the Chinese Communist Government's PR team, and any dissent against CY Leung is quickly removed. There's very little talk about his daughter's wrist slitting behaviours, the $7m he received so that an offer that trumped UGL's by $100m was not taken, and most recently - his statement "Democratic reforms would disproportionately benefit the poor" (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/hong-kongs-leader-laments-how-democracy-would-help-the-poor/381680/). This greatly contrasts with the clearly Communistic propaganda we can see on his current Wiki page, which states that he is the "Emperor of the working class". What he ACTUALLY said is: "if it’s entirely a numbers game and numeric representation, then obviously you would be talking to half of the people in Hong Kong who earn less than $1,800 a month". So he's making mockery of basically 99% of the working class of Hong Kong, instead saying "you have to take care of all the sectors in Hong Kong as much as you can", becoming a slave to the business elite in Hong Kong 134.148.10.13 (talk) 00:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

been working on this over the last few weeks. Do not find anyone removing dissent. Prodigyhk (talk) 09:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves (2014)

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the pages at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 20:39, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

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• CY Leung → C.-Y. Leung or C. Y. Leung
• CY Leung as Chief Executive of Hong Kong → C.-Y. Leung as Chief Executive of Hong Kong or C. Y. Leung as Chief Executive of Hong Kong

– Correct spelling according to the Manual of Style of Wikipedia (Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Periods (full stops) and spaces, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Initials. Katy Gallaghon (talk) 18:54, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people), which Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Initials cites as exceptions, says "See also section about pen names, stage names, nicknames and cognomens below: prefer what is most common" (emphasis mine). Also, Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Abbreviations#Initials also has an exception for "The person had or has a different preferred style for his or her own name", which is "C Y Leung" as seen in the HKSAR government website [2]. So if we are going to keep the abbreviated form we should use C Y Leung. _dk (talk) 19:24, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Why do you defend "CY Leung" and suggest "C Y Leung" while it should be "C. Y. Leung" or "C.-Y. Leung"? If you disapprove "C.-Y. Leung", would you agree to change the request to "C. Y. Leung"? Katy Gallaghon (talk) 19:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC).

I have explained my reading of the conventions linked above. The government and most sources use "C Y Leung" so that would be my first choice, second would be his full name Leung Chun-ying. "C. Y. Leung" is all right too, if the alternative is including that hideous hyphen. _dk (talk) 20:09, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

not agree' The hyphen does not make sense and should not be used. Regarding the period, most sources including official government release, use the initial "C Y" or "CY" without period". Prodigyhk (talk) 05:14, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

The hyphen make sense in the abbreviation as it is used in the full name (Leung Chun-ying → C.-Y. Leung). But it is true that most sources do not use it. I consequently added "C. Y. Leung" in my request so that it should be a compromise acceptable and satisfactory for everyone. Katy Gallaghon (talk) 07:38, 26 October 2014 (UTC).

"Chun" and "Ying" are separate words that have been used together to form the subjects name "Chun-Ying" which is equivalent to "first name" in western name system. To give this clarity to readers, the hyphen is added when written in English. Prodigyhk (talk) 13:13, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

• Support changing the article title to something different, C. Y. or C.-Y. presumably. This is not a pen name or stage name, so different publications follow whatever style they prefer; we follow one style, which likely is the most widely used in formal writing in English generally speaking, and there is no need to make an exception here. —innotata 18:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
• Oppose - Per WP:Manual_of_Style/Abbreviations#Initials, the subject meets the conditions for initials without period Prodigyhk (talk) 04:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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"Democracy would see poorer people dominate Hong Kong vote"

His statement "Democracy would see poorer people dominate Hong Kong vote" (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1621103/cy-leung-democracy-would-see-poor-people-dominate-hong-kong-vote) directly contradicts the statement in the article, the nickname "Emperor of the working class". He continues with "If it’s entirely a numbers game and numeric representation, then obviously you’d be talking to the half of the people in Hong Kong who earn less than US$1,800 a month [HK$13,964.2]" 134.148.10.13 (talk) 01:26, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

we can include a section with all these foot-in-mouth statements by CY. Prodigyhk (talk) 14:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

"Government intereference in internal affairs" of Hong Kong Uni

This news article (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1714166/hku-told-dig-out-truth-cy-leung-claims) claims that CY Leung vetoed awarding an honorary degree to his 2012 election rival Henry Tang, who in fact is another pro-Beijing stooge. This has become so bad that it has been called the "most savage assault on the city's academic freedom" 182.255.99.214 (talk) 07:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

List of ridiculous remarks

People have already listed "stupid remarks" that CY Leung has made, one person called it "foot in mouth". I think we should include a list of them - or if not on Wikipedia, at least on Wikiquotes or something like that. What are people's thoughts?

• "If it's entirely a numbers game then you would be talking to the people who earn less than $1,800 a month" on the dangers of democracy: it gives the vote to poor people
• "Sheep are widely seen to be mild and gentle animals living peacefully in groups. I hope all people in HK will take inspiration for the sheep's character" On how Hong Kong should stop protesting and be more mild in the Chinese Year of the Sheep. Remember CY Leung is known as "The Wolf", so does he want to slaughter the people of HK?
• "Everyone has the right to the freedom of speech", In his own defence after being accused of bullying a small student magazine.
• "Hong Kong's youth should explore opportunities abroad", A solution to the crippling lack of opportunity for young Hong Kongers at home
• "Sending children [to study] abroad is wrong; I will never do that" CY Leung’s eldest son studied at Cambridge and is now at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden. He has one daughter at LSE and one at Cambridge
• "I believe that my resignation will not solve the problem", Firmly in denial as protests raged around him this year
• "I will never run for the office of chief executive", Six years later, Mr Leung runs a successful campaign for Hong Kong’s chief executive, or mayor.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/11420654/Be-more-like-sheep-Seven-dumb-things-said-by-Hong-Kongs-leader-CY-Leung.html?frame=3203930 182.255.99.214 (talk) 09:08, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

That stuff is more suitable for Wikiquote _dk (talk) 12:18, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

$50m scandal to help his son (Chuen-yan) to gain a position at world's top Medical school

Leung apparently used "Lau Ming-wai" (property tycoon) to donate HK$50m to one of the world's top medical schools (Sweden's Karolinska Institute), his eldest son Chuen-yan shortly after joining the school. The medical school will also set up in Hong Kong its first overseas research base... Coincidence or...? Also it was Reported on SCMP (http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1722344/cy-leung-denies-paving-way-sons-place-top-swedish-medical-university) which is considered a stooge of the Chinese Communist Party anyway (so if they report it, it is considered quite severe) 182.255.99.214 (talk) 13:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 3 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number 57 20:10, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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CY Leung → Leung Chun-ying – Or CY Leung Chun-ying. In 2012, first RM resulted into renaming this article to a current title. Back to present, per WP:DIVIDEDUSE, if both names are commonly used, pick whichever name is used more. "CY" stands for "Chun-ying"; there are no other alternative English names. Wall Street Journal, China Daily, AFP via India Times, The Standard, and IB Times use "Leung Chun-ying". Other sources use "CY Leung" but not as much. --Relisted. George Ho (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2015 (UTC) George Ho (talk) 18:32, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support the use of Leung Chun-ying – This is his actual name, and should be used as such. It is the common name for the subject as found in RS. The use of the "CY" nickname should certainly be mentioned in the leader, but the article title should reflect RS. RGloucester — ☎ 02:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose MOS:IDENTITY and per the 2012 move request. The HK government uses C Y Leung [3]; his own Facebook page [4] uses CY Leung; per the 2012 move request, the BBC, CNN, NY times, SCMP all uses the current spelling or a slight variant of that. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 03:24, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

SCMP uses "Chun-ying" too. So do Bloomberg, Channel NewsAsia, Univ. of British Columbia, and Australian Broadcast Company. --George Ho (talk) 05:49, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

• Support Leung Chun-ying - "Leung Chun-ying" is far more common than "CY Leung", see Google Ngram (CY Leung is too uncommon to be graphed). -Zanhe (talk) 18:18, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
• SupportArticle should be at his proper name, redirects can handle those looking for CY, and lede can be written to indicate that he is often refered to as CY.--KTo288 (talk) 15:17, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
• Support the use of full name instead of abbreviations. Pardelsoud (talk) 06:43, 22 May 2015 (UTC).

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Bag-gate

Why is there nothing here about CY Leung, and Bag-gate? i.e. how he got his daughter Leung Chai-yan special treatment, against international law? And there has been protest from the airline, and complaint to the international authorities??? 182.255.99.214 (talk) 16:24, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

It's under "Personal life", for some reason. _dk (talk) 00:50, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

How is abuse of power considered "personal"??? It's political 182.255.99.214 (talk) 06:38, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

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Actual name of article subject

Users are invited to verify whether this edit has some merit or not.— Vaibhavafro ^💬 12:10, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

It's correct in terms of language. The middle character is not pronounced "Chun" in any language. But if the subject of the article prefers to use a different name in English, that's his freedom and per MOS we should respect that in the article title. The "correct" pronunciations are indicated in the box anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.255.223.3 (talk) 03:33, 2 October 2020 (UTC)