Talk:Leon S. Kennedy/Archive 1

Archive 1

Careful with the reverts guys

I checked out this profile after a long while and It seems there's debate over the mythos section. I'm fine with that...but it seems in a recent revert not only was the trivia section removed, but so was the obligatory catagory table and reference links! (All of which are very relevant sections). Next time someone reverts a previous change, just be careful not to accidentally delete rather vital things like that catagory table. ^^;--68.233.141.149 09:51, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Suplex Problem

I would say to change the German Suplex part of the article. Leon does not perform a German Suplex at all: rather, the suplex he performs is along the lines of either a modified Belly to Belly or (most accurately) the Northern Lights Suplex (which is, in actuality a pinning perdictament suplex that guys like Chris Benoit are noted to use). The German Suplex (which is performed from behind an enemy) does not seem to be in Leon's arsenal: and coming from behind an enemy and performing it only leads to the Northern Lights Suplex- regardless if you do come from behind the enemy. At first, I thought Leon having a German Suplex was true, until performing it many times on enemies made it clear that it wasn't.

Then... why don't we call it just "Suplex"? (Alexlayer 19:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC))

That would easily solve the problem, but you have to understand something: There are many variations of Suplexes that exist in the world of wrestling (both professional and amateur). Using the term "Suplex" by default refers to a standard Vertical Suplex, which may cause confusion for users as obviously Leon does not use a Verical Suplex. I think a good idea would be to use the term "Suplex" but redirect the page to "Northern Lights Suplex" in the case of Leon.

I think we should just call it a Bridging Belly To Belly Suplex. But that's just my opinion L0W3R1D3R | TH3 L0W3D0WN 14:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Mythos

Leon over the years has become one of the Resident Evil series' greatest unexplored mysteries, which has made him an extremely popular character in the series' fandom, perhaps even the most popular male character rivaled only by Albert Wesker. While his introduction as a rookie cop whom just happened to have a perchant for being at the wrong place at the wrong time was humble enough, what caused his real surge in popularity was his role in the background of the series from there on. After Resident Evil 2, like Wesker, Leon seemingly becomes a major player manipulating things from behind the scenes. His information skills allow Chris and Claire Redfield to reunite, and may even have saved both of their lives in Resident Evil: Code Veronica, despite the fact he never appears on screen and is only mentioned. In Resident Evil: Survivor, it is revealed in the end that the main protagonist, Ark Thompson, was actually sent to Sheena Island by Leon on a mission. Who Leon and subordinate Ark work for at this time is unknown although its more than likely the same anti-Umbrella branch of the US Government that Bruce McGivrn worked for in Resident Evil: Dead Aim, or just the US Government in general. Leon's RE4 outfit and Bruce's outfit in Dead Aim are rather similar to boot.

In many stories made around the series, manga, novels etc, Leon's role in the battle against Umbrella is enthusiastically explored in various ways. Indeed, it seems much of the character's charisma has been acumulated with curiousity as to what he had been up to all this time. While not appearing again for a long time, Leon's presense is ever felt. This added mystisism to the character. It was even rumored that Leon had died and was copied by a creature in Resident Evil Gaiden. While this idea was largely unpopular, the lack of any new appearance began to make people wonder.

It was only inevitable at that point, that when his long awaited reappearance as the main character in Resident Evil 4, series fans generally rejoiced as a fan favorite had finally appeared again, and in a whole new storyline with a whole new feel to boot. While he was capable in Resident Evil 2, he felt more vulnerable and out of the situation's control due to his status as a rookie.

However as of Resident Evil 4, armed not only with a very cool intrigue heavy storyline, a very cool new look, and an overall aura of elite skill, confidence, and great potential as well as the acumulation of fan expectations to further fuel his mystique, Leon's presense in his new role is commanding to say the least. Many feel the game may have even been less tense and freightening just because of how Leon is in the game. No longer running behind everyone trying to figure out whats going on, Leon now takes control and seems possibly even the most competent Resident Evil hero. Even the games' main antagonist admits that he underestimated Leon, and is extremely impressed by him; maybe even a little intimidated. This enormous uphill development from underdog to big dog has made Leon even more popular in series fans as well. His enormous popularity will no doubt, ensure a strong presense in the series' future.

Although it hasn't been officially stated, it has been said that at an E3 convention, Shinji Mikami (the series creator) has supposedly admitted that Leon is his favorite character in the series.

I'm tempted to remove this off the article, since it seems more of a character analysis from an author's point of view, with some speculative statements and not really very objective. At the very least, it needs a bit of copyediting, as there's too much spelling errors and such in the section. Jonny2x4 19:33, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Looking at it now I can see that it needed revising. However I think some of it is valid information and it'd be a shame to just remove the whole thing. While it could definitely be shortened to a more shorter paragraph I think the impact a character makes on its general fanbase is valid information...as long as its a wide spread sentiment.--Kiyosuki 00:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree too. I don't know about the accuracy of the information provided, but it sounds somewhat convincing and it would be a shame to remove all that information. Best I can tell, just provide some sources and revise the information properly. Oh, and I do agree with the "Character impact" of Leon part- To a degree, Leon does have a great fan following, and he is overall one of the most popular RE characters in the series.

Fix It

Then fix the copyediting and spelling errors. I see no reason to get rid of it. It's very good info.

It's just no the copyedit errors. It's the fact that it's mostly unconfirmed info with no proof (Mikami stated Leon is his favorite character) , completely subjective statements (Leon is the second most popular male character next to Wesker) and unadulterated speculation (he may have joined the same Anti-Umbrella branch with Bruce). Also, you seem to imply that the novelizations and such are canonical, even though that's not the case at all. I actually think it's well-written despite its flaws, I'm just not sure if it's appropiate from an encyclopedic context, since it seems more of an editorial. Jonny2x4 03:05, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

(Leon is the second most popular male character next to Wesker) It would make sense if it said Leon is the second most popular male character next to Chris Redfield. Has Wesker even been playable in any of the games apart from the Mercenaries Mode in RE4? (just asking out of curiousity)

It doesn't matter whenever the character is playable or not, because somehow Wesker has managed to become really popular among RE fans (Althought not my case), and after RE4, Leon's popularity has growed to the point that it matches Wesker's. However, it seems like Jill is even more popular than these two.

It does seem rather biased. I've personally never thought much of Leon as a character, and I was quite certain that Wesker and/or Chris were much more popular amongst fans of the series. My opinion regarding Leon hasn't changed much, since I didn't really care for Resident Evil 4, so it would be good to see some references to prove that some of these statements that seem very speculative can be proven accurate and not as regular fan-praise. Gamer Junkie 19:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Leon in Code:Veronica

According to the original plan for Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Leon was originally planned to have a major role in the plot and eventually meet his doom. This was later scrapped however for unknown reasons. Leon's popularity among the fans, as well as supposedly many of the people who work on the games could be the culprit.

Source? I have the Resident Evil Archives, as well as the Biohazard Archives, but neither of them seems to support this. Unless one can provide a verifiable source, I'm deleting this. Jonny2x4 17:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't think Capcom would kill off a character who had a major role in the series. Also, I don't think Capcom ever mentioned this during the production of Code Veronica.

I'll have to dig up a source for you, but this one is very much true and well known to diehard RE fans. Originally Leon was in the game and died at the end, but Leon proved so popular with the fans that he was replaced by a new character named Steve; that's why those characters were virtually identical. Parjay 18:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Provided with a verifiable source that states Steve was meant to be Leon and I'll keep it. Otherwise, this seems to be more of an urban myth that is being passed off as fact among fans. Jonny2x4 04:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No you can trust me, it's fact. Mikami stated it in an interview when talking about Biohazard 4 and Leon. He said that he quickly changed their minds as Leon proved popular in Japan, and instead created the character Steve. Originally Claire and Leon where slated to fall in love with Leon "dying" like Steve does at the end. I'll post up the interview once I get it from my RE files. Parjay 10:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

True, I also recall this. Gamer Junkie 11:52, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

if you find a source, should this be mentioned on the code veronica article?--Greenday21 (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Problem with line in Character Analysis

This enormous uphill development from underdog to big dog has made Leon even more popular to series fans as well. His enormous popularity will no doubt, ensure a strong presence in the series' future.

This is most unlikely to be true, seeing as RE4 was never meant to be anything other than a side story. In Interviews held with Jun Takeuchi (Producer of Resident Evil 5) he confirmed this: Takeuchi confirmed that that RE5 will be an authentic sequel to the series' main plot rather than a side story (as Resident Evil 4 was), and the developers are considering some kind of a conclusion to the franchise's storyline. The second part of this statement shows that the series is ending, and if it ends with RE5, prospects for Leon making a triumphant return are miniscule.

Just a thought.

Chris_Redfield 09:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Correction time. Takeuchi NEVER said that RE4 was a side-story. It's clearly meant to be a game in the main storyline, especially considering who the director was in that installment. When Takeuchi commented that RE5 won't be a gaiden, he meant games like Gun Survivor and Outbreak that don't feature any characters from the main series (outside of second stringers like Marvin or Nicholai). I consider RE4 to be about as legit of sequel to the series as RE3 (which was even more of a side-story than RE4) and RECV (especially considering "The Orginization's" involvement in the plot). Jonny2x4 04:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Is Gaiden canon or not?

This line at the beginning of the article: A couple of years later, in Resident Evil Gaiden, Leon is a member of an underground anti-Umbrella organization.

Yet the article on Gaiden the game says it isn't canon. Who has officially decided if Gaiden is canon or not?

No one knows. But as the green blood ending has yet to be explained even though Leon's appeared in another game since then, the assumption can be made to a reasonable degree that it was a non-canon event. However, we can't be sure unless Capcom says one way or the other, so keeping the article included as is (it already has a mention of it possibly being connected to the rest of the RE timeline) is the best we can do. RPH 06:11, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't quite say so. Unless whoever plays Resident Evil 4 is the MASTER of dodging attacks, you will quickly notice that his blood is red. Crisco 1492 22:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

{{General CVG character}}

This article is currently a testbed for a unified computer/video game character infobox, {{General CVG character}}. It uses a series-specific subbox, {{Resident Evil characterbox}}.

Input on this infobox would be appreciated; note that the addition of things that would be obvious to readers unfamiliar with Resident Evil (such as what series is involved and the series' creator) is intentional. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:39, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Leon's reason for joining the Government.

In one of the endings in Resident Evil 3: Nemesis, it's hinted that one of the only reasons Leon joined the U.S. Government was to protect Sherry Birkin. Should that be included in the bio? Banjotooie142 18:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

While poorly written, that detail is included.

"In December of 1998, after the incident, Claire sets out to Europe to continue her search for Chris, while Leon remains in the U.S. He makes an undisclosed deal with the U.S. Government for Sherry's safety and, after that, joined an anti-Umbrella task force, participating in numerous classified missions until Umbrella's operations were shut down by the government."

RPH 01:53, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

in regard to leon' pants in RE4

I'm wondering if anyone else thinks the same that Leon is wearing a pair of Dickies work pants in Resident Evil 4. Just based on the general look and overall design of his pants points towards Dickies. If anyone has seen a pair of Dickies work pants you'll notice the same look and the reinforced knee. I just thought it may be an interesting bit to add to the wardrobe section. Joe Zombie 02:59, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

i dont think there is a point to adding that.--Greenday21 (talk) 14:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Contradicting Resident Evil 2 Recap

Hello, I was just reading over the introduction, and the RE2 recap (directly below it). There is a very obvious contradiction in which the intro to the character states he was late due to a relationship problem with his girlfriend, whereas the recap of the events of RE2 indicates he overslept. Even though this is fiction, I do not know which is being considered cannon, if any so I will leave it up to whoever knows better to correct it, but I just thought I'd let you know.

Thank You for your hard work

Apparently, he drank too much after breaking up with his girlfriend and THEN overslept. This is, ofcourse, with the entire city falling into absolute chaos and his fellow R.P.D. officers dropping dead left, right and center. Stupid backstory in my opinion. Should've been that he was allowed through the barracade as a law-enforcement offical to help contain the situation. They allowed military units through, I don't see why they wouldn't have allowed an elite S.P.F. officer through as well to rendezvous with the rest of his colleagues. Oh well, you've got your answer, anyway. Gamer Junkie 06:42, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

barricade? why leon overslept?

I'm going to have to say that anything doing with this so called barricade seems erroneous to me. This due to the fact that by the time he reached Raccoon City it was beyond the time which there was a barricade.. Leon comes into the game completely oblivious to what's going on in the city... What it comes down to is that Leon didn't even live in Raccoon City essentially. However I believe that perhaps leon might have lived on the outskirts of raccoon (close enough to be within the barricade but far away to not have any realization of what's happening in raccoon city). Perhaps in a Trailer court down the freeway and up a dirt road from raccoon city. Hehehehehe This would easily explain the backstory as to why he was both drunk and broke up with his girlfriend. I mean it totally makes sense... think about it like this... Leon lives in trailer court and his girlfriend lives with him see? well one night Leon and his girlfriend, who we shall refer to as Darlene X get drunk... continuing on he starts to put his mac down on Darlene X and then when he asks if they can go without a condom that night Darlene X gets angry and then breaks up with him. Or else Darlene X was cheating on Leon with some other trailer court resident, I don't know. I mean the getting drunk part could easily explain why Leon didn't know what the hell was going on. It could be Darlene X broke up with him right before the outbreak happened and while there were news reports etc leon was naked, passed out in a bean bag chair in his room, surrounded by piles of empty beer cans and empty whiskey bottles... Joe Zombie 07:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Pretty funny :P

Ender_Wiiggin 01:30, 13 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

Character Analysis

This section sounds entirely based on the observations and opinions on one or a few editors. It could easily be considered original research. Not much of the info can actually be verified as fact. I tagged it 199.126.137.209 23:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, this is a part of the official Resident Evil archives plotline, so check it out before tagging. Too late now, I guess. Gamer Junkie 08:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Ex-Girlfriend

Where did the idea of Leon breaking up with an ex-girlfriend come from? I can't remember that being mentioned in any of the games.

128.226.220.112 18:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Specifically, if it's only fan speculation or something from the novels, it needs to be removed or credited as such.

128.226.220.112 18:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Next time read a few more lines of the article and you'll see that it's sourced there. Parjay 19:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. Interesting place to put the citation, though.

128.226.220.112 06:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Height Problems

I cant quite remember where I read it, but it says that Leon is actually 5foot 7. That would mean that Leon is small and maybe some actions cant be done because of this problem

What sort of actions would these be? I think the average height of Japanese men is between about 5'5" and 5'10", so this would probably be the only reason the Japanese developers made Leon this height, too. Probably expected it to be about the same everywhere. Gamer Junkie 01:18, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

According to 'The Resident Evil Archives' published by Capcom, Leon is 178cm or about 5 foot and ten inches tall (I think that conversion is right). Paper Butterfly (talk) 09:44, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

No, it's about 5'8". Therequiembellishere (talk) 05:35, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

No, you are the one converting it wrong. It's actually 5 feet and 10 inches, like Butterfly said. 2.54cm is 1 inch, so 178 dvided by 2.54 = 70.08 inches, or 5 feet and 10 inches. Which is definitely not short... 86.183.201.178 (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Lower Intellectual Capability?

Is there any in-game reference to Leon being dim-witted? It is a popular thing with fans, especially those who watch ShadowLeggy's Resident Evil YouTube videos. Crisco 1492 23:02, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Paper Butterfly (talk) 09:38, 24 November 2007 (UTC)No, not as far as I know. In Resident Evil 4 Ada Wong (in her report) even calls Leon a 'genius' and says that 'he has smarts and knows how to use them'. He does seem out of his depth in Resident Evil 2 but that's just personal interpretation. The whole 'Leon being slow' thing can be seen as running joke in the fandom rather than as canon.

Leon's relationship with Ada Wong

I was wondering- should there be a section about Leon's history with Ada Wong. She appears with him during both Resident Evils 2 and 4, and according to certain in-game quotes and official sources (such as Capcom's 'Resident Evil Archives') they have romantic (or at least tender) feelings for each other. They even kiss during the LeonB ending of Resident Evil 2. I don't mean that anything 'shippery' should be included (god forbid!!), just that Leon's relationship with Ada is quite a significant part of his history/characterisation. Paper Butterfly (talk) 10:02, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Problem with the bad guy of Resident Evil 2

Is it just me or did the article described in the HISTORY part about leon, say the bad guy of Resident evil 2 was the Tyrant? from my understanding...its the scientist William...who's all mutated after injecting himself with the g-virus. i think it should be changed. Even the videogame calls him William after he's mutated. 72.198.93.83 (talk)OCTOBER —Preceding comment was added at 01:35, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

In-Universe

I'd like to rewrite sections of the article to address the "In-Universe" issue over the next few days (more like when real life permits). Comments, help, suggestions are extremely welcome. Also, I'd like to add a "Reception" section as most GA for games/characters have one. However, I'm really stuck with verifiable material. If anyone has a good quote/material/source that I could use, that'll really be a big help or alternatively, they could write the section themselves. --Diorelli (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Secret Agent

I'm pretty sure the box and the manual said "US secret agent". I'm in the office right now but I'll scan it later. For the meantine here is the script:

LEON (thinking): I received special training via a secret organization working under the direct control of the President. I was to assume the responsibility of protecting the new President's family.

http://uk.faqs.ign.com/articles/674/674283p1.html

Anyway, if we equate that in real life, aren't the Secret Service tasked to protect the president, his family and other dignitaries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Diorelli (talk • contribs) 16:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The box and manual say 'government agent' and 'agent for the US government' but not 'secret agent'. It's hardly a 'secret' that he's a government agent when he's running around shooting people and asking for the return of the President's daughter. Not exactly the best undercover disguise I can think of, anyway. Geoff B (talk) 16:37, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't think he needed to do undercover as he didn't need to spy and gather information. His mission was just to look for and rescue Ashley. His superiors didn't seem to care that he had to annihilate a village and a whole island to do so. Anyway, you're right, the box and manual doesn't say it outright. Still, the fact that he says he is an agent for a secret organization makes him a "secret agent."--Diorelli (talk) 19:25, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Leon Kennedy voice actor

You need to list his voice actors.96.227.181.178 (talk) 21:34, 18 January 2008 (UTC)68.81.252.24

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Sweeping changes

The sweeping changes, though may be entirely correct in doing so, removes the majority of the article from existence. Please talk about these changes among the other major contributors of the article and come to a consensus. Please carefully look over WP:NOT and that encyclopedia's are not limited on detail of the information provided, but should be exempt from jargon. Mkdw^talk 09:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I was just about to bring this here myself. Of course I agree that this article needs a lot of work, but I'm pretty sure blanking 70% of it is not the best way to go about it. We need to take a good look at the article, and filter out any useful information. Whatever useful is in there probably needs to be rewritten, because the style of the entire article is rather un-encyclopedic and in-universe. Sources are always a problem in these type of articles, but this one has none at the moment, which I'm sure is unnecessary for a character from such a high-profile game. I have precious little time for article writing at the moment, but I'll at least try to properly source the article in the next week or so. I welcome any help on actually rewriting the article.--Atlan (talk) 11:21, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The article was reverted here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leon_S._Kennedy&diff=192862640&oldid=192715126 to a very old version indeed, I haven't seen the page like that for a year or more, IIRC. The additions are trivial, redundant reiteration of plot sections and original research. They have no place in this article, and I'd quite like to hear from the anonymous IP why they were brought back, when they were rightly removed from the article. You have to go back to here http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leon_S._Kennedy&diff=193895270&oldid=103569518 or roundabouts before it looks similar to that uncalled-for reversion.Geoff B (talk) 09:52, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Quite right, I hadn't noticed it was single user who added reverted to such an old version (and in the process removed what little refs there are). Although now, the article is pretty bare-bones and unsightly, with those 2 disproportionately large images.--Atlan (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Stop shooting me down please

How on earth am I supposed to be restricted to these extremely strict, black and white rules when we're talking about a video game character, a fictional entity, with no history books written about him and very little official information provided about his character from the people that make the Resident Evil games? If I want to say that he wears dark trousers and a tan jacket and has parted blond hair, do you really want me to provide an external link for that? Are you really going to be that strict about a page that probably gets looked at 40 times per year? What's wrong with adding the maximum amount of detail to a page about a fictional video game character? It's not like I'm vandalizing it or filling it with misinformation. I'm quite annoyed at the constant deletion of what I consider to be very well-written and interesting information about Leon Kennedy. Also, I was warned about the "three-revert rule." Well, why doesn't that also apply to the guy who has been undoing the information that I've added? Why is he automatically right and I'm automatically wrong? Should HE be warned for deleting what I've added three times, and providing the most flimsy rationale for it? "Crystal Ball?" "External sources?" Are you kidding me? For a video game character who has almost no official backstory? All I want to do is outline his various skills and the weapons he uses, and what he looks like and acts like IN THE GAME. Do you want me to record myself playing the entire Resident Evil 4 game and then upload the video and link to that for the "external source?" Come ON, guys. These aren't amendments to the Constitution here. 98.223.201.57 (talk) 12:18, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with adding things to the page, but keep in mind that this article is not a collection of every tidbit of information about Leon S. Kennedy. If you need something along those lines, check out http://residentevil.wikia.com. Wikipedia, however, has guidelines that are intended to make sure that the information on the pages are verifiable. You're free to describe what he like, does, and can do, but you need to provide a source from the game itself. Otherwise, what's stopping people from adding completely unwarranted speculation? For example, what if I decided to add: "Leon has bad luck with women", to the article? Can you say for sure this is not true, or that it IS true? However, sticking to the rules about sourcing and verifiability, we can keep blanket statements like that out of the article. Also, from what I can tell, almost everything that was just reverted from the article was mostly speculation, guesswork, and personal opinion. That sort of stuff needs to kept away from any encyclopedia article as much as posible. King Zeal (talk) 13:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

You are not supposed to be restricted by Wikipedia's rules. Like every single other editor, you are restricted by them. Your additions are variously POV, original research, totally unsourced, trivial and redundant. That's why they were removed. Geoff B (talk) 13:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, how on earth am I supposed to "source" things like Leon's hair color, clothing, and equipment in the game?! Provide a link to an in-game screenshot of him wearing the outfits or using the weapons that I talked about? Is that what you want me to do? It's not like there's some kind of Resident Evil Bible that I can use as an official citation. All you need to do is LOOK at the picture of Leon on his Wikipedia page to know that he does in fact wear dark trousers and a tan jacket. As for being "trivial," well, he's a fictional character, so technically everything about him is trivial. I think you ought to cut me a little slack here. If there's something that you don't like about what I've written, you should edit out those specific things instead of just deleting everything wholesale! At the very least, tell me what I need to specifically do in order for my writing to not get deleted again. I think it's fairly well-written and reasonable - what citations or evidence of research would you like me to provide? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.223.201.57 (talk) 13:24, 5 May 2008 (UTC) 98.223.201.57 (talk) 13:28, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I shall provide some examples.

The Appearance section is just trivia and redundant thanks to images. It also contains POV - he bears a close resemblance to actor James Spader.

Personality - In both games featuring Leon as a protagonist, his attitude is uniformly cocky, arrogant, and lacking in much empathy or kindness towards others, even his allies.- POV, OR. This is basically just what you think, and your views are not notable. If you quote a reviewer saying this, that's fine. You saying it, is not.

Skills - Later on in the same game, he makes use of a riot shotgun with a pistol grip, probably a Benelli M4, and a Heckler and Koch SL8 semi-automatic scoped rifle. He is also quite proficient with hand grenades, not only of the fragmentation kind but also incendiaries and "flashbangs." - Again, original research, as you have no way of knowing if those are the actual weapons seeing as their make and model numbers are not given in RE4, you're just looking at real world weapons similar to those in the game and saying "Yes, that's that one."

Leon's most notable skill, however, is not his aptitude with firearms but his knowledge of botany. Through means which are never explained, he acquired a vast knowledge of medicinal herbs, - Again, POV and OR. Where is it said that Leon has a knowledge of botany? Got a source?

Another odd, but useful, arrow in Leon's quiver of skills is his remarkable interest in jewelry-making. - Source?

This, however, is my favourite bit: Leon's physical strength is also unusually well-developed. He is capable of carrying, on his person, not only several pistols, a shotgun, and a rifle, but also multiple types of grenades and thousands of rounds of ammunition, plus literally thousands upon thousands of gold coins, solid bars of gold, precious gemstones, and even artifacts such as jeweled goblets and sculptures. How he acquired the strength to carry all this can only be speculated on. - The answer to this, as if you didn't already know, is that it's a game, not reality. Unless you find sources, none of this is going in the article. That's it, basically. It's not well-written, it has gaping logic errors, it's unsourced, it's POV, and big chunks of it are trivia. Geoff B (talk) 13:36, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It happens to be very well-written (maybe because I am a professional writer, and besides my freelance journalism have also written several dozen short stories and one novel currently in progress.) You can fault me for my failure to comply with your rules, but I don't believe you have any leg to stand on if you're going to claim that it's not well-written. Also, it doesn't have gaping logic errors. Unsourced, and POV, and trivial, maybe, but there are no logical errors that I can think of. In any case, you win. Go smoke a cigar, enjoy a glass of Scotch and congratulate yourself on a job well done. Hell, if you give me your address, I'll even send you over five white stallions, each wearing jewel-encrusted bridles embossed with your family crest (if you'd be so kind as to send me an image of it.) I figure such a gift would only be appropriate for the valiant and tireless guardian of Leon S. Kennedy's reputation which you so clearly have demonstrated yourself to be. (I hope you have the stable space and the feed to keep those stallions happy.) If you don't, I'll commission a golden goblet rimmed with emeralds and rubies, with "Geoff B - lord of all that is right and true" engraved in it in calligraphic script. I'm calling up my local artisan right now. 98.223.201.57 (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Touched a nerve there. If you are confident about your writing ability, you wouldn't have to brag about it. As much as I love a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent, I think this is concluded, since you have no sources. Carry on making personal remarks all you like, but they're not my rules, they're Wikipedia's. We all have to abide by them. Best of luck in your future editing efforts. Geoff B (talk) 14:15, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Braggadocio, supreme confidence, arrogance and a gigantic ego are the time-honored badges of the real writer. A writer is a machine fueled by alcohol and easy women, and driven by anger, disgust, and condescension. And of course, an editor is the mortal enemy of any true writer, as opposed to a hack. This statement is self-defeating and pompous, but if I didn't say it, I wouldn't be a real writer. 98.223.201.57 (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Resident Evil 4 Set In Spain

If you have any sources showing RE4 is set in Spain, please provide, KojiDude, or you are just adding speculation to wikipedia, which I will remove. 80.5.143.72 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Resources? How-about simple clues in the game? Or other games. Claire Redfield in Resident Evil Code Veronica X, thought of the possibility to contact Leon in Europe. Or in the beginning of RE4 when Leon is being escorted to the village, when he clearly mentions he's in Europe. "It was right before I was to take on my duty in protecting the Presidents daughter when she was abducted, that's the ultimate reason I'm in this lonely and rural part of Europe." As stated by Leon when the officer went to take a poddy break. So we decided it was Europe, so what country? Well suggesting that Policia means "Police" in both Portuguese and Spanish. And considering all of the other Spanish words, Las Plagas which means "pests" Pests in Portuguese is Pragas. So it's in Europe, and the language is Spanish. Am I correct. How many Spanish speaking countries do you know of? In Europe at least? Spain is the only one, am I correct? Portugal used to speak Spanish, but not any more. They got their own language. Need more proof, let's go over words the enemies say.

¡Ahí está! There he is! ¡Os voy a romper a pedazos! I'm gonna tear you to pieces! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Inoda411onsuchgames (talk • contribs) 23:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

So you don't have any reliable sources, then. Geoff B (talk) 23:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Leon's carry case

You know the case he carries at the base of his back, anyone have any idea what that's called? It just seems incredibly useful and would like to know. Murakumo-Elite (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

What, in RE4? It's an attaché case.86.44.206.166 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC).

Resident Evil:Operation Raccoon City

Already been confirmed he's in it.

[[1]] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronnie42 (talk • contribs) 16:50, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Some IGN stuff

• http://uk.stars.ign.com/articles/972/972704p2.html
• http://uk.stars.ign.com/articles/102/1029134p2.html
• http://uk.stars.ign.com/articles/953/953106p3.html
• http://uk.stars.ign.com/articles/922/922968p10.html

--94.246.154.130 (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

RE Wikia link

I think the link to the RE Wikia article (http://residentevil.wikia.com/Leon_S._Kennedy) should be restored because it provides a useful resource at a level of detail that is outside the scope of Wikipedia. --Odie5533 (talk) 21:52, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Disagree - issues with reliability/neutrality and with copyright, not a good resource for us to be promoting. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:50, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

What evidence do you have that supports your claim that these issues exist? --Odie5533 (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

The site you linked above, that article's history, the images linked in that article (only a couple of which even mention that they're copyrighted), and awareness of open wikis and their limitations as interpreted by our policies. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:22, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

You're aware that in practically all of the references used here no one ever cares to "mention that they're copyrighted", and some (like IGN, or MobyGames which is used in thousands of external links) even stamp their own watermarks into them, right? --Niemti (talk) 01:26, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

To my knowledge none of those sources claim that their content is "free unless otherwise indicated", correct? And while you could certainly dispute over watermarks, they don't seem to be using such images in a derivative or decorative way. Besides, rules for linking to RS are slightly different than for plain ELs, and the link being discussed here is not an RS. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

And what other way are they using them, according to you? MobyGames is "plain ELs", of course (and it's all fine, and no one ever sued them to my best knowledge - and neither anyone sued Wikia, am I right?). --Niemti (talk) 02:55, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Not all of the images give exhaustive or explicit details on their copyright. Most sites don't give exhaustive and explicit details about every image's copyright. Wikia does not claim their content is "free unless otherwise indicated", and in fact, everything on there is free to read provided you have a web browser. What specific problem is there with the copyright of the RE wiki? I do not see any. --Odie5533 (talk) 02:59, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Wikia absolutely does claim that: "Content is available under CC-BY-SA", with exceptions for images explicitly noted to have restrictions. As I've already said, most other sites do not have such licensing. You're also not addressing the other concerns noted. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Where is exception for images bit? I am not seeing it. Most of the content on the Wikia site is licensed under the CC-BY-SA license, but not all. All of it is copyrighted. I don't see how that is a problem. I am not addressing the other concerns because you've provided no evidence for me to address. --Odie5533 (talk) 03:25, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• It's in the licensing agreement. Sure, all of it is copyrighted in the same way all of Wikipedia is copyrighted - meaning most of it is free to use, including some parts that aren't supposed to be. As to the other issues: most of the article is unsourced, it's written by unknown individuals, it barely has any policy about sourcing and AFAICT nothing about neutrality or due weight at all...Any comments before I go on? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Where is the RE Wikia claiming copyrighted works which they have no license to are "free to use"? The article is implicitly sourced to the video games. External links do not all need explicit policies on neutrality. --Odie5533 (talk) 03:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Take a look at this page, for example: this is either a copyrighted or a derivative image, yet it includes no information on copyright and the page still uses the blanket "Content is available under CC-BY-SA" notice. Implicitly sourced to the video games? Which video game says "Leon burns with the strong desire to protect and serve", for example? For that matter, since the character appears in multiple games, how do we know which game sources which material, even for material much more factual than that statement? External links do not need explicit policies on neutrality, but they do need some indications of quality, and this site has few to none. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• It's not a blanket notice, it's a general notice that applies to most of the content on the site. If you click CC-BY-SA, it brings you to the actual license information. On that page it says "Non-text media on Wikia should not be assumed to be available under the same license as the text. Please view the media description page for details about the license of any specific media file." When you stumble onto random images on the internet, we assume they are copyrighted and we are granted no license to use, reuse, distribute, or modify them, only to view them or use them under fair use terms. This too applies to images on Wikia. I hope this clears up the copyright issue. In regards to the sourcing, we can't always tell which game was used as a source. Most websites don't give explicit and exhaustive footnotes. I still believe the link is useful, even more so than when I started this conversation, and they do have indicators of quality as shown by their work, their list of policies, and their administrative oversight. --Odie5533 (talk) 13:58, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• Nope, copyright issue still present because a) if you look at the media description page I linked, or many of the other images in the article, no licensing details are provided, b) my concern is not whether we are free to reuse the images, but whether Wikia is contravening copyright by doing so, and c) the way in which they are using the images does not fall under fair use, because they include derivative works and decorative images not covered under the typical provisions of fair use. Your point about sourcing is misguided: most sites have a named author, or an identified editorial staff, from which we judge reliability; it is only because a wiki does not that it has a greater need for citations. I've looked at their list of policies, and I can't say I share your confidence in their quality. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:47, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

• I'm glad at least you've realized the site isn't purporting all the images are CC-BY-SA. As a free and educational fansite, they present a strong case for fair use. I find it sufficient that the information is sourced to the video games, and I find the quality of the articles sufficient. --Odie5533 (talk) 16:00, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

There has to be something better then wikia.com to link to - the site fails most of our policies on external links let alone any credibility as a source. Pls tell me these non editorial wiki links are not spammed all over this topic! If so - Think we need to bring this to Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard if the site is used all over. We should see what others think because I personal think its already covered by WP:VG/EL (perhaps should be specifically named).Moxy (talk) 19:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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