Talk:Kurmi

Please correct information about Kurmi caste origin

I can see that the owner of this article has given several opinion of late-19th century theories of the etymology of Kurmi. i am surprised that you have given opinion of people place here who are actually not from Kurmi caste itself. If you are writing about origin about a caste origin then you should give opinion of people from caste itself a place. People from this caste has always considered themselves as a martial race i.e Kshatriya and simultaneously agriculture was also their occupation. If you check in human history when the word kurmi first appeared the you will find that in rigveda as "Tuvi kūrmi"(तुविकूर्मि):—[=tuvi-kūrmi] [from tuvi] meaning powerful in working (Indra), [Ṛg-veda iii, vi, viii.]. Please go and read and make edits if you have little logic left in your brain.I don't know what type of research you have done but in several books like for an example "Martial Races of Undivided India : Vidya Prakash Tyagi"(which you have mentioned in your own wiki page) Kurmi has been described as a martial race i.e they are Kshatriya, and I do not see you have put that information in the page. I can see clear bias and promotion of bullying of a caste like for an example you have mentioned kurmis as a "non-elite tiller caste". Please visit india and see the conditions by your own eye. I hope you have an eye and a brain. ArvindKumar23 (talk) 21:19, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not interested in who you are, where you are from, what race/religion/community/caste you are, what you "know", or even what you have found out.
Wikipedia is only interested in what has already been published in reliable, independent sources published by a body with a reputation for fact-checking - No blogs, no self-published sources, no bodies with a conflict of interest, no caste-promotional sites.
These sources must be properly cited in order to support any information added to, or changed in our pages, so the information can be verified as true in the future.
The responsibility for providing citations is solely on whoever adds or changes any information, to provide references from reliable sources that support those additions or changes.
We are not interested in meaningless, self aggrandisement, phrases such as "martial race". - Arjayay (talk) 21:32, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sir,

May I know if i can give information from books to back my claims.

I agree that this is not a caste-promotional sites but this is also not a caste bullying site as well. Why have you written Kurmi are "non-elite tiller caste".

Please remove that and make it as a chief agriculture caste of India.

Regarding other information I will give you references from books written by several scholars. Let me know if you will consider them.

Awaiting for your Esteem response.

Thanks&Regards. ArvindKumar23 (talk) 05:58, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Please edit these information on kurmis

1. Introduction Please add: The Kurmi claim that they are the direct descendants of the famous Suryavanshi Kshatriya dynasties of Lord Rama and one of the sects of Hindus in India. Kurmis are known as chief agricultural caste of India. Kurmi and their descendants residing all over the world and especially India are compassionate, industrious and very resourceful people.

2. Origin/etymology : Kurmis derive their name from the word "Kurma" occurring in the Rigveda and Shatapath Brahman and meaning 'Lord, Master ,Powerful,' etc.

Referrences:

1. The castes and tribes of H.E.H. the Nizam's dominions, Volume I Page number 370.

https://archive.org/details/cu31924088964154/page/370/mode/1up?view=theater

https://books.google.co.in/books?id=lYSd-3yL9h0C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=true

2. Kulmi Kshatriya Patidaron ka itihas by Br. Manubhai Ramdas patel Page no 34-35

https://archive.org/details/1999KulmiKshatriyaPatidaronKaItihas301D/page/n61/mode/2up?view=theater

3. History of Kunbi/Kurmi caste((Ref:Vidya Pakash Tyagi,Martial Races of Undivided India,page no.265)

Please verify these references, If possible buy these books and read it to improve your knowledge of castes and tribes of india. Please edit this article and all these information there. I assume that you are an unbiased person and you will do the suggested changes.

Thanks and Regards, ArvindKumar23 (talk) 06:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Vedas are not reliable, nor mythical origins. Not to mention British Era sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 12:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

I have given references from books. If books written by scholars are not good and relaible source of information then May i know what is a relaible source of information?

90 percent the Information in your article is wrong. ArvindKumar23 (talk) 12:40, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Then what are you're sources? Based on which you have mentioned kurmis as a non elite tiller caste. This proves your hypocrisy that you are doing this on purpose we're providing evidences from history kindly use your brain 49.37.64.112 (talk) 13:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

kshatriya Kurmi

Kurmi (Kunbi) are a Hindu agricultural caste (community) in India and Nepal. The nomenclature of this caste is different from geographical and dialectal point of view. In 2006, the Government of India declared that Kurmi was considered synonymous with the Kunbi and Yellam castes in Maharashtra. All Patidars are descendants of Kurmis Krish chandrakar (talk) 16:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

And your WP:Reliable sources for these statements are? - Arjayay (talk) 16:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay Yes, look, this is the official link of our community https://www.ekurmi.com/index.html Krish chandrakar (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay It contains the entire subject, whatever is there, add it completely Krish chandrakar (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Not reliable, hence can't be used. Requires WP:HISTRS compliant scholarly sources. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:24, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Sir, first tell me why you are editing, we should do it, this is our caste, we will edit, no, you tell us, now hand over this page to our caste. Krish chandrakar (talk) 17:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Nope, Wikipedia doesn't work like that. Everyone can edit Wikipedia, albeit the contents have to be reliably sourced. In case of caste/community articles, we rely on scholarly sources. The link you provided is not reliable, see WP:RS. Secondly, you can't edit it, just because you belong to this caste, read WP:OWN. There are users here who have Wikipedia articles of themselves, but can't add unsourced information about themselves. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:52, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Tell me what is your Surname ? Krish chandrakar (talk) 03:39, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

That has nothing to do with improving the article, which is what this page is about. - Arjayay (talk) 10:17, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay Kurmi, which is the name of one of the sects of the Hindus. Basically, In hindu society structure, there are four varna named as: Bharmanya, Kshatriya, Vaisya and Kshdrya, which was decided on the basis on thier work. People from Kurmi community belong to Kshatriya varna.

SOURCE: MARTIAL RACE OF UNDIVIDED INDIA Flyingsuperhero (talk) 06:07, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

https:(Cut it to get the original link)//books.google.co.in/books/about/Martial_races_of_undivided_India.html?id=vRwS6FmS2g0C&redir_esc=y#v=snippet&q=Kurmi&f=false Flyingsuperhero (talk) 06:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Arjayay I told you the Realiable source and also gave you its link, now you write Kurmi as Kurmi Kshatriya 😡😡😡 I am a Rajput and I can do anything for my Kurmi brothers. Flyingsuperhero (talk) 06:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

No, that is not a reliable source. As stated here "Books published by Gyan and their stablemates, Kalpaz Publications and ISHA Books, are never, under any circumstances, allowed as sources in Wikipedia articles." - Arjayay (talk) 10:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Also British Era sources are not considered reliable in Wikipedia per various consensus. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 11:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk ok 🙏🏻 Flyingsuperhero (talk) 13:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk Please help me by creating a page in the name of "Chandrakar (surname)", do this much for me and I will not talk to you about anything. Please sir... 😭🙏🏻 please... please Flyingsuperhero (talk) 13:49, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

@Flyingsuperhero: Well, you can draft it yourself. Please go through WP:DRAFT and also see this. Note that the content you add need to be verifiable and reliably sourced. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 13:53, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

"Hey @Fylindfotberserk

It's infuriating to see the blatant misinformation about the Kurmi community in [kurmi]. The false portrayal of misleading information is unacceptable and needs immediate correction😠😡😤

I demand that you rectify this error without delay. Wikipedia's credibility is at stake here, and it's your responsibility as an editor to ensure accurate information.

Take action now. Flyingsuperhero (talk) 04:41, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Provide WP:HISTRS complaint sources here first. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:09, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Crap article

This article is totally crap their sources are ,scroll ,Indian express ,The Hindu ,Cambridge and what not instead of Indian historical text 152.58.191.98 (talk) 20:40, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to Cambridge University Press, which is recognised, world-wide, as a reliable source, as are Oxford University Press and University of California Press, which are also cited. I'm not sure what you are referring to by "Indian historical text" please provide WP:Reliable sources - Arjayay (talk) 20:50, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Status of kurmi

Check the martial race during British eras kurmi were included in the martial race . Kindly add that 49.37.64.112 (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2024 (UTC)