Talk:Korean Minjok Leadership Academy

biased content

There is little doubt that KMLA is a reputable school but the article (and the above comment) reflect a bias that is inappropriate for a wikipedia article. This space must not be used to create anything resembling an advertisement. I suggest an edit that avoids biased language. A great example of an article on a top HS that avoids bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuyvesant_High_School

reorganize article

I suggest the original author edit this page for conciseness and seek more exact figures on university enrollment. Basic information (date of school's founding, company responsible for founding school) should come at the beginninng of the article.

I've hear that KMLA places cameras in the student dormitory rooms. This factoid should be included along with any available information on the school's curricula and management.

A word from a high school student from Korea

This school is not famous outside Korea, but it is known to be the best high school - I am not exaggerating - in Korea.

Korean?

Is it really necessary to put Korean and Hanja in the contents of the article itself? In the English version of Wikipedia, everything that is not Korean should either be separately boxed away or introduced in parentheses. Mathboychoi 09:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

John stop it

Mathboichoi, SHUT UP!!!

We will reorganize

We will reorganize this webpage. /We do have cameras, but we currently are not using it due to personal privacy. /KMLA is the most prestigious high school (if not, in the top 3) in Korea_ask anyone neutral in Korea. /Isn't it not "English" instead of "Korean"? In that case, what's up for Latin?

Reputation and Notability of KMLA

It is not strange that KMLA is not well-known in the U.S. or the U.K. because people generally do not know much about prestigious high schools in foreign countries. Many Koreans who are not interested in studying in the U.S. or the U.K do not know of Philips Exeter Academy or Eton College. However, this school is currently considered as the most prestigious high school in Korea, and almost all Korean international students or Koreans living in Korea know this school because it has been highlighted by Korean mass media several times, though some Korean Americans might not have heard of this school. Without doubt, this school has enough "notability" to be included in Wikipedia. Followings are few of the Korean newspaper articles (in English) covering KMLA and its achievements. There are much more articles about this school in Korean. If someone who speaks Korean asks me for articles in Korean, I can give him/her the links to them.

Newspaper Articles:

http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=044&article_id=0000020128&section_id=108&menu_id=108

http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=040&article_id=0000021028&section_id=108&menu_id=108

http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=044&article_id=0000015231&section_id=108&menu_id=108

http://news.naver.com/news/read.php?mode=LSD&office_id=040&article_id=0000002770&section_id=108&menu_id=108

List of universities that KMLA alumni has enrolled at (Scroll down to view the list of US and UK colleges):

http://www.minjok.hs.kr/index.asp?m_no=02&sub_no=33

An article in Doosan EnCyber Encyclopedia, a Korean online encyclopedia (in Korean language):

http://100.naver.com/100.nhn?docid=766829

Vandalism

Ran into some elementary school level vandalism on this site. Reverted to the original. User IP 125.251.12.108 really has to wash those little potty fingers. -- Robotron02 19:24, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This is not the addmission office of the school

Here is an Encyclopedia page, so don't bring in the statistic on students going to which universities.--Appletrees (talk) 13:39, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Poorly pieced together.

Appletrees is correct. And, I would extend on that and say the article is generally poorly written. It appears it has been pieced together by the students attending the school. It is rife with commemorating prose, boosterism, and admissions statistics. This article should be revamped so that it is informative, unbiased, and professional. by Snowfalcon cu (talk • contribs) 01:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Nature of two sources in the opening line

Hello, Illegitimate Barrister. Thank you for your contribution on this school's Wiki entry. As to the first source, the reference is to a book about North Korea. What South Korean sources have you found to balance it? North Korea is different culture to South Korea, the North Korean government follows juche ideology, an extreme form of nationalism. Their interpretation of words has followed a new line of reasoning, it is not simply a nuance in terms. The school is South Korean, different mentality, different sensibilities. Or did you find through research this is not the case? Second, I cannot see the quote on page 26, Google Preview disables it.

Next, the use of the word 'race.' The international term is 'ethnicity.' You cited an American undergraduate thesis at the University of Ohio State. When I ask my wife about the transliteration of minjok sagwan, she says it is historical ethnicity or clan. In Europe and in Asia, where I have lived, when we hear the word 'race', we either think of 1) pure bred animals or 2) Nazi propaganda. But, you cited an American source. That's fine. Yet, have you found any non-American sources, in particular any Korean ones, to further support the word 'race' or instead counter it? Non-American audiences may be put off. When I do a Google search, I find North American uses of 'race.' Non-American sources use ethnicity. Best wishes and take care. Snowfalcon cu (talk) 16:34, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

My Korean is quite limited, but I believe the two predicates in the phrase are "Minjok" (ethnicity or "race"), and "Sagwan Godeunghakgyo", which means "Academy" or "High School" as far as internet translators say. From what I've seen, the term seems to mean the same thing in both North and South Korea. Since that translation seems to be contested, I'll change the term from race to ethnicity, since you seem to think that's best. I also added the quote from the source into the cite, as the Google preview seems to not work in the E.U. Regards, – Illegitimate Barrister, 18:56, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the timely response and the slight yet important term change. I will ask her to look around carefully for a few sources about that term, to get a comprehensive view. You wrote Ethnic Academy High School, that is fine by me but she insists this is a mistranslation; minjok sagwan is meant to hark back to past times like the way some gymnasiums (upper secondary academies) in Europe carry names like 'City-name Classical School' or 'City-name Latin School' or 'City-name Institute of Antiquity.' KMLA, I understand, focuses on a traditional Korean arts liberal education. Also, godeung hakgyo means 'high school' not 'academy high school,' which is redundant. 'Academy' never appears in the Korean name. Best wishes and take care. Snowfalcon cu (talk) 19:46, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

@Snowfalcon cu: Sorry for being late, but according to this South Korean newspaper, "Minjok" means Korean race. I changed it back in light of this new source. – Illegitimate Barrister, 09:22, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

@Illegitimate Barrister: who is the author? I don't see who the writer is. Was the author educated in the United States? We remain unconvinced from this English language piece. Best wishes and take care. Snowfalcon cu (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

And, why do you only look for Minjok? As my wife said multiple times, the name is Minjok Sagwan, the combination of the two words alters the meaning. This is the nature of East Asian pictograms.Snowfalcon cu (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I will get around to find some reliable sources, and some Korean ones. Now, take a look at this book chapter by Eum Hoongsoon, pp. 336-337 . Do you see how nuanced his definition of minjok is? And, he does not yet have anything to say when minjok is combined with sagwan, which we are holding off. Snowfalcon cu (talk) 18:38, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

From a KMLA student

Hello, as a current student of KMLA, I believe the expression <literally "race"> and the links that refer to North Korean sources may give the notion that KMLA is founded on extreme nationalism and provides education of that sort (the word 'race' is not one-hundred percent neutral - it has been historically used to mean extremely exclusive parties ). I can assure you that KMLA never educates its students to prioritize the Korean "race" - if there is such a thing. It is rather the opposite.

"Endowed with national pride in heart, and our fatherland's bright future in mind, let us study not for the sake of personal gain, but for the sake of learning itself. Let us not choose a career based on personal advance, but based on talents and aptitude. This is our true happiness, tomorrow's bright fatherland, and a better world for all."

This is our school motto. We are educated to have pride in our nation, study for the sake of learning itself, and work for a better world for all. Not one word here implies that we are a "race" academy. Thus, I hope that the expression "race" and the links to North Korean sites may be deleted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Juyeonkim (talk • contribs) 12:17, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

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