Talk:Lambay Island

Viking attack in 795

It should be noted that the Viking raid on the island of Rechru in 795 may have taken place on Rathlin Island, off the northeast coast of Ireland. Rathlin and Lambay bore the same name, or similar names. The point is still under debate.

Eroica 13:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe that matter has been resolved. Originally it was thought 'shrine' meant 'Skye' in the piece of text. However once it was realised that it meant 'shrine', there was no longer any reason to suggest in was Rathlin. However the fact that the name 'Lambay' is of Norse origin, I think its fair to say that makes more sense. Leanseahy (talk) 20:47, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Further Info please

Per Article

St. Colmcille is said to have established a monastic settlement on Lambay ca. 530 A.D.

St. Colmcille would have been Nine at the time. Aatomic1 (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, life was short back then and you had to get things done early! Sarah777 (talk) 16:28, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

lol. Aatomic1 (talk) 16:35, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Intro

Using the term Republic of Ireland is misleading in the intro as it not the name of the country as per WP:FACT There are many other ways around this misleading use, of which I inserted but as I think you feel you own the article you keep on reverting giving no real reason. Please stop reverting and accept other editors input please.MusicInTheHouse (talk) 09:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Well... The WP article on the country/state/nation is at Republic of Ireland, so it seems a reasonable thing to call the place! Simply saying "the republic" is maybe OK, but is (IMHO) needlessly obscure. And the latest version is completely misleading, because it appears to say that Lambay is the easternmost point in Ireland, which it isn't! Yes, the wikilink goes to Republic of Ireland, but the misleading impression is there on the surface of the article. Please assume good faith; there is no question of ownership here - I am merely trying to keep the article as transparently informative as possible. "The Republic of Ireland" is unambiguous, clear, and frequently used, in Ireland and elsewhere. This is not a political article, it is an article about a place. We need wording that is clear and unambiguous, and it does not necessarily have to be the official name of the state. How about "the 26 counties"? I will sit back and wait to see what others think. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 10:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The article is about to be moved by Arbcom actually. I am happy for any alternative as long as it is factually correct. I would accept use of 26 counties but I feel there are better alternatives. The most obvious one is probably the best.

Simply saying it is is the easternmost point of the country means political terms are avoided with the sentence remaining clear and concise.MusicInTheHouse (talk) 13:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Not convinced. "The country" must mean 32 counties. Come to think of it, a 32-county viewpoint would surely lead to the conclusion that its easternmostness should not be mentioned at all. It's the easternmost point of Co. Dublin, for sure... It's also further east than anywhere else in the 26 counties... But it's not the easternmost point in Ireland, or in Ireland as defined by the constitution! That's why it seems to me that a simple "in the Republic of Ireland" is best. That name is not THE name of the state, but it is a recognised name (see, among other places, Republic of Ireland Act), and furthermore it's clear and unambiguous. SNALWIBMA ( talk - contribs ) 13:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry you're about 11 years out of date making your statement. The constitution of Ireland indicated the country is 26 counties. The whole island bit was removed due to the Belfast Agreement as was the UK government's use of the term Republic of Ireland which the Irish government didn't like (and therefore is not a recognised name anywhere officially). The country must not mean 32 counties. There is absolutely no justification for that statement. Use of the country is simplest and best.MusicInTheHouse (talk) 13:58, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

American, British, Irish, are rather non-specific terms. There is the Republican and the Monarchist Ireland. Northern Ireland is not Britain and the rest of Ireland non-British. All of the British Isles are British, whether Republican or Monarchist. In any case, the Republic has no more exclusive claim to the term "Ireland" than the Monarchy. It's reality. Catterick (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Pliny the Elder

Pliny was a Roman writer, not Greek. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.201.74.89 (talk) 21:14, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Lambay-Rush Pigeon Service in WW2

In a recently released diary of the Senior MI5 Officer Guy Liddell, he refers to a Captain Caiger of the Lambay-Rush Pigeon Service. This suggests that Eire or Britain was operating some form of communication by pigeon between Lambay island and the coastal town of Rush during WW2. It would be interesting to get to the truth of this. Of course it may have been some form of covert MI5 activity but MI5 operated very closely with their opposite numbers in Eire (G2) throughout WW2. Has anybody ever heard of this before or has it been a well kept secret for all these years? 82.19.7.34 (talk) 18:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

References

Animals on the island

I know it seems very trivial, but the Irish Times amongst other publications has mentioned Wallabies on Lambay. However, at present the article says they have never been sighted on the island. I think that needs a source at the very least, as there either is a population on the island or there isn't. O lockers (talk) 20:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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New Lambay Project

There was a Club launched with Fianna Fáil dynast and fixer fresh back from Moscow Conor Lenihan. Launched at Howth Yacht Club. Also is the current boss the former boy wonder hedge trader Alex Baring of Children’s and JPM? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.26.35.226 (talk) 10:06, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Conor Lenihan worked promoting Skolkovo Innovation Center fir Viktor Vekselberg, and perhaps was to bring some Russian investors to Lambay, which nearly had to be sold in 2011. Even a rich banking family finds a private island a great luxury, which the now-7th Lord once joked to The Times of London. 83.220.238.202 (talk) 14:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I am currently engaged in an article review and overhaul, and if any referenced data is available to help, that would be most welcome. SeoR (talk) 21:47, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Mr Lenihan did not stay on, nor did he keep much from Moscow, where he was a bit lost. And Alex Baring the boy wonder hedge fund manager, now maybe just over 40, is too young to be Lord Revelstoke, born 1970. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.193.179.168 (talk) 10:09, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. We need not go into Mr Lenihan in any detail - I'm sure he has an article of his own - but the bio data is noted. I seem to be seeing both 1970 and 1971 for the current Alexander Baring, will check further. SeoR (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Tours / access

Eoin Grimes, Skerries, www.skerriesseatours.com

I think, per Google, etc., that this refers to Skerries Sea Tours, www.skerriesseatours.ie, and indeed they are mentioned on Failte, TripAdvisor and other sites, and may perhaps be edited in. SeoR (talk) 21:49, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

I cannot open the site today, not reach them by phone, but there is enough on them in multiple reliable sources to mention, operating since at least 2013, it looks like. SeoR (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Returning to this, the website has been let go, it seems, though TripAdvisor and other sites still list the enterprise (https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g186605-d2073474-Reviews-or5-Skerries_Sea_Tours-Dublin_County_Dublin.html, etc.), so it may be that this arrangement has ended (they are not mentioned on the shiny new, apparently official, Private Island website). Or it may have simply gone down during Covid Time; I will try to check further. SeoR (talk) 12:44, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Points for clarification

In one or more sources are mentioned the following, which need verification; any input welcome:

• a disused golf course... I know there is a disused lawn tennis court (in addition to the real tennis facility), but wonder if this idea is a confusion with that, or with the Jamesons' private course in northern Portmarnock
  • an update - I have spoken to two locals who recall that there was some sort of small course, away from the residential settlement, but I still find no hard reference, nor traces on maps
• an airstrip... I am sure helicopters can land there, but I have never heard of an airstrip - but perhaps a small plane can land (and of course a seaplane, if they were really used in Ireland)
  • likewise updating, speaking to locals, there was some sort of airstrip near Carnoon Bay, but it is not in any database I can find, so perhaps long disused, or never officially registered

Thanks. SeoR (talk) 20:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC) Further, something is needed on the designation of both the buildings and the island (SPA / NHA, etc.).SeoR (talk) 00:05, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

With both points above, I hope to eventually find something on an historic map - but the excellent Geohive / OSI site has basically maps from the 1820s-1840s, the 1860s to the 1900s, and current mapping, plus satellite imagery from the 1990s to 2016, and there is a gap from pre-1910 to after 1990. SeoR (talk) 00:22, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

There are 27 national monuments recorded on the island according to the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage. The main Lutyens designed house is under DU009-001005.[1][2][3] In the citations are some freely available images from the RIBA.

Financefactz (talk) 08:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Financefactz, I will follow up on those. I noticed I was getting tired, and thought to call out, as there is a lot about Lambay, but the article needs first to be fully referenced, and then further expanded. I suspect the golf course does not exist, likewise any kind of permanent airstrip - I certainly see nothing on satellite - though a small plane could be landed in one or two fields, but I wanted to reach out in case anyone had heard. Further, another editor mentioned that there might have been some island-linked editing some years back, and if so, perhaps one of the family or staff will eventually notice this new editiing, and be able to supply some points of information too. SeoR (talk) 10:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I have also uploaded some new photos from Flickr to Lambay Island on Wikimedia - one showing the Geology and one a photo from a plane Financefactz (talk) 11:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

There are several mentions of an unused golf course to the back of the Island (which I assume means west)[4]

The pier was built in 1830 - mentioned here.[5]

Thanks! I hope you don't mind - for clarity, I indented your text per the normal flow. I will have a look at those images. On the golf course, I found the same, a couple of mentions, but no evidence. The pier dating is great. The article makes progress... SeoR (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I will close this section with a note that I will add, with citation, a note that the post town is Rush - and will include the reason for this, and the main freight link to the island - the MV Shamrock. SeoR (talk) 13:19, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Lutyens

Edwin Lutyens is important in the history of Lambay, having in some sense adopted the island and the family, and the coverage of his work there needs to be extended, no question.

Today I see there was a back-and-forth over his ethnicity / nationality, and I think the simplest thing will be to take it out altogether, as it is not relevant to *this* article; any debates can be had at his own article. He was *not* a member of the special sub-group known as the Anglo-Irish - but he was half-Irish (his mother was from Cork, as I recall) - but for the purpose of Lambay discussions, I think this is a "so what?" point. His style was Arts & Crafts, and his own, and has no notable Irish elements that I know of. It is great that people take an interest, and edit politely, and I think on this point, which was already here before I began the article review, we can simply remove it from contention. SeoR (talk) 12:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

English

Facts 2A02:8084:4EE0:E880:8143:EB0D:7A89:66DE (talk) 08:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)