Talk:Lassie (manga)

Names

No where can I find Jiyomaru being Chiyomaru and Majigo being Machigo. I've heard that the the 'ch' and 'j' spelling can often be a mistake, but I'd like comformation. And, comformation on Germaine being German. Germaine is a female name, so it is probably the misspelling of Jermaine, which can be used for males. I'm sure that 'German' would probably not 'Germaine', after being directly romanized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteArcticWolf (talk • contribs) 19:42, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

千代丸 = ちよまる = chi-yo-ma-ru. You can't read 千(the kanji for "thousand") 'ji'. As for conformation, there is no English proof because Lassie has not been officially published in English. You just have to trust me. I don't mean to sound like a bragging b*tch, but I am half Japanese, have lived in Japan since 2 years old, Japanese is my first language, and we learned how to Romanize Japanese by a Japanese History freak (our teacher).MIZZKIE 04:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC) (I don't have the book at hand so will update another day)"Majigo" is actually "Machiko". (will find out kanji later)まち子＝まちこ＝ ma-chi-ko. "Ji" is spelt じ or ぢ. When using the kanji 子(it means 'child'), you read it "ko". It is seldom read "go".MIZZKIE 04:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC) It doesn't say anywhere that the German Shepherd's name is "Germaine". He is spelt ジャーマン, which is pronounced 'jāman', and this is the Romanization of the word 'German' (as in German Shepherd). But personally I like Germaine way better than just simply German :P MIZZKIE 04:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clarifying! So, the 'ch' thing is like the misspelling of Tochigi? I've heard of people misspelling it "Tojigi". The German thing would make sense, then, especially because I had to look on websites, which may or may not provide correct information. A manga as rare as Lassie doesn't turn up much either, I am unable to read it myself, knowing a total of five hiragana characters. Maybe "Germaine" came up because the "maine" was supposed to sound like "main". WhiteArcticWolf 20:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)WhiteArcticWolf

Lassie being male?

Lassie has been refered to as a she throughout the manga, and even if they were calling her using the Japanese pronoun that can be used for both males and females, it doesn't explain why characters constantly refer to her as a girl or female. Unless the translators made a huge mistake, or they got volumes from a different country that changed Lassie into a female. Is there any verification that Lassie is a male or female? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteArcticWolf (talk • contribs) 00:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely. The very first quote the dogs(Bull) says is, (will confirm another time because I'm at school)「待てー、小僧！！」. 小僧(kozō) is a term to refer to a young BOY. Also, though it is not a good proof, Lassie calls himself 俺(ore), which is a MALE form of calling oneself.MIZZKIE 04:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Okay, although I still feel a little unsure. Can't kozō also mean 'young' or something close to it? (In the way used, couldn't it mean "youngster" or "young kid" or something of the sort?) The manga-ka has had a female character be mistaken as a male in some of his other work. Notably, Cross from "Ginga Nagareboshi Gin". Also, "ore" has been used by female characters before, although they are in many cases strong and/or masculine, posing as a male, or in some cases just their taste. It seems unlikely that a dog like Lassie would do such, but I guess it's still possible. Plus, there is the name Lassie, which is a female name, although it may have been mixed up because of the Lassie TV show character being played by a male dog. It's a confusing topic for me. Do you have any other proo? Favorably, probably something in the second volume, which by then, all the characters should be calling Lassie by his (or her) correct gender. Thanks, though! WhiteArcticWolf 20:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)WhiteArcticWolf

I don't have time now (the bell rang), so I'll upload a pic of several different proofs of questions asked here and in the article. Will explain another day.http://www.geocities.com/lisaferret/wikipediaLassieProofCollectionJPEG.jpgMIZZKIE 08:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

How can "Lassie" be a male? That's like calling a male dog "girlie". That's just plain wierd. 216.116.87.110 (talk) 15:00, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Probably just a disconnect between Japan and English-speaking countries. My guess is that the author didn't really see the connection between Lassie and the female gender or something. At least to the extent an English speaker would. There have been other strange cases, though; in 07-Ghost, a major character is named Frau (German for "woman", and often used as "Mrs.") WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 20:30, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Helping the Article

I am currently in the process of cleaning this article up, but I'm wondering which things I should really focus on. Other than that, I need someone to go through and add hiragana and katakana to the characters lacking them. A few are already done. I'd like opinions on the following:

• Character profiles: Should they be left the same or condensed more?
• References: I think there should be more, but should the reference issue and notability tag be removed now? I've been digging through some Japanese sites, but I am far from fluent, and rely mostly on google translating it. (Which, doesn't help much except with prices and such)
• Plot: I've made it short and just given the overview of the entire thing, but should anything else really be changed, other than just fixing sentence structure?
• Anything else: Any suggestions for what else can be done to help it? If there is, I'll try and find it or do it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteArcticWolf (talk • contribs) 18:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The character profiles are okay, though they could be condensed some more. Thanks for shortening the plot, that's much better. More references are needed, and they need to meet WP:RS. I had to remove some, as wiki's are not a valid reference (and no need to reference that it is only published in Japan :) ). If possible, sections on production, reception, and media are also needed before the article could go from start to B. I found the ISBNs for the volumes and added a media section (named it volumes since it has no other versions or related media), and added an image of the cover of the first volume to the infobox. I also took the liberity of reworking the lead to be more in line with WP:LEAD and the MOS. Feel free to correct any errors I may have made in interpreting the plot. AnmaFinotera (talk) 19:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay! Thanks a lot for your help! I'll start working on condensing the character profiles, and try to find some information on production and reception. Unfortunately, the biggest English-speaking site for Lassie is a fan-site, so I'll have to find more Japanese sites. There must be something out there.WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 21:20, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

No prob and good luck. It looks like even Shueisha didn't make an official site for it. :( I really wish Takahashi's manga series would get licensed. I got to read the few Ginga Densetsu Weed volumes before it went away, and would love to read more. AnmaFinotera (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I read those few volumes, too. A lot of his good series have small fanbases, but I'm sure that the American manga fanbase would love manga centered around dogs for a change. The problem with getting rights to GDW, I think, is because it's such a risk. It's a sequel to a rather old manga, it has a lot of volumes, and it is pretty violent. I would like, though, if a company would test the waters with one of his smaller series--like FANG or Lassie. I'll try talking to some people who are currently in Japan. Maybe they read an article or something that talks about Lassie. If not, than I'll have to do what the Bleach and Naruto articles do so much; reference the manga pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WhiteArcticWolf (talk • contribs) 01:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

References

The article has come a long way from what it began as and I don't know how much more we can do with it. My main goal is to have enough refs so that the 'needing more references' lable can be removed. But what else can be referenced? The publisher and release info is, along with fact that Lassie is male. (Many readers would assume he is a female and many more read some fan-scanlations that happened to be innaccurate with that, according to MIZZKIE) Anyway, I just want opinions on what else can be referenced. It's not known in Japan and outside; it's really apparent due to the lack of websites and that it hasn't been released outside of Japan. Unfortunately, this means less references, and I don't have the magazines where Lassie was serialized in. I doubt many people actually do (or at least those who speak English and are on wikipedia). As for the media section, I'll expand that to have the publishing info and such. Still, though, all of it has been used before. The only reviews I can find on it are fan-reviews; not official. Thanks for you help, everyone! You've all done so much for the article; thanks for spending the time on it.WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I think about all that needs referencing has been, so I've removed the tag. :) AnmaFinotera (talk) 22:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! You've been a huge help! Now I guess I can switch my goal into getting this to B-Level. Unfortunately, this'll be hard because the manga is...Well, unheard of. I'm not sure what else can be added that hasn't been already.WhiteArcticWolf (talk) 22:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)