Talk:Kokopelli

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An important purpose for dictionaries and/or encyclopedias is to show the pronunciation of the word that the user has looked up. This is not done here.

How do you pronounce Kokopelli? A person from Colorado told me that it is pronounced Cocoa pelly. Locally there is a jewellery store called "Kokopilau" and it is pronounced Cocoa'pill-law. I have always pronounced Kokopelli as Cocoa'pell-eye.

Who is right, how do the natives pronounce it?

Pronouncing Kokopelli

Locally in Arizona, names ending in the long I sound most often end in "ai". Examples would include the Hualapai & Havasupai tribes and the rivers that are named after them. Names ending in an "I", like Hopi, end with the long E sound.

I am operating under the assumption that Kokopelli has the same intonation pattern as Hav'-a-su'-pie, but it would be good to have some confirmation of this (or a reasonable refutation).

In northern Arizona, an area loaded with kokopelli figures, it is pronounced "cocoa pelli." Carptrash 23:18, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ancient astronaut theories

A User:Iantresman added an ancient astronaut theory linking Kokopelli to paintings from Australia[1]. I don't know whether this has any real provenance or is entirely original (it's bunk either way), but I've made its background explicit. If anyone wants to remove it entirely, I won't object. —E. Underwood 17:55, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me that when the words "might" and "perhaps" are BOTH used in the same sentence that a pretty strong argument can be made that the whole sentence should go. I'll second Underwood's emotion, but am willing to hang in here a bit and allow the original author a chance to rebutt. Carptrash 21:18, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You know, I wouldn't take the theories out, if there was a posted reference to someone publishing this theory of 'ancient astronauts' and comparing the Australian images with Kokopelli. As I understand it, it's Wikipedia's place to report (without much bias) this kind of stuff. If there is a published proof that SOMEONE has theorized this, I thinkw e ought to report the reference. 11:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

well . . .. waiting is fine, but notice that we have been waiting since March for more information and none has come forth. Might just be time for a quick Google and if nothing shows - Nurse, hand me the scalple. Carptrash 17:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Ho-Chunk?

The article as it stands right now asserts that Kokopelli is a figure in Ho-Chunk mythology. That seems rather incongruous, given that the Ho-Chunk are from Wisconsin and not the southwest. I have heard about this particular (penis = boat) trickster figure in Native Wisconsinite tradition, so I don't doubt that part, but I suspect that this is an erroneous conflation of two similar characters. I don't know enough to go editing this article, though, so I'm just leaving this comment. 15:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Migration Legend

If memory serves, isn't one of the legends involving mankind's "migration" to the earth from another place among the Hopi concerned with two creatures petitioning Eagle for permission to bring humanity to earth, with the two creatures playing flutes to heal their wounds...and Eagle calling them Kokopelli? I've heard this several times, but as I am not Hopi, I can't attest to whether it is authentic or just Internet crap-fountain... 04:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

External links

I'm not sure how this goes..but on Sunday I did some minor editing to the kokopelli page. I added 3 or 4 more names that kokopelli has also been known as, plus I added 2 links to info on kokopelli. Today all edits were deleted......is there anyway to find out why?Kokopelli's Kitchen 04:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I deleted the links because it seemed they were to commercial websites. Per Wikipedia:External links, this is permissible only in very specific circumstances. The names seem useful, but they need a source citation per our policy on Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Sorry to spout policy speak at you, but I hope this helps. :) — Amcaja (talk) 05:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Brian: Thanks for the quick response. You're right about the external links - I had forgotten about the Amazon stuff for sale at the bottom of the pages. Regarding the other names that kokopelli was known by, they came from 2 sources. One was a book called Kokopelli, Casanova of the Cliff Dwellers by John V. Young. The other was a website dedicated to kokopelli (I don't know why it just occured to me that this could be listed as a fun link) called Koko Kave at http://kokopelli.melhaven.com/Kokopelli's Kitchen 03:19, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, great. Feel free to put those names in the article. You'll notice that Casanova is already listed as a reference. As for the other source, as a self-published website, it doesn't seem to meet our standards of reliable sources, unfortunately. — Amcaja (talk) 04:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Another two sources

This might be a good source for this article: http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Currents/Content?oid=oid%3A41847

Also, in there is the name of a book tracing Kokopelli's origins and flourishing throughout the southwest as an icon. -- 08:58, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

someone is looking for a citation

but I decided to just move it here for now.

Since Kokopelli is the god of fertility (esp. males), it is highly probable that what he is playing is not a flute, but rather a penis. (citation needed)

The words "highly probably" to me suggests the dreaded original research, and/or opinion. To me this sounds like a post-Freudian analysis and it was Sigmund himself who once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar." Likewise, sometimes blowing a flute is just that. Carptrash (talk) 19:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

dating - AD vs CE

There is a potential edit war starting about how dates should be used, AD or CE. I found a compromise about the subject that stated "BCE/CE for non-Christian religious topics: " which is what we have here. It also helps if the editors involved in this discussion are registered editors. Carptrash (talk) 17:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

or water-loving animals like lizards and insects.

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frogs and insects ??

lizards sound weird in that line as they ar edry land animals and 'love' water about the same as most of the other dry land animals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.137.71 (talk) 11:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)