Talk:Leipzig/Archive 1

Largest railway station?

The new article on the Berlin Hauptbahnhof says it is "the largest passenger rail transportation hub in Europe." The Leipzig article says that Leipzig's railroad station is "now the largest passenger train station in Europe." Has the Berlin station taken the title of "largest station" away from Leipzig? How is the largest station measured, anyway? I'm not going to jump in and make a change, but figured I should point out the issue. GMcGath 19:27, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

According to de:Kopfbahnhof, Leipzig has the largest terminal station (by area) in Europe, and the largest in Germany. I will change this in this article; I am not certain how to measure this. Kusma (討論) 19:34, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I heard, the space in between 1st an last track is the measure, not the number of tracks or something else... It means, if you're walking from track 1 to last you'll need the longest time in Leipzig (air-line distance). --Swyveretas (talk) 15:37, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox German Location

Please introduce the Infobox German Location. It provides a coherent look among German cities. Lear 21 23:00, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

peaceful revolution

i'd find it important to mention the fact that leipzig is the german city where the peaceful revolution started and that with the demonstrations on the "leipziger ring" at the 9th of october 1989 the authority of the dictators of the gdr was broken and so the turning point was achieved. it is really important to know that without that demonstrations in leipzig the reunification of the both german states and so long-ranging the breakup of the eastern bloc hadn't been possible. for that reason leipzig is sometimes called "city of heroes". http://www.herbst89.de/startseite/leipzig-im-jahr-1989/oktober-1989.html (i don't know if there's any site in english but i hope that you'll understand it anyway) 91.65.196.189 (talk) 15:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)----

Zitate

kann einer mit besseren Englischkenntnissen als ich mal ein paar Zitate mehr einfügen.

z.b.

„Außerhalb Leipzigs leben, heißt ein recht erbärmliches Leben führen.“
("Extra Lipsiam vivere est miserrime vivere") Jurist Benedict Carpzov
oder/or
„Ich komme nach Leipzig, an den Ort, wo man die ganze Welt im Kleinen sehen kann.“ – Gotthold Ephraim Lessing
oder/or
„Das angenehme Pleis-Athen, Behält den Ruhm vor allen, Auch allen zu gefallen, Denn es ist wunderschön.“ Sperontes

Danke

Done, done aaaand done. I sure hope my sloppy grasp of poetry riseth up to the occasion. Arrmaniac (talk) 02:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

"Lime" trees

Leipzig's name is derived from the Slavic word Lipsk, which means "settlement where the lime trees stand."

These trees, genus tilia, are known in Germany as linden trees, e.g. Unter den Linden in Berlin. It's confusing to North American readers to refer to them as "lime" trees, since "lime" in America means the citrus fruit. According to the tilia entry, only the Brits (Limies?) refer to them as lime trees. In the U.S. they're known as either linden or basswood trees.

Sca (talk) 14:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

British english is used in the whole world except nort america. So internationally "Lime tree" is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.65.95.70 (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

but this is the American wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.41.43.118 (talk) 18:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I believe this comment is a troll, nevertheless i will respond. The English wikipedia is international, and may have the broadest range of contributors and readers of any of the languages, due to how widespread English is in the world. We should always keep in mind an international audience as we write wikipedia in english. Cheers, —fudoreaper (talk) 01:51, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Two and a half years later, nothing had changed, so I changed it. I don't know the history of "lime trees" as the British usage for linden, but I believe that in most of the world they are known as lindens or, in the U.S., basswood trees.

Certainly in Germany, the country in which Leipzig is located, they are known as linden trees. German Wiki: Allgemein akzeptiert ist die Etymologie des Ortsnamen Leipzig als vom sorbischen Wort Lipsk kommend (gleichlautend aus dem Altsorbischen abgeleitet). Es bedeutet „Linden-Ort“.

The only trees most of the world thinks of when they hear lime trees are the ones that bear limes of various kinds, notably C. aurantifolia and Citrus latifolia. The Limeys (Cf. Limey) in our audience should be able to understand that. Ha.

PS: No one ever picked a lime from the trees on Unter den Linden.

PPS: Last time I checked, the word English always is capitalized — in English, that is.

Sca (talk) 13:15, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Citations

I added the missing citations, therefore I removed the refimprove-sign. If there is need of further citations, please write here. --Enst38 (talk) 23:22, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Monument to Mendelssohn

A monument to Felix Mendelssohn was destroyed in 1936 by the Nazis. Has it been rebuilt yet? Either way, the information should be in this article. Das Baz, aka Erudil 01:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, a new monument has been erected in front of the Thomas church by October 18th 2008. See German article on Bartholdy Arrmaniac (talk) 02:06, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a trillion! Das Baz, aka Erudil 21:00, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Red Bull Engagement

I restored the paragraph concerning the Rasenball Leipzig Football Club since it is public knowledge and I did provide a reliable source. Also it was deleted without any reason volunteered by 94.222.135.88. Anyone who does not feel comfortable with said paragraph, please explain why it should not be included in the Sports section. Arrmaniac (talk) 13:10, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Missing information

This article seems rather lacking for such a prominent city. Compared to the articles on, say, Munich or even Düsseldorf, this article is missing sections on demographics, climate, and geography. RobertM525 (talk) 03:08, 4 July 2010 (UTC) I agree - the German page has a star so I'm bringing over stuff from there and translating it. mtmoore321 —Preceding undated comment added 21:07, 22 September 2011 (UTC).

• climate-diagram: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Klimadiagramm-Leipzig-Deutschland-metrisch-deutsch.png?uselang=de —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.183.80 (talk) 12:27, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

geography

Is there someone with better English (than mine), who can add the very important point geography to that article? Especially the confluence of the three rivers Weisse Elster, Pleisse and Parthe is characteristical. They flow in the ancient/former riverbeds of the Mulde and the Saale, that had their confluence also here. The complex net of river branches and back waters is called Waterknot of Leipzig (German: Leipziger Gewässerknoten). The Alluvial/Riparian/Floodplain forest of Leipzig (don't know the English term for German: Leipziger Auenwald) is also very important for Leipzig. For more information or references please follow the german links ... --Wolf170278 (talk) 15:00, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Visit also commons:Leipzig#Maps ... -- Wolf170278 (talk) 16:15, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Upper Sorabian

Why is the name in Upper Sorabian relevant? Nobody in Leipzig speaks Upper Sorabian, and nobody has spoken this language here for centuries. Kind regards -- RJFF from Leipzig (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

German pronunciation

The article says that the name of the City is pronounced /ˈlaɪ̯pt͡sɪç/ in German, but according to Dictionary.com, it is /ˈlaɪptsɪk/ in German. So, which is truly correct? Thank you so much. --Aristitleism (talk) 13:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The one with 'ç' is correct. The one with 'k' is Southern German pronunciation, which becomes more and more popular in Germany and some Germans even believe that it is correct standard German (but it isn't). World English Dictionary shows it correctly. --RJFF (talk) 13:40, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Can we get a reliable source saying that the sourced pronunciation is not correct? Because usually we like following what sources say. Dictionary.com is not the be-all and end-all, they're known to be capable of making mistakes, but generally I dislike seeing relevant, sourced information from solid, reliable sources getting tossed aside without sources that fight back. Red Slash 21:42, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Every time there is an -ig at the end of a German word it is pronounced -iç in Standard German (as well as in the Saxon dialect, which is spoken in Leipzig). Leipzig is no exception, in fact there is no exception of this rule. You may read this at the explanation of the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache (Society of German Language) at this topic: [1] (in German). Maybe this is source enough. Nonetheless some Southern German dialects pronounce each -ig as -ik.--Enst38 (talk) 19:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Great job finding a useful source! I'm not convinced it matters much what the so-called "standard" is, however. What matters is what people actually say, right? The source you gave says (I think!) that in everyday German the "ig" is often pronounced "k". I don't know what else we need to prove it; that's good enough for me. (To clarify, this is actually an excellent source in favor of keeping the second pronunciation in. After all, there is no such thing as an "incorrect" realization of a phoneme in your own native language! If people call it /ˈlaɪptsɪk/ in their own native German (and we have two sources that say that they do, in fact) then that pronunciation should be in the article.) Red Slash 21:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Of course there is correct and wrong pronunciation like there is correct and wrong orthography and grammar. And like there are native speakers who use wrong spelling or grammar, there are also native speakers who use wrong pronunciation. Btw, Southern Germans who use the [-ɪk] variant, are not native to Leipzig. Why should we note how the name of the place is pronounced in a dialect that is not spoken in Leipzig? --RJFF (talk) 23:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

+there are German dictionaries specialised on proper pronunciation:

• [2]
• [3]

They are much more relevant than dictionary.com, which is not specialised on German pronunciation. --RJFF (talk) 23:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

You're going to tell someone who has been speaking a language his entire life that he is pronouncing a certain phoneme "wrong"? Eww. We're not talking about mispronouncing a word, but rather a phoneme. It's not like criticizing someone's orthography but rather their handwriting; you're criticizing not how they put the sounds into a word, but what sounds they're even using. If it's understandable, it's not wrong. (Though this entire conversation forms a part of prescriptivism versus descriptivism.)

Anyway, all that aside. We follow what is verifiable based on reliable sources, not what is "true". You would need to show a preponderance of sources directly contradicting the two here. I note that the phrase in the article does not say "pronounced xyz or zyx in German, which are both completely correct"; it simply says that in German, both pronunciations exist. Do you deny this? Do you deny that the sources assert this? If not, I can't see how you can say they shouldn't be in the article. Red Slash 20:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I think only the standard German pronunciation should be in it. There are probably other local mispronounciations of place names but this is an English (or perhaps American) language version of wikipedia and I can't see why English speakers looking at the introduction on an encyclopedia page would concern themselves with regional dialectical pronunciations in German. You could maybe write a bit about the local dialect under culture and fit it in there, if you want to. mtmoore321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.138.41 (talk) 07:33, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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