Talk:La falena

Copyright violation

The synopsis was cut and pasted by Nrswanson from the New Grove Dictionary of Opera:

This is the text:

On a European coast of the Atlantic in the early times of Christianity

King Stellio asks Albina to become his queen. . . . . As the sun rises, grief-stricken Albina forgives Stellio and dies. (141 words in total)

This is identical to that in New Grove Dictionary of Opera, volume 2, page 110. --Kleinzach 00:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry about that, I had to jet off quickly to take care of a family emergency. I saved the page, but I was planning on re-writing ASAP, as in right now.Nrswanson (talk) 00:17, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How many other cases are there like this? --Kleinzach 00:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• There shouldn't be any, although I am by no means perfect. I honestly did intend to get back to this within hours of creating the article.Nrswanson (talk) 00:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How many very close paraphrases are there that are immediately recognizable as extractions from Grove? --Kleinzach 01:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Not many. I generally build articles from four or five sources, so most things read in a highly different manner from any one source. I usually only use Grove as a starting point and then try and find more references to flesh things out. Some more of the obscure operas like Il re are pretty much just Grove rephrased. I hope to find more sources though to make this not the case. Did I sufficiently re-word the synopsis? Its a little difficult without a libretto to divert too far from the original.Nrswanson (talk) 01:21, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

How many other articles are there like Il re which are "pretty much just Grove rephrased" (to use your description)? --Kleinzach 01:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

• Well I would have to go back and check. Not a ton of articles, certainly not the majority of my contributions. Are you concerned that Il re is too close to the original to be ok? Its not copy pasted and Grove is cited so I don't think it violates any copyright policies.Nrswanson (talk) 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, you need to check. This is a serious matter which could affect the reputation of the opera articles. I suggest you delete all passages where you have copied, pasted and made minimal changes to the wording. --Kleinzach 07:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

The present text is still a close (and obvious) paraphrase of the original in Grove. --Kleinzach 06:43, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• Since I have no access to a libretto, I simply removed the synopsis all together. Problem solved.Nrswanson (talk) 06:46, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

This topic is still open and I wish to reply, so I am unarchiving it. Removing the synopsis altogether does solve this article's problem, but my other question still stands: How many other pages are there like this one and Il re? --Kleinzach 07:12, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

• It seems pointless to discuss this here when a similar conversation is already taking place at voceditenore's talkpage (which you started). The issue at this article is finished so I suggest you ask your questions at a more appropriate place. As for an exact number, I can't give one to you in good conscience. As I said at the other conversation, I don't think there are many articles with similar issues but I am going to have to go through my entire watchlist systematically to make sure I haven't missed anything. My plan is simply to either re-write (if possible) or remove (more likely) anything that could be considered a close paraphrase.Nrswanson (talk) 07:20, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it doesn't matter where you answer the question. Maybe the opera project would be the best place? If you don't have a record of the number of opera articles you have worked on (using Grove), you can look at your user contributions page. --Kleinzach 07:58, 9 March 2009 (UTC)