Talk:Lennart Bernadotte

Confusion re: grandson

His descendants were recently changed so that the last section reads like this:

• Diana Grevinnan Bernadotte af Wisborg (b. Mainau, 18 April 1982), married in Mainau on 27 September 2003 and separated in 2007 Bernd Grawe (b. 1966), and had one daughter (and one son from an unknown relationship):
  • Paulina Marie Grawe (b. 13 February 2004)
  • Eric Hagen Lennart Greve Bernadotte af Wisborg (b. 17 August 2010)

What does this mean? Who had a son in an "unknown relationship"? Is a "son from an unknown relationship" (unsourced claim) still "Greve Bernadotte af Wisborg" = Count Bernadotte? How could that be? Who made him a Count, since he couldn't have inherited the title? I will be removing this whole section very soon unless this is clarified and sourced. The article isn't supposed to be a roster of Lennart Bernadotte's complete descendants anyway. SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:46, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

PS: Is this supposed to be the source for these claims (from edit summary)? SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

PS 2: It is also inappropriate that the very confusing Count and Countess titles (per whom?) are given in Swedish, in an English article about Germans who originally had titles from Luxemburg. SergeWoodzing (talk) 02:56, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

In converting all that into tables, I think I found out what happened. For Carl Johan, all six marriages were listed first, and then the progeny (issue) of all the marriages together. I think I've sorted it out correctly, but I'd certainly appreciate someone double-checking my work. Also there are some gaps, e.g. is Toro in Italy or Spain (presuming it's not one of the half dozen Toros outside Europe)? Where is Scherzingen? And whom did Christian Wolfgang marry this year? What did Germany (which I've deleted) before Konstanz (Constance) mean? I presume all the Konstanz/Constance refer to the town in Switzerland, but I could be wrong. Also I wouldn't mind someone reviewing my assignments of other countries to the names of cities.

After all that work, the results are indeed rather dull: no one had a place in the Swedish royal succession (or even a Swedish noble title), and most of them seem to have been born, married and died in Switzerland. Is there something interesting in all this (apart from The Six Wives of Carl Johan)? —— Shakescene (talk) 07:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Frankly, no, in my opinion. And not even the fact that a Luxemburg Count living in Switzerland had 6 wives is very interesting in my opinion. What is interesting (as totally inappropriate) is that the titles are given in Swedish in an article for English WP. I highly appreciate your good work, but the extensive presentation of all these descendants is still irrelevant to Lennart's bio, in my opinion, and hardly of encyclopedic interest either. Smacks of WP:Coatrack on behalf of irrelevant people, if you ask me. It should all be trimmed doen to a sentence or two. And then somebody with more expertise than mine should write much more about his great reputation and career as a master gardener. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I have a vested interest, having put all that work into making the table comprehensible when I should have been composing something more pressing outside Wikipedia, but Lennart was high in the royal succession at one point, just like the Duke of Windsor, so this information should be accessible somewhere besides WikiSwedia. But I'd have no objection into spinning this off into a separate list on the lines of Grandchildren of Victoria and Albert, and just listing Lennart's children in the biographical article. And the question that is unaddressed here (but must have overwhelmed the talk of Stockholm in 1932) is why couldn't Lennart receive the King's consent to his marriage, and having failed to obtain it, why did he renounce his royal and noble status? Uninformed people like me might have two questions that this article doesn't answer: what relation are these Bernadottes to Count Folke Bernadotte, the UN diplomat assassinated in Palestine, and how are they related to Carl Johan Bernadotte, the last living great-grandchild of Queen Victoria?—— Shakescene (talk) 19:59, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've done both: compressed the table in this biography and created Grandchildren of Lennart Bernadotte with birthplaces, names, etc. —— Shakescene (talk) 22:34, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Good work and good questions in your previous entry. They are addressed somewhat in the article about the Wisborg counts (link in first line of this article). I will now have bit of a closer a look at this article and see what I can fix. Some of the unsubstantiated titles have got to go. SergeWoodzing (talk) 12:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:NOT says "Genealogical entries. Biography articles should only be for people with some sort of fame, achievement, or perhaps notoriety. One measure of these is whether someone has been featured in several external sources (on or off-line)." Dougweller (talk) 11:49, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

WP does not predict

The marriage of a son that is scheduled to take place next year has already been added to this article. According to WP:Crystal ball that is not to be done. I am cordiallly asking the editor who reverses this to stop it. SergeWoodzing (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Ok, no problem, I will stop. Should I revert this edit too? Greets, Trijnstel (talk) 17:28, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I am not familiar with that issue. If you just respect the removal of that marriage next year; I'm Ok with this. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:47, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Sly name-dropping?

Bernadotte's wives names and amount of his offspring should be mentioned in the article text. The whole section on "Marriages and issue" looks to me like a poor excuse to name-drop a large amount of totally non-encyclopedic people who shouldn't be mentioned anywhere at all, but whom anyone who wants to know about his wives will see. Can someone please redo this? - I don't know how. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

 DoneTried to fix this myself, hoping I didn't screw things up. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 19:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 5 February 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Moved per uncontested request below, that is supported by a complete discussion over at Marianne Bernadotte which also resulted in a move. (non-admin closure) Tiggerjay (talk) 07:56, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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Count Lennart Bernadotte of Wisborg → Lennart Bernadotte – See recent moves for Sigvard Bernadotte and Marianne Bernadotte! Titles are identical. There is no such legitimate name as "Bernadotte of Wisborg". SergeWoodzing (talk) 23:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Rolled back removal of referenced facts

I rolled bach edits where well-referenced facts about his titles had been removed without dicsussion. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Please see Talk:Prince Bernadotte. /Elzo 90 (talk) 14:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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