Talk:Kristoffer Throndsen

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Someone wrote about Kristoffer's parent's names:", however such charts is often considered to not be reliable enough for use as an only source".

Kristoffer Throndsen belonged to the one or two remained (post black plague) families in Norway in the 16th century. His family history is well documented, in published books (not only church references, like most Norwegian families - and churches had the unfortunate propensity to burn down, making family history research a bit difficult for most Norwegians, sadly). Kristoffer has descendant linkages with the Galtung family, which traces it's roots back to 1104. I have that in documented publication. But I'm not referencing anything here, because a bunch of Wikipedians were w-holes. Notably Durova and Slimvirgin. And I'm a very busy lady due to their Ministerial, oops I mean ministrations. But for what it is worth, there's plenty of documented evidence who Kristoffer married, who his parents are, and the like. His descendants were also part of Norwegian history. There were quite a few Galtuns admirals down the line after Kristoffer (a family from which Kristoffer was descended and into which some of his descendants remarried). 83.77.16.47 (talk) 12:04, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

If you have documented evidence (primary-source, not internet-pages) about Kristoffer's ancestry (more than his parents Trond (Sigurdsson/Engelbregtsson?) and Karen Koll of whom little, if anything, is known) and the identity of his wife Karen I would like to see you present it. I would also be VERY surprised to see his connection through ancestry to the Galtung-family. If you are able to do so it would more or less be an enormous sensation in Norwegian genealogy. The foremost Norwegian genealogists such as Tore Vigerust has not found any evidence of these claims you present. -GabaG (talk) 17:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude - no one has "documented evidence" because no one has birth and death certificates from back then. But you should be VERY surprised, because Magdalena (KT's daugther, my ancestor) ave birth to a line of two Lauritz Galtungs, both admirals. They weren't her children, but they came down that line. I can document that family line, but I dont have the time right now. This isn't that surprising. Back then, the noble families and sub-noble families weren't that many - they all intermarried. Litegran (talk) 11:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Foremost Norwegian geneologist? (giggle). Where's the citation that he disputed my claim (giggle). I just don't have the time to look it up. Magdalena's granddaughter, or great-granddaughter was Magdalena Galtung. I have a picture of a silver ladel (or someting) from a book with her name inscribed on it as Magdalena Galtung. Litegran (talk) 11:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Althought not very scientific, check out http://home.comcast.net/~viking-roots/ and look at the PDF he has there, some very interesting data on who, when, where, etc. Understand, he's just culling information from all sorts of places for some of it, but it does go to show that the Rustung and wife ancestry is pretty deep. Would I trust it 100%? No, but as a source it's pretty remarkable, even if it is something that WP could call "original research." He has KT's wife listed as "Karen Knutsdatter Schancke, Born ~1496, Trondheim, Norway. Died 18 Sep 1578, Seim, Kvinnherad, Norway. AKA Karina, Karenn. Karen was identified as Christoffer’s wife by the following: Christoffer’s probate document that notes his wife is named Fru (Ms) Karenn. There is also a "Death Sermon" from Maren Joergensdatter Staur from around 1685 that says Kristoffer's wife was named Karen Schanke, daughter of Knud Pedersen Schanke and Dorte Adelstein of Egge. More information regarding Karina and her family can be found in: Roger de Robelin’s book “Skanke ätten,”" --- I know that's a lot to quote, but I wanted to show that the PDF does have a TON of interesting bits in it, and a lot of sourced material. Could be helpful? 192.44.136.113 (talk) 19:53, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I know about, and agree somewhat in what you present here. Personally, I think that Kristoffer's wife Karen very well may have been a daugther of deakon Knut Pedersen. However this cannot truly be confirmed as there are numerous issues. For instance there is nothing that suggests that Knut Pedersen was a Schanke (his seal rather looks like that of the Koll-family). Lacking evidence makes it wrong to claim such ancestries. Also in specific the table in the pdf-file has extremely many wrongful entries, probably only based on genealogies found on unreliable amateur internet-pages. (A good sign of a unreliable internet-genealogy is when biblical Noah is in the ancestry as in the one in question.) -GabaG (talk) 21:23, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I actually thought that Kristoffer's wife came from Sweden. I recall reading that. Someone could prove me wrong, and perhaps Ive confused that with his mother, but I recalled that there was Karin from around the Malmo area.

You know most of Kristoffer's kids were born in Flanders. Anna Throndsen was; this is probably why the family stuck with the Throndssen name, and did't call themselves Kristoffersdatter/sen, etc. Litegran (talk) 12:01, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Nobody was stuck with the "Throndssen"-name. That name has never been used by the family, standard spelling of Kristoffer is "Trondsson", and his children are only known as "Tronds" which may in fact have been their family-name (Source: Tore Vigerust, with more). I have also read many places that Kristoffer's wife came from Denmark or Sweden, however this is not known for sure in any way (only her name Karen is known for sure). My sources are the foremost Norwegian genealogists, not webpage-genealogies or more or less fictional/theoretical books. It's sad how the internet ruins genealogy when amateur-genealogists falsyfies history just to "hail" from Medieval kings and Roman emperors. (I don't see the point in living on a lie like that.) -GabaG (talk) 16:19, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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